They are crazy unstable islamic fundamentalists. Who the fuck cares why? They got more oil than god and they need nuclear power? Cmon my three year old can see through that one.
The bottom line is do you think Iran is evil and wants to destroy the world like the pack of savage terrorist dogs they are made out to be, or do you think they are human beings like everyone else and can perhaps co-exist peacefully?
The bottom line is do you think Iran is evil and wants to destroy the world like the pack of savage terrorist dogs they are made out to be, or do you think they are human beings like everyone else and can perhaps co-exist peacefully?
So, do you believe the hype?
you answer my questions with real answers first... and then i will happily and easily answer yours...
1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons
2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
They are crazy unstable islamic fundamentalists. Who the fuck cares why? They got more oil than god and they need nuclear power? Cmon my three year old can see through that one.
So because they have more oil than they can spend they're denied the right to have nuclear energy?
you answer my questions with real answers first... and then i will happily and easily answer yours...
1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons
2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
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3 - If Iran truly has no interest in nuclear weapons why have they repeatedly refused to go under the AIEA regulations and/or recieve technological help and surveillance from Europe and the US?
3 - If Iran truly has no interest in nuclear weapons why have they repeatedly refused to go under the AIEA regulations and/or recieve technological help and surveillance from Europe and the US?
Iran has allowed IAEA inspections several times-- more times than any other country, actually. All these inspections and "regulations" (most of which Iran HAS followed) infringe on Iran's sovereign right. They signed the NPT and have the right to find nuclear energy on their own. They don't need/don't want to be dependent on foreign help for their own nuclear research. They want to do it on their own, and they have every right to do so.
you answer my questions with real answers first... and then i will happily and easily answer yours...
1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons
2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
They might seek to have them if other countries that have them keep on slapping them around.
A nuclear armed anything is bad, however if they are going to have them they will have them with or without the US bombing them, one situation will be amicable, the other will definitely not.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm not claiming you said that. I'm responding to what you said with my own response. However, it certainly does seem that most Obama supporters defend his stance on Iran, and even justify it... how do you feel about his stance on Iran?
You sure like to read into things that are not there.
outlaw, I really like you! Everything you say has this common and realistic sense that I don't see too often. so it it surprises me when people don't often get it!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
They are crazy unstable islamic fundamentalists. Who the fuck cares why? They got more oil than god and they need nuclear power? Cmon my three year old can see through that one.
Who and what gives you the right to deny anyone of anything that hasn't lifted a finger towards you, but rather quite the opposite has happened the other way around?
...and then tell me you're not being a hypocrite afterwards.
...and you just lumped all those people together? Did your brown person alarm go off or something?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
outlaw, I really like you! Everything you say has this common and realistic sense that I don't see too often. so it it surprises me when people don't often get it!
They might seek to have them if other countries that have them keep on slapping them around.
exactly.
If they were to go the route of nuclear arms, which, so far, there has been no proof of, then the only reason they would seek to have it is because the countries WITH nuclear arms right now are also the countries that have shitty foreign policy, and start wars (both political and military).
If the U.S. were to change its foreign policy and start moving towards more peaceful solutions, then maybe diplomatic relations with Iran wouldn't be so tough, and they'd be more open to us.
Some of my favorite, poetic lyrics. Some of the best I have ever read/heard. I think a lot of us have been there before.........
Skyline Pigeon
Turn me loose from your hands
Let me fly to distant lands
Over green fields, trees and mountains
Flowers and forest fountains
Home along the lanes of the skyway
For this dark and lonely room
Projects a shadow cast in gloom
And my eyes are mirrors
Of the world outside
Thinking of the way
That the wind can turn the tide
And these shadows turn
From purple into grey
For just a Skyline Pigeon
Dreaming of the open
Waiting for the day
He can spread his wings
And fly away again
Fly away skyline pigeon fly
Towards the dreams
You've left so very far behind
Just let me wake up in the morning
To the smell of new mown hay
To laugh and cry, to live and die
In the brightness of my day
I want to hear the pealing bells
Of distant churches sing
But most of all please free me
From this aching metal ring
And open out this cage towards the sun
Some of my favorite, poetic lyrics. Some of the best I have ever read/heard. I think a lot of us have been there before.........
