you didn't answer the questions, but interesting...
I went one step ahead of them, and got to the crux.
That's what it boils down to from what I can see. How many other countries in the world see Iran as being hostile towards them in the future would be another good question in the mix.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
1. Do you believe that Iran truly has no interest in Nuclear weapon capablilties, and are being totally honest about their intentions that they are only in pursuit of nuclear energy and not weapons
2. What do you think about a nuclear armed Iran? good thing, bad thing, or indifferent?
1. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. I don't think it's good for any country to have nukes.
I thought Barak was supposedly different from "every leading politician" so to speak, and this was the main attraction from his avid supporters Vote for a change in policy they say...
I'm just not seeing it.
It's one step forward...one step back.
This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.
This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.
At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.
This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.
At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
This makes no sense. First, no one here is a McCain supporter... second, the whole point is that Obama will bring a new change to many things, including foreign policy... so far, his platform has been the same as Bush's and McCain's... can you disprove that?
"The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
that's fine. that's an entire other debate though. maybe you can answer my question then? how do you feel about obama's stance on Iran? do you agree/disagree? why/why not?
I agree with his stance to talk to them without preconditions...because diplomacy is paramount...in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested...
by the way, I have to ask, how do you know your boy is going to do what he says he's going to do...aren't you taking a chance..? can you predict the future...?
hmm... maybe if you took 10 minutes of your time to hear what Nader has to say, and I mean SERIOUSLY hear what he has to say, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to what his platform really is...
I have taken 10 minutes and more...he's a one trick pony...sadly, you seem unwilling to understand that king ralph may not have much to offer...
"The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]"
I agree with his stance to talk to them without preconditions...because diplomacy is paramount...in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested...
the U.S. isn't "talking" to Iran because Obama suggested it... Obama is still not taking military option off the table, he still called Iran's LEGAL nuclear program "illegal", is pushing for tougher sanctions against them... seriously, what's the difference between his stance and Bush's??
by the way, I have to ask, how do you know your boy is going to do what he says he's going to do...aren't you taking a chance..? can you predict the future...?
because Nader's previous actions and speeches give him credibility.
I have taken 10 minutes and more...he's a one trick pony...sadly, you seem unwilling to understand that king ralph may not have much to offer...
I doubt you seriously listened to what he has to say...
This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.
This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.
At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
This isn't about beer so much as it's about starting a war with a country over purposeful untruths...aka conscious lies.
He called Iran's energy program Illegal, which is progressing the continuance of military aggression towards them which will only lead to additional conflicts.
I
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People need to snap out of the media bubble and get the historical facts, and really start thinking about situations for themselves instead of what they are told to know on TV.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the U.S. isn't "talking" to Iran because Obama suggested it... Obama is still not taking military option off the table, he still called Iran's LEGAL nuclear program "illegal", is pushing for tougher sanctions against them... seriously, what's the difference between his stance and Bush's??
did I say the US is now talking because of Obama...? perhaps you could take the time to enlighten yourself about Senator Obama's stance...
I doubt you seriously listened to what he has to say...
why, because I'm not supporting him...? perhaps I've listened, but I'm not buying into his anti-corporate stance...
just because one does not support Nader, it doesn't mean that person has not listened to his stance...perhaps that person just doesn't buy it...have you ever thought of that...?
People need to snap out of the media bubble and get the historical facts, and really start thinking about situations for themselves instead of what they are told to know on TV.
exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...
This isn't about beer so much as it's about starting a war with a country over purposeful untruths...aka conscious lies.
He called Iran's energy program Illegal, which is progressing the continuance of military aggression towards them which will only lead to additional conflicts.
I
You got the beer analogy. Bush has and still maintains a lot of support for invading Iran. Iran presents many important problems for the U.S. and acquiring nuclear weapons through its plants is the least. 1) Iran's oil will outlast the Saudi's. 2) Iran's full conversion to euro dollars would cripple the U.S. dollar. The world economy will no longer support the dollar as its sole oil currency and, 3) Water rights, shipping lanes. Americans don't care about these things one-on-one, to get to the masses, it becomes all about WMD. That is why I used the beer analogy, to make a point.
Bush and McCain keep pushing Iran as the bad guy, Israel keeps selling it, and the EU claims it is afraid of it. So yes, Iran obtaining nukes is an issue in this campaign. The difference is Senator Obama is willing to talk and McCain simply wants the green light. In light of the new violence in Afghanistan, the question becomes will those in charge see pass Iran.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
did I say the US is now talking because of Obama...? perhaps you could take the time to enlighten yourself about Senator Obama's stance...
no, you said "in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested"... and enlighten MYSELF about Obama's stance?? I just told you what he wants to do, and that's your response??
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why, because I'm not supporting him...? perhaps I've listened, but I'm not buying into his anti-corporate stance...
