Obama explains why he keeps voting to fund the war

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    RainDog wrote:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:S433:

    Unfortunately, it died in committee.

    i heard others say he is the only person who ran who had the leadership skills to sway ppl on this issue...i guess not
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Your question is, "Why isn't Barack Obama throwing our soldiers under the bus by cutting off the funding while they are over there?"

    I guess it's morals. They are serving so pricks like you and I don't have to. They got put into a bad situation that they didn't deserve. Why throw them under the bus?


    uhhh....did you even read it!? how will it throw the soldiers under the bus???
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    well you are going on the BIG assumption that the UN will do it.....and be successful at it.

    I really don't think they would do either (go in after us and be successful)

    can we do it??? nearly half of iraq supports attacks against us soldiers!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    chaos?? things have been improving in recent months. you really can't deny the improvements that have taken place. sure its still a war zone and not a safe place, but improvements have taken place.



    so you do want troops in the country, just not american troops. I have no idea what makes u think Iraqis would welcome an armed force such as UN troops. are you Iraqi? I mean really how do you know? judging from the current attitudes of Iraqis, they would see any soldiers not their own as occupiers. US troops, in some areas and circles, have built trust with Iraqis. 5 years they have been working side by side, training, fighting, dying.

    now you think the best thing to do is throw in a group of soldiers who do not know the land, the people, police, army.......anyone...

    I just don't see that as the best option. you clearly want troops there, so why not have the ones who will best do the job?


    80% of iraqis think we don't plan on ever leaving and over 3/4 think we'd refuse to leave if the iraqi government asked us to leave within 6 months...

    also look into the hydrocarbon act that would make iraq 'the only country in the Middle East that does not maintain government control of its own oil industry.' ie; iraq would control 17 out of its 80 oil fields

    http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=65965
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    To get out or not to get out...

    download and watch this...

    http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/3007/Iraq-The-Betrayal-2008-03-17-Ch-4-Dispatches-avi

    The US is now financing Al-qaeda to walk around carrying guns in the streets. Iraq will become one gigantic welfare state financed by the US that will eventually hate the US in the future even more than it does now.

    Generations of people living and dying... the place is still in shambles. Saddam is considered the good old days by comparison.

    Trillions?...yes dozens of those T's...and years as well

    Shock and Awe....yeah...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I think UN forces will be a huge improvement to the situation in Iraq as opposed to a continued occupation of Iraq with US forces in charge...you don't. This thread is about funding the US occupation of Iraq. You seem to think what's best for the Iraqis is for US troops to stay in Iraq...I don't.

    I said nothing about pulling all of the troops out 'today'.

    and you seem to think Iraqis will welcome a different foreign armed force. ok you said nothing about "today", I apologize. when would you like to see troops out?
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Where we go from here, I really don't know. I don't think Iraqis would view UN peacekeeping troops in the same light as US occupying troops....I have no crystal ball...it's just an opinion based on what they US has done in Iraq and what the UN peacekeeping troops do in these kind of situations. They are not the same. They are both foreign....I hear you. But they are not the same in multiple other ways.

    fair enough. and my opinion is based on what Iraiqs have been saying since the beginning. they do not want foreign troops on their soil. It really doesnt matter if they come barring fruit and baskets of candy. they still have guns and will still have to use them if shit hits the fan. and in a war zone, it usually does.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    El_Kabong wrote:
    80% of iraqis think we don't plan on ever leaving and over 3/4 think we'd refuse to leave if the iraqi government asked us to leave within 6 months...

    ok, thats one stat. of course Iraqis are skeptical of us leaving, we're been there 5 long years. not sure of you point here

    did you read any of the stats I posted?

    El_Kabong wrote:
    also look into the hydrocarbon act that would make iraq 'the only country in the Middle East that does not maintain government control of its own oil industry.' ie; iraq would control 17 out of its 80 oil fields

    http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=65965

    this is interesting, I've read about this before.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    El_Kabong wrote:
    can we do it??? nearly half of iraq supports attacks against us soldiers!

    you know why they support attacks on US soldiers? because we are a foreign occupying force......

    which is exactly what the UN army would be.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i heard others say he is the only person who ran who had the leadership skills to sway ppl on this issue...i guess not
    But people are being swayed. Constituents, not politicians, need to be swayed first - then politicians will be put in the position to end it or be voted out (or vice versa, depending on the regional constituency).

    And besides, by your rational, neither Kucinich or Nader has shown the necessary leadership, either. ;)
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RainDog wrote:
    But people are being swayed. Constituents, not politicians, need to be swayed first - then politicians will be put in the position to end it or be voted out (or vice versa, depending on the regional constituency).

    And besides, by your rational, neither Kucinich or Nader has shown the necessary leadership, either. ;)


    Kucinich has tried, bless his heart and remains true to what he says.

    Nader has proven he can get things done and sway people...he has a long list to prove it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMx_UnV-fKM
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    This is just to say

    Mutiny He Cried is about to post here and call someone out over his very narrow interpretation of "Anti-War."
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    RainDog wrote:
    This is just to say

    Mutiny He Cried is about to post here and call someone out over his very narrow interpretation of "Anti-War."

    After all, those Obama supporters think everyone who thought that was an "idiot."
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    digster wrote:
    After all, those Obama supporters think everyone who thought that was an "idiot."
    Hey, yeah. I think I heard something about that. From somewhere....

    Gah, it escapes me.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    You guys can't be serious in saying everyone thought and knew Obama was going to be where he is today on military intervention.

    come on now... It's just not reality.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")

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