Obama explains why he keeps voting to fund the war

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    El_Kabong wrote:


    here is dennis kucinich's plan on leaving iraq, can anyone tell me the flaws in this that these so called progressives will not support?

    H.R. 1234: To end the United States occupation of Iraq immediately
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1234

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1234:


    exactly... it is a PLAN.. not a forced chaotic pullout because funding was cut...now Kucinich needs 65 members of senate to support it... which means getting at least 16 republicans on board...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i think some people need to refocus on the real problem and not a ceratin presidential candidate


    THAT WAS AGAINST THE WAR FROM DAY 1
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    my2hands wrote:
    he said this quite plainly... and i agree to a great extent


    we have to leave as carefully as we recklessly got out... and that he would not cut off funds while 150,000 soldiers are in harms way and force a choatic and sloppy withdraw... and he has voted every time to include a timetable for withdraw...

    the withdraw needs to be planned, not forced... there is a right way and a wrong way to do this... he prefers to do it the right way


    face it folks, you cannot end the war until Bush or McCain are out of there... the president has veto power my friends, and he has used it, and they dont have 65 votes to beat it



    this is the example of repeated brain washing...

    Obama the savior
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and may i ask; what has obama actually done to bring the troops home and oppose this war other than call it a 'dumb war'???

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:S433:

    Unfortunately, it died in committee.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    macgyver06 wrote:
    this is the example of repeated brain washing...

    Obama the savior


    yeah, i am brainwashed :rolleyes:
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    exactly... it is a PLAN.. not a forced chaotic pullout because funding was cut...now Kucinich needs 65 members of senate to support it... which means getting at least 16 republicans on board...

    i wonder why obama isn't pushing for it??? i mean it says it was submitted in 07, didn't it? a little over a year ago....


    so back to my original question;

    why isn't your 'progressive, anti-war' leaders like obama supporting it??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    cornnifer wrote:
    El_Kabong wrote:


    here is dennis kucinich's plan on leaving iraq, can anyone tell me the flaws in this that these so called progressives will not support?

    H.R. 1234: To end the United States occupation of Iraq immediately
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1234

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1234:

    quote]

    My biggest problem with it is its a bit reckless. We have an embassy there. We have diplomats there.



    can you be a bit more specific as to what is reckless?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i wonder why obama isn't pushing for it??? i'll have to check again to see what committees he's on, i think i saw it was submitted to one he was on but not sure....i mean it says it was submitted in 07, didn't it? a little over a year ago....


    so back to my original question;

    why isn't your 'progressive, anti-war' leaders like obama supporting it??

    Your question is, "Why isn't Barack Obama throwing our soldiers under the bus by cutting off the funding while they are over there?"

    I guess it's morals. They are serving so pricks like you and I don't have to. They got put into a bad situation that they didn't deserve. Why throw them under the bus?
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Your question is, "Why isn't Barack Obama throwing our soldiers under the bus by cutting off the funding while they are over there?"

    I guess it's morals. They are serving so pricks like you and I don't have to. They got put into a bad situation that they didn't deserve. Why throw them under the bus?


    There is money to fund a safe withdrawal and get our troops out of harms way. No one is forced to vote for billions more to go towards fighting this bullshit war. No ones hands were tied into giving Bush whatever he asks for and it's disgusting to use the troop's welfare as a rationalization when the longer they stay over there, more and more will continue to die or get their limbs blown off....and let's not even get into how the Iraqs and the fact that they also want us out. The only thing reckless thing I see here, is people justifying keeping our troops over there fighting a pointless war 4 full years after the american public caught on to how purposeless this war actually is and decided they wanted the troops home. Nothing is being accomplished but more death and destruction....5 years of it now! That's enough! There is nothing reckless about Dennis' plan except that it's not what Obama is saying and that he can't get those spineless Dems in DC to stand up along side him and demand an end to this now.

    Fund a safe and proper withdrawal, STOP FUNDING THE WAR, put in UN peacekeeping troops and get the fuck out of there! If Bush and co won't go along get them out of office...this is a democracy not a dictatorship and the people want an end to this.

    It's sad to see people's viewpoints mold to fit a politician's instead of their elected representatives stances molding to fit what their supporters want.

    I could have sworn most of you have been calling for an immediate withdrawal before this whole Obama craze....oh well so long to all that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There is money to fund a safe withdrawal and get our troops out of harms way. No one is forced to vote for billions more to go towards fighting this bullshit war. No ones hands were tied into giving Bush whatever he asks for and it's disgusting to use the troop's welfare as a rationalization when the longer they stay over there, more and more will continue to die or get their limbs blown off....and let's not even get into how the Iraqs and the fact that they also want us out. The only thing reckless thing I see here, is people justifying keeping our troops over there fighting a pointless war 4 full years after the american public caught on to how purposeless this war actually is and decided they wanted the troops home. Nothing is being accomplished but more death and destruction....5 years of it now! That's enough! There is nothing reckless about Dennis' plan except that it's not what Obama is saying and that he can't get those spineless Dems in DC to stand up along side him and demand an end to this now.