No, because clearly you don't know anything about him other than what you hear from anti-Nader supporters. all you mention is his anti-corporations stance, but you never mention anything else he says, probably because you never really heard him.
just because one does not support Nader, it doesn't mean that person has not listened to his stance...perhaps that person just doesn't buy it...have you ever thought of that...?
Who was it that has been using depleted uranium artillery in Iraq and making a whole lot of people (including their own soldiers) sick ....to the point of dying?
Hmmmmmm......wonder who that would be?:rolleyes:
It's always interesting when our government blabbers-on, makes accusations and accuses other countries of doing horrible, dangerous things; that our government does all the time.
But I suppose that has nothing to do with why this administration and this country in general, is percieved so badly by the international community.
no, you said "in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested"... and enlighten MYSELF about Obama's stance?? I just told you what he wants to do, and that's your response??
No, because clearly you don't know anything about him other than what you hear from anti-Nader supporters. all you mention is his anti-corporations stance, but you never mention anything else he says, probably because you never really heard him.
hmm... maybe if you took 10 minutes of your time to hear what Nader has to say, and I mean SERIOUSLY hear what he has to say, you'd be a bit more enlightened as to what his platform really is...
please take no offense from my question... but i was just wondering, how old are you?
i am being serious. the reason i ask is you act like Ralph Nader is new to the scene? this is the 3rd presidential election that i have participated in that he is a candidate. i know what he has to say, as do most people in here do.
seriously good friend, how old are you? is this your first presidential election?
exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...
that's the only true path to enlightenment...
right...:rolleyes:
That's pretty hilarious to put it politely.
No....well.... you see you learn about the history of your country (in this case if you live in the US you would learn about say ...US history for example) and then you do some pretty simple filtering called "right and wrong"...."cause and effect"... shoe on the other foot while standing for the same principles regardless of which side you're on....that kind of stuff..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No....well.... you see you learn about the history of your country (in this case if you live in the US you would learn about say ...US history for example) and then you do some pretty simple filtering called "right and wrong"...."cause and effect"... shoe on the other foot while standing for the same principles regardless of which side you're on....that kind of stuff..
so could you enlighten us on some Canadian history?
so could you enlighten us on some Canadian history?
What do you want to know?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
whatever you would like to share... i saw you mentioning knowing the history of your country so i figure you could share some insight into your country's history
i really dont know much about Canada except that is is a beautiful country
whats going on in politics? the economy? marijuana laws?
whatever you would like to share... i saw you mentioning knowing the history of your country so i figure you could share some insight into your country's history
i really dont know much about Canada except that is is a beautiful country
whats going on in politics? the economy? marijuana laws?
Nothing particularly scandalous going on, and pretty mellow and laid back for the most part. Lots of freshwater and wilderness to be found. I'd like to move somewhere warmer so I could grow my own food year round if need be... and maybe a plant or two
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
please take no offense from my question... but i was just wondering, how old are you?
i am being serious. the reason i ask is you act like Ralph Nader is new to the scene? this is the 3rd presidential election that i have participated in that he is a candidate. i know what he has to say, as do most people in here do.
seriously good friend, how old are you? is this your first presidential election?
considering that people ignore his actual stances and just move onto the lame common arguments that he's only anti-corporations kinda shows that some people don't really know much about Ralph Nader.
considering that people ignore his actual stances and just move onto the lame common arguments that he's only anti-corporations kinda shows that some people don't really know much about Ralph Nader.
i am 29, and this is my third Presidential Election... not sure how old you were in 2000 but i think most everyone that voted then and in 2004 knows who Nader is and understands his platform
honestly, is this your first vote in a presidential election? no big deal if it is, i am glad younger people from my generation are getting involved and voting, regardless of who they support. i just think i remember you saying somewhere that you couldnt drink in DC at the EV meetup becasue you were too young to get in the bar? was that you? if it was i am sure we can sneak you in :cool:
i am 29, and this is my third Presidential Election... not sure how old you were in 2000 but i think most everyone that voted then and in 2004 knows who Nader is and understands his platform
honestly, is this your first vote in a presidential election? no big deal if it is, i am glad younger people from my generation are getting involved and voting, regardless of who they support. i just think i remember you saying somewhere that you couldnt drink in DC at the EV meetup becasue you were too young to get in the bar? was that you? if it was i am sure we can sneak you in :cool:
Lol, don't worry, I think most people on here know I'm 18, but I come from a very politically and socially active family so I've been involved in this stuff from a young age.
I'm not saying you guys don't understand Nader's platform, I'm saying many people disregard many of his major points and move on to his "anti-corporation stance."
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Is it because... they got a lot of Mexicans working on it?
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You can hide literally anything underneath a Burka these days, perhaps even some Mexicans pretending they are Muslim women just to get work.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I went one step ahead of them, and got to the crux.
That's what it boils down to from what I can see. How many other countries in the world see Iran as being hostile towards them in the future would be another good question in the mix.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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2. I don't think it's good for any country to have nukes.
This is so pathetic. Its like saying just because McCain likes beer, Obama has to hate beer or he doesn't stand for change. Somehow, they both can't like beer.