Skyline Pigeon
Turn me loose from your hands
Let me fly to distant lands
Over green fields, trees and mountains
Flowers and forest fountains
Home along the lanes of the skyway
For this dark and lonely room
Projects a shadow cast in gloom
And my eyes are mirrors
Of the world outside
Thinking of the way
That the wind can turn the tide
And these shadows turn
From purple into grey
For just a Skyline Pigeon
Dreaming of the open
Waiting for the day
He can spread his wings
And fly away again
Fly away skyline pigeon fly
Towards the dreams
You've left so very far behind
Just let me wake up in the morning
To the smell of new mown hay
To laugh and cry, to live and die
In the brightness of my day
I want to hear the pealing bells
Of distant churches sing
But most of all please free me
From this aching metal ring
And open out this cage towards the sun
Music by Elton John
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
Always my music...muse.... Thank-you.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
They might seek to have them if other countries that have them keep on slapping them around.
that didnt really answer my question... by the way, have we attacked Iran? from what i can tell we/europe/ and the rest of the friggin world just dont want them to develop nuclear weapons, thats all. and now Iran and some far left fringe folks are running around as if Iran is a victim, like htey have been invaded? the last thing this world needs is another nuclear armed country... especially a country controlled by a non democratic religious theocracy located in the middle east.... and NO that doesnt mean you invade them or do it by force pre-emptively, aka the Bush Doctrine... by the way do you know anything about South Africa and their past WMD program? there is nothing wrong with the world intervening and stopping new countries from developing nuclear weapons and spreading the plague farther
A nuclear armed anything is bad,
right
however if they are going to have them they will have them with or without the US bombing them, one situation will be amicable, the other will definitely not.
why jump to the conclusion that america is going to invade Iran? Diplomacy has worked in the past... see, this is the importance of Obama being elected comes into play... he is the candidate actually endorsing negotiations with Iran... as opposed to the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike and non-existent diplomacy
here is a 3rd question... what do you think of ther Israeli Air Strikes on Iraq's Nuclear Reactor? i have no problem with it at all. nort sure how you feel about it but maybe you would be comfortable with a Nuclear armed Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq the last 25 years?
Thanks, I hadn't got around to that one, yet. I had to go pull out my Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player LP and give it a spin on the turntable. Which of course will require a repeat spin...all the way through:D
that didnt really answer my question... by the way, have we attacked Iran? from what i can tell we/europe/ and the rest of the friggin world just dont want them to develop nuclear weapons, thats all. and now Iran and some far left fringe folks are running around as if Iran is a victim, like htey have been invaded? the last thing this world needs is another nuclear armed country... especially a country controlled by a non democratic religious theocracy located in the middle east.... and NO that doesnt mean you invade them or do it by force pre-emptively, aka the Bush Doctrine... by the way do you know anything about South Africa and their past WMD program? there is nothing wrong with the world intervening and stopping new countries from developing nuclear weapons and spreading the plague farther
right why jump to the conclusion that america is going to invade Iran? Diplomacy has worked in the past... see, this is the importance of Obama being elected comes into play... he is the candidate actually endorsing negotiations with Iran... as opposed to the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike and non-existent diplomacy
here is a 3rd question... what do you think of ther Israeli Air Strikes on Iraq's Nuclear Reactor? i have no problem with it at all. nort sure how you feel about it but maybe you would be comfortable with a Nuclear armed Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq the last 25 years?
You should look into US intervention in Iran over the past 50 years, (and realize the people directly affected are very much alive today...and remember).
If you want to maintain empirical hegemony over the resources in this area you drop bombs on them, if you want to recognise them as human beings just like everyone else... you don't.
It's quite simple really.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
They signed the NPT and have the right to find nuclear energy on their own. They don't need/don't want to be dependent on foreign help for their own nuclear research. They want to do it on their own, and they have every right to do so.
I completely agree with this. The help that was "offered" was proposed to Iran in exchange for a complete overview of their nuclear program. Because all in all the real problem is that Iran is not completely honest with their program. That's their right but I also understand if some countries don't trust their government. As another poster said, the last thing this world needs is another country with the capacity to use nuclear bombs.
As another poster said, the last thing this world needs is another country with the capacity to use nuclear bombs.
Or to make more even stronger enemies that are going to hate you even more than they do already, who are most likely going to get them eventually anyways despite (or because) of your "best" efforts...
Looks to me like the tough love approach has backfired for the empire. More of same?
obviously...super size it, with extra fries!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You should look into US intervention in Iran over the past 50 years, (and realize the people directly affected are very much alive today...and remember).
i know all about it... again, have we invaded and laid the country to waste? our meddling with the Iran govt 50 years ago and installing a puppet regime has what to do with them obtaining nuclear weapons? not to mention puppet regimes and colonial control of countries was quite the Zeitgeist of the era and not unusual... that does not excuse it, just sayin
If you want to maintain empirical hegemony over the resources in this area you drop bombs on them, if you want to recognise them as human beings just like everyone else... you don't.
It's quite simple really.
no, as has been shown in the past ther military is not neccesary to divert a country away from nuclear weapons... that does mean you take the stick off the table though, which has been done for centuries befroe you or i arrived on the scene... again, look into Sout Africa, Libya, North Korea.... all have been succesful campaigns to have them abort nuclear programs
and seriously dude, this shit isnt that "simple really"... and if you think it is then how come the State Department isnt banging down your door
So because they have more oil than they can spend they're denied the right to have nuclear energy?
add :
3 - If Iran truly has no interest in nuclear weapons why have they repeatedly refused to go under the AIEA regulations and/or recieve technological help and surveillance from Europe and the US?