    Fund a safe and proper withdrawal, STOP FUNDING THE WAR, put in UN peacekeeping troops and get the fuck out of there! If Bush and co won't go along get them out of office...this is a democracy not a dictatorship and the people want an end to this.

    It's sad to see people's viewpoints mold to fit a politician's instead of their elected representatives stances molding to fit what their supporters want.

    I could have sworn most of you have been calling for an immediate withdrawal before this whole Obama craze....oh well so long to all that.


    Obama wants the troops out just as bad as you and I. He knew he was running for president and a vote like the one funding the troops would kill him against the republicans. You know exactly how they would spin it and so does he. This war will end when Obama becomes president...quickly! It's the right he is duping, he is not worried about you and some other intelligent Americans. There are way more idiots that will fall for the propaganda of the war mongers on the right.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    brandon10 wrote:
    Obama wants the troops out just as bad as you and I. He knew he was running for president and a vote like the one funding the troops would kill him against the republicans. You know exactly how they would spin it and so does he. This war will end when Obama becomes president...quickly! It's the right he is duping, he is not worried about you and some other intelligent Americans. There are way more idiots that will fall for the propaganda of the war mongers on the right.

    Oh...he's duping the republicans!

    Meanwhile, Iraqis and our troops continue to die.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Oh...he's duping the republicans!

    Meanwhile, Iraqis and our troops continue to die.


    Oh ya, I forgot it was Obama's fault that all these people are dying over there?

    Look, he's just trying to become president so that he can put a stop to this shit. Even if he had voted to stop the funding, those troops would still be there today. You know it and so do I.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    brandon10 wrote:
    Oh ya, I forgot it was Obama's fault that all these people are dying over there?

    Look, he's just trying to become president so that he can put a stop to this shit. Even if he had voted to stop the funding, those troops would still be there today. You know it and so do I.


    But at least he wouldn't have been a part of going along with.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Oh...he's duping the republicans!

    Meanwhile, Iraqis and our troops continue to die.

    I've been lurkin around for awhile and thought I'd post......:)

    did you ever think about how many innocent iraqis might die if we pulled all of our troops out today?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I've been lurkin around for awhile and thought I'd post......:)

    did you ever think about how many innocent iraqis might die if we pulled all of our troops out today?


    Less...plus they want us out. People don't like foreign occupiers and usually want control of their country back.

    Oh and welcome to the AMT, no longer a lurker, lazymoon13 :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Less...plus they want us out. People don't like foreign occupiers and usually want control of their country back.

    Oh and welcome to the AMT, no longer a lurker, lazymoon13 :)

    well its just your opinion that less would die. its my opinion that more would. US troops are providing 100% of the security in many areas. take that security away and people will die.

    I saw an ironic stat recently.

    70% of Iraqis oppose our occupation. yet only 30% want us to leave. they dont want us there but they know they need us for a little while longer.

    its hard to argue that progress has been made in recent months. it doesnt make much sense to me that we should throw that all away.


    thanks :) I hope we can keep things civil. I notice people get pretty worked up around here.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    well its just your opinion that less would die. its my opinion that more would. US troops are providing 100% of the security in many areas. take that security away and people will die.

    I saw an ironic stat recently.

    70% of Iraqis oppose our occupation. yet only 30% want us to leave. they dont want us there but they know they need us for a little while longer.

    its hard to argue that progress has been made in recent months. it doesnt make much sense to me that we should throw that all away.


    thanks :) I hope we can keep things civil. I notice people get pretty worked up around here.


    yes, it my opinion less would die if US troops withdrawal and UN peacekeeping troops come in after us to provide security and aid to help further along the rebuilding process.

    Yep, some people feel very strongly about many of the issues we discuss here but for the most pasrt we do keep it civil.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I could have sworn most of you have been calling for an immediate withdrawal before this whole Obama craze....oh well so long to all that.

    i still call for an immediate withdrawl, which can be done if planned for and excecuted properly... neither of which will happen while the president has veto power, which he used... the dems put forward, and voted for withdrawl... the republican president veto'd it and the dems could not get enough republicans or lieberman to cross the aisle...


    folks really need to ease up on thier Obama fixation



    fucking cheney basicly said fuck the people the other day live in an interview... yet some people are now shifting thier glare and blame to the ones voting to end the war and the candidate opposed to it from jump street... it is beginning to feel like bizarro world to me... as if people forgot the fucking reason we are where we are :rolleyes:
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yep, some people feel very strongly about many of the issues we discuss here but for the most pasrt we do keep it civil.

    speak for yourself redneck ;)
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    yes, it my opinion less would die if US troops withdrawal and UN peacekeeping troops come in after us to provide security and aid to help further along the rebuilding process.


    well you are going on the BIG assumption that the UN will do it.....and be successful at it.

    I really don't think they would do either (go in after us and be successful)

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