Why is Iran's nuclear energy program Ilegal...

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    the U.S. isn't "talking" to Iran because Obama suggested it... Obama is still not taking military option off the table, he still called Iran's LEGAL nuclear program "illegal", is pushing for tougher sanctions against them... seriously, what's the difference between his stance and Bush's??

    did I say the US is now talking because of Obama...? perhaps you could take the time to enlighten yourself about Senator Obama's stance...
    _outlaw wrote:
    because Nader's previous actions and speeches give him credibility.

    three words: one-trick-pony
    _outlaw wrote:
    I doubt you seriously listened to what he has to say...

    why, because I'm not supporting him...? perhaps I've listened, but I'm not buying into his anti-corporate stance...

    just because one does not support Nader, it doesn't mean that person has not listened to his stance...perhaps that person just doesn't buy it...have you ever thought of that...?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    People need to snap out of the media bubble and get the historical facts, and really start thinking about situations for themselves instead of what they are told to know on TV.

    exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...

    that's the only true path to enlightenment...

    right...:rolleyes:
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    This isn't about beer so much as it's about starting a war with a country over purposeful untruths...aka conscious lies.

    He called Iran's energy program Illegal, which is progressing the continuance of military aggression towards them which will only lead to additional conflicts.

    I


    You got the beer analogy. Bush has and still maintains a lot of support for invading Iran. Iran presents many important problems for the U.S. and acquiring nuclear weapons through its plants is the least. 1) Iran's oil will outlast the Saudi's. 2) Iran's full conversion to euro dollars would cripple the U.S. dollar. The world economy will no longer support the dollar as its sole oil currency and, 3) Water rights, shipping lanes. Americans don't care about these things one-on-one, to get to the masses, it becomes all about WMD. That is why I used the beer analogy, to make a point.

    Bush and McCain keep pushing Iran as the bad guy, Israel keeps selling it, and the EU claims it is afraid of it. So yes, Iran obtaining nukes is an issue in this campaign. The difference is Senator Obama is willing to talk and McCain simply wants the green light. In light of the new violence in Afghanistan, the question becomes will those in charge see pass Iran.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    did I say the US is now talking because of Obama...? perhaps you could take the time to enlighten yourself about Senator Obama's stance...
    no, you said "in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested"... and enlighten MYSELF about Obama's stance?? I just told you what he wants to do, and that's your response??

    ...
    why, because I'm not supporting him...? perhaps I've listened, but I'm not buying into his anti-corporate stance...
    No, because clearly you don't know anything about him other than what you hear from anti-Nader supporters. all you mention is his anti-corporations stance, but you never mention anything else he says, probably because you never really heard him.
    just because one does not support Nader, it doesn't mean that person has not listened to his stance...perhaps that person just doesn't buy it...have you ever thought of that...?
    buy it? what's he trying to sell?
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...

    that's the only true path to enlightenment...

    right...:rolleyes:
    how about you listen to Obama speak himself? how about you do some research about his past actions?

    and for someone who gets off about "but i never said that!!", Roland never DID say the only true path to enlightenment is through him... ;)
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Who was it that has been using depleted uranium artillery in Iraq and making a whole lot of people (including their own soldiers) sick ....to the point of dying?


    Hmmmmmm......wonder who that would be?:rolleyes:


    It's always interesting when our government blabbers-on, makes accusations and accuses other countries of doing horrible, dangerous things; that our government does all the time.

    But I suppose that has nothing to do with why this administration and this country in general, is percieved so badly by the international community.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    no, you said "in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested"... and enlighten MYSELF about Obama's stance?? I just told you what he wants to do, and that's your response??

    yes...

    _outlaw wrote:
    No, because clearly you don't know anything about him other than what you hear from anti-Nader supporters. all you mention is his anti-corporations stance, but you never mention anything else he says, probably because you never really heard him.

    now you're a fuckin mind reader, too...
    _outlaw wrote:
    buy it? what's he trying to sell?

    saving elephants...?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    _outlaw wrote:
    how about you listen to Obama speak himself? how about you do some research about his past actions?

    and for someone who gets off about "but i never said that!!", Roland never DID say the only true path to enlightenment is through him... ;)

    thanks, boy wonder...
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    inmytree wrote:
    now you're a fuckin mind reader, too...
    that depends on your definition of 'now'...