Because they have so much fucking oil they dont NEED nuclear power. And if this is just nuclear power why build them underground and surround them with SAM missiles. And why not let anyone inspect? Are you really in that much denial?
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They are crazy unstable islamic fundamentalists. Who the fuck cares why? They got more oil than god and they need nuclear power? Cmon my three year old can see through that one.
Im going with terrorist dog for 500 Alex
you answer my questions with real answers first... and then i will happily and easily answer yours...
1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons
2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
add :
3 - If Iran truly has no interest in nuclear weapons why have they repeatedly refused to go under the AIEA regulations and/or recieve technological help and surveillance from Europe and the US?
Elton, is that you?
Can you play Tiny Dancer and Midnight Creeper for me, please? Thanks.
They might seek to have them if other countries that have them keep on slapping them around.
A nuclear armed anything is bad, however if they are going to have them they will have them with or without the US bombing them, one situation will be amicable, the other will definitely not.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Who and what gives you the right to deny anyone of anything that hasn't lifted a finger towards you, but rather quite the opposite has happened the other way around?
...and then tell me you're not being a hypocrite afterwards.
...and you just lumped all those people together? Did your brown person alarm go off or something?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
thanks for the laugh!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
If they were to go the route of nuclear arms, which, so far, there has been no proof of, then the only reason they would seek to have it is because the countries WITH nuclear arms right now are also the countries that have shitty foreign policy, and start wars (both political and military).
If the U.S. were to change its foreign policy and start moving towards more peaceful solutions, then maybe diplomatic relations with Iran wouldn't be so tough, and they'd be more open to us.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
At this point, I'd like to nod approvingly... perhaps even sagely.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
You're Welcome:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQg0KpV-VU
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road......with a few of Elton's special friends:D ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Ho_6C_fM4&feature=related
Skyline Pigeon.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmytncZlYFc&feature=related
Some of my favorite, poetic lyrics. Some of the best I have ever read/heard. I think a lot of us have been there before.........
Skyline Pigeon
Turn me loose from your hands
Let me fly to distant lands
Over green fields, trees and mountains
Flowers and forest fountains
Home along the lanes of the skyway
For this dark and lonely room
Projects a shadow cast in gloom
And my eyes are mirrors
Of the world outside
Thinking of the way
That the wind can turn the tide
And these shadows turn
From purple into grey
For just a Skyline Pigeon
Dreaming of the open
Waiting for the day
He can spread his wings
And fly away again
Fly away skyline pigeon fly
Towards the dreams
You've left so very far behind
Just let me wake up in the morning
To the smell of new mown hay
To laugh and cry, to live and die
In the brightness of my day
I want to hear the pealing bells
Of distant churches sing
But most of all please free me
From this aching metal ring
And open out this cage towards the sun
Music by Elton John
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
Some vintage Elton John, with some vintage footage.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrKlEtxTx4
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
And I love love LOVE this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSiRSvXBu00
btw, when did this thread turn into 'ode to Elton'??
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
unofficial record holder for the most ridiculous glasses ever to be worn by a gay man...
http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/elton-john.jpg
http://www.musictimes.com.au/images/elton-john-flamboyant.jpg
http://blogs.argusleadermedia.com/uploads/2007/09/elton_john_70s.jpg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
right why jump to the conclusion that america is going to invade Iran? Diplomacy has worked in the past... see, this is the importance of Obama being elected comes into play... he is the candidate actually endorsing negotiations with Iran... as opposed to the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike and non-existent diplomacy
here is a 3rd question... what do you think of ther Israeli Air Strikes on Iraq's Nuclear Reactor? i have no problem with it at all. nort sure how you feel about it but maybe you would be comfortable with a Nuclear armed Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq the last 25 years?
Absolutely! great song!
Thanks, I hadn't got around to that one, yet. I had to go pull out my Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player LP and give it a spin on the turntable. Which of course will require a repeat spin...all the way through:D
Gotta' admit it's a nice change of pace from the usual political debating/bickering:)
You should look into US intervention in Iran over the past 50 years, (and realize the people directly affected are very much alive today...and remember).
If you want to maintain empirical hegemony over the resources in this area you drop bombs on them, if you want to recognise them as human beings just like everyone else... you don't.
It's quite simple really.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Elton wouldn't be Elton without them:D
Someone needs to inform Lou Dobbs of this.
Hail, Hail!!!
Or to make more even stronger enemies that are going to hate you even more than they do already, who are most likely going to get them eventually anyways despite (or because) of your "best" efforts...
Looks to me like the tough love approach has backfired for the empire. More of same?
obviously...super size it, with extra fries!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
no, as has been shown in the past ther military is not neccesary to divert a country away from nuclear weapons... that does mean you take the stick off the table though, which has been done for centuries befroe you or i arrived on the scene... again, look into Sout Africa, Libya, North Korea.... all have been succesful campaigns to have them abort nuclear programs
and seriously dude, this shit isnt that "simple really"... and if you think it is then how come the State Department isnt banging down your door