This is just as dumb as the ad blaming Senator Obama for high prices in gas.
At least Karl was cleaver, whomever is doing McCain's negative ads, suck bigtime. McCain supporters really stretch the bar to try and make people fall for this stupid shit.
"The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I agree with his stance to talk to them without preconditions...because diplomacy is paramount...in fact, Iran and the US are sitting and talking now...just like Obama suggested...
by the way, I have to ask, how do you know your boy is going to do what he says he's going to do...aren't you taking a chance..? can you predict the future...?
I have taken 10 minutes and more...he's a one trick pony...sadly, you seem unwilling to understand that king ralph may not have much to offer...
thanks...
because Nader's previous actions and speeches give him credibility.
I doubt you seriously listened to what he has to say...
anytime
This isn't about beer so much as it's about starting a war with a country over purposeful untruths...aka conscious lies.
He called Iran's energy program Illegal, which is progressing the continuance of military aggression towards them which will only lead to additional conflicts.
I
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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did I say the US is now talking because of Obama...? perhaps you could take the time to enlighten yourself about Senator Obama's stance...
three words: one-trick-pony
why, because I'm not supporting him...? perhaps I've listened, but I'm not buying into his anti-corporate stance...
just because one does not support Nader, it doesn't mean that person has not listened to his stance...perhaps that person just doesn't buy it...have you ever thought of that...?
exactly...we should just listen to you and your youtube links...
that's the only true path to enlightenment...
right...:rolleyes:
You got the beer analogy. Bush has and still maintains a lot of support for invading Iran. Iran presents many important problems for the U.S. and acquiring nuclear weapons through its plants is the least. 1) Iran's oil will outlast the Saudi's. 2) Iran's full conversion to euro dollars would cripple the U.S. dollar. The world economy will no longer support the dollar as its sole oil currency and, 3) Water rights, shipping lanes. Americans don't care about these things one-on-one, to get to the masses, it becomes all about WMD. That is why I used the beer analogy, to make a point.
Bush and McCain keep pushing Iran as the bad guy, Israel keeps selling it, and the EU claims it is afraid of it. So yes, Iran obtaining nukes is an issue in this campaign. The difference is Senator Obama is willing to talk and McCain simply wants the green light. In light of the new violence in Afghanistan, the question becomes will those in charge see pass Iran.
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No, because clearly you don't know anything about him other than what you hear from anti-Nader supporters. all you mention is his anti-corporations stance, but you never mention anything else he says, probably because you never really heard him.
buy it? what's he trying to sell?
and for someone who gets off about "but i never said that!!", Roland never DID say the only true path to enlightenment is through him...
Hmmmmmm......wonder who that would be?:rolleyes:
It's always interesting when our government blabbers-on, makes accusations and accuses other countries of doing horrible, dangerous things; that our government does all the time.
But I suppose that has nothing to do with why this administration and this country in general, is percieved so badly by the international community.
yes...
now you're a fuckin mind reader, too...
saving elephants...?
thanks, boy wonder...
please take no offense from my question... but i was just wondering, how old are you?
i am being serious. the reason i ask is you act like Ralph Nader is new to the scene? this is the 3rd presidential election that i have participated in that he is a candidate. i know what he has to say, as do most people in here do.
seriously good friend, how old are you? is this your first presidential election?
That's pretty hilarious to put it politely.
No....well.... you see you learn about the history of your country (in this case if you live in the US you would learn about say ...US history for example) and then you do some pretty simple filtering called "right and wrong"...."cause and effect"... shoe on the other foot while standing for the same principles regardless of which side you're on....that kind of stuff..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so could you enlighten us on some Canadian history?
What do you want to know?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
whatever you would like to share... i saw you mentioning knowing the history of your country so i figure you could share some insight into your country's history
i really dont know much about Canada except that is is a beautiful country
whats going on in politics? the economy? marijuana laws?
Nothing particularly scandalous going on, and pretty mellow and laid back for the most part. Lots of freshwater and wilderness to be found. I'd like to move somewhere warmer so I could grow my own food year round if need be... and maybe a plant or two
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Is it because... they got a lot of Mexicans working on it?
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Hail, Hail!!!
i am 29, and this is my third Presidential Election... not sure how old you were in 2000 but i think most everyone that voted then and in 2004 knows who Nader is and understands his platform
honestly, is this your first vote in a presidential election? no big deal if it is, i am glad younger people from my generation are getting involved and voting, regardless of who they support. i just think i remember you saying somewhere that you couldnt drink in DC at the EV meetup becasue you were too young to get in the bar? was that you? if it was i am sure we can sneak you in :cool:
I'm not saying you guys don't understand Nader's platform, I'm saying many people disregard many of his major points and move on to his "anti-corporation stance."
and yeah, we'll work on that DC meetup
You can hide literally anything underneath a Burka these days, perhaps even some Mexicans pretending they are Muslim women just to get work.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")