    ;)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    _outlaw wrote:
    hmm... maybe if you took 10 minutes of your time to hear what Nader has to say, and I mean SERIOUSLY hear what he has to say, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to what his platform really is...


    please take no offense from my question... but i was just wondering, how old are you?

    i am being serious. the reason i ask is you act like Ralph Nader is new to the scene? this is the 3rd presidential election that i have participated in that he is a candidate. i know what he has to say, as do most people in here do.

    seriously good friend, how old are you? is this your first presidential election?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...

    that's the only true path to enlightenment...

    right...:rolleyes:

    That's pretty hilarious to put it politely.

    No....well.... you see you learn about the history of your country (in this case if you live in the US you would learn about say ...US history for example) and then you do some pretty simple filtering called "right and wrong"...."cause and effect"... shoe on the other foot while standing for the same principles regardless of which side you're on....that kind of stuff..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That's pretty hilarious to put it politely.

    No....well.... you see you learn about the history of your country (in this case if you live in the US you would learn about say ...US history for example) and then you do some pretty simple filtering called "right and wrong"...."cause and effect"... shoe on the other foot while standing for the same principles regardless of which side you're on....that kind of stuff..


    so could you enlighten us on some Canadian history?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    so could you enlighten us on some Canadian history?


    What do you want to know?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What do you want to know?

    whatever you would like to share... i saw you mentioning knowing the history of your country so i figure you could share some insight into your country's history

    i really dont know much about Canada except that is is a beautiful country

    whats going on in politics? the economy? marijuana laws? ;)
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    my2hands wrote:
    whatever you would like to share... i saw you mentioning knowing the history of your country so i figure you could share some insight into your country's history

    i really dont know much about Canada except that is is a beautiful country

    whats going on in politics? the economy? marijuana laws? ;)

    Nothing particularly scandalous going on, and pretty mellow and laid back for the most part. Lots of freshwater and wilderness to be found. I'd like to move somewhere warmer so I could grow my own food year round if need be... and maybe a plant or two ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    please take no offense from my question... but i was just wondering, how old are you?

    i am being serious. the reason i ask is you act like Ralph Nader is new to the scene? this is the 3rd presidential election that i have participated in that he is a candidate. i know what he has to say, as do most people in here do.

    seriously good friend, how old are you? is this your first presidential election?
    considering that people ignore his actual stances and just move onto the lame common arguments that he's only anti-corporations kinda shows that some people don't really know much about Ralph Nader.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Why is Iran's nuclear energy program Ilegal?
    ...
    Is it because... they got a lot of Mexicans working on it?
    ...
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    _outlaw wrote:
    considering that people ignore his actual stances and just move onto the lame common arguments that he's only anti-corporations kinda shows that some people don't really know much about Ralph Nader.

    i am 29, and this is my third Presidential Election... not sure how old you were in 2000 but i think most everyone that voted then and in 2004 knows who Nader is and understands his platform

    honestly, is this your first vote in a presidential election? no big deal if it is, i am glad younger people from my generation are getting involved and voting, regardless of who they support. i just think i remember you saying somewhere that you couldnt drink in DC at the EV meetup becasue you were too young to get in the bar? was that you? if it was i am sure we can sneak you in :cool:
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    i am 29, and this is my third Presidential Election... not sure how old you were in 2000 but i think most everyone that voted then and in 2004 knows who Nader is and understands his platform

    honestly, is this your first vote in a presidential election? no big deal if it is, i am glad younger people from my generation are getting involved and voting, regardless of who they support. i just think i remember you saying somewhere that you couldnt drink in DC at the EV meetup becasue you were too young to get in the bar? was that you? if it was i am sure we can sneak you in :cool:
    Lol, don't worry, I think most people on here know I'm 18, but I come from a very politically and socially active family so I've been involved in this stuff from a young age.

    I'm not saying you guys don't understand Nader's platform, I'm saying many people disregard many of his major points and move on to his "anti-corporation stance."

    and yeah, we'll work on that DC meetup :p
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Is it because... they got a lot of Mexicans working on it?
    ...

    You can hide literally anything underneath a Burka these days, perhaps even some Mexicans pretending they are Muslim women just to get work.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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