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RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
Providing you believe in heaven, what is your take on whether or not our pets and animals go to heaven?

If they do, would that mean animals have a soul? Could heaven be heaven without animals? How about insects? What is the cutoff for entry into heaven?

I've asked a few religious people this before. Just wondering what you all think?
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Ask anyone who has lost a beloved pet and they will tell you that they went to heaven.

    I don't even believe in people heaven, but when my old dog died I was convinced that he would go to doggie heaven and run freely in the open meadow chasing rabbits :)
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Providing you believe in heaven, what is your take on whether or not our pets and animals go to heaven?

    If they do, would that mean animals have a soul? Could heaven be heaven without animals? How about insects? What is the cutoff for entry into heaven?

    I've asked a few religious people this before. Just wondering what you all think?
    No idea. Doesn't really rank very high on my list of things to ponder. Hopefully I'll get to know when I die, until then it's not a pressing concern.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    no clue. There could be animals in heaven.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    if they do then wasps will be in Hell.. wasps are evil fuckers of an animal!!

    and pigeons... i want them all to die
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Bwalker545Bwalker545 Posts: 162
    I think heaven will be a lot like earth, so ya other animals will be around...I also think heaven will be some sort of manifestation of what you want it to be, what makes you happy, so I would imagine you favorite animals will be around.
    Oh and as far as I know...I am an animal...so Yes.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I'm not sure I believe in "heaven".

    I HOPE there is one... but questions like this spark the logic in me to kick in.


    Here's a fictional dialog which hopefully will spark some thoughts:


    Assuming one believes in evolution - We are extremely intelligent monkeys. Tremendously intelligent, but still animals, none the less.

    So if WE go to "heaven" then surely monkeys go to "heaven".

    But what about those small little monkeys? ...well, sure. they're just smaller, right?

    What about birds? ...maybe? ...no? Well, they're not that smart, so no.

    Then what about parrots? I have a parrot - and many parrots have the intellect of 2 year old children. You can ask some parrots "which color block is bigger" and they'll answer "green" or "red" or which ever is bigger, understanding and communicating with the same intellect as a child.

    ...well ok, but not pigeons.

    Why not?

    Because they're not smart enough...? ok... well...

    What about infants who die after 3 weeks? They're certainly not at intelligent at a pigeon at that age.



    I think one can make the case for any animal to be included or excluded from "heaven".

    I'd say it's either all or nothing. And frankly, I'm not sure there is a heaven we're going to. Scary thought, but none the less, it's all kinda imaginary.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    blackredyellow wrote:
    but when my old dog died I was convinced that he would go to doggie heaven and run freely in the open meadow chasing rabbits :)
    so doggy heaven is rabbit hell?
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    dunkman wrote:
    if they do then wasps will be in Hell.. wasps are evil fuckers of an animal!!

    and pigeons... i want them all to die

    I just buried a collar dove in the back garden, a few minutes ago!

    Can you spot the difference between a wood pigeon and a collar dove?

    The wood pigeon sounds like he's saying, "You greeeeat beeeeeeeg ... fuckwit! You greeeeeeeeat beeeeeeeeg .... fuckwit!"

    The collar dove sounds like he's saying, "You baaaaaaastard! You baaaaaaastard!"

    ;)
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Providing you believe in heaven, what is your take on whether or not our pets and animals go to heaven?

    If they do, would that mean animals have a soul? Could heaven be heaven without animals? How about insects? What is the cutoff for entry into heaven?

    I've asked a few religious people this before. Just wondering what you all think?

    humans are animals. but we are different. in the entire animal kingdom all animals are basically the same. food; reproduction; and protection are their basic instincts. same for us; but we go a step further.
    if you can imagine your mind being allowed to roam freely; that is heaven. what use would you have for a dog there?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Which part of the mind goes to heaven?

    The part that says "Chocolate cake!" "Sex!" and so on, or the part that says "You will get fat!" or is it the part that says "Pick your nose" and "Scratch your head"? or maybe it's that part that says "Something is poking you in the foot!"

    That's what I'd like to know. Anyone can tell that consciousness and experience are segmented in the qualia. Anyone who's ever had a bout of cognitive dissonance, or had the urge to do something while simultaneously had the urge to do something completely different.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Which part of the mind goes to heaven?

    The part that says "Chocolate cake!" "Sex!" and so on, or the part that says "You will get fat!" or is it the part that says "Pick your nose" and "Scratch your head"? or maybe it's that part that says "Something is poking you in the foot!"

    That's what I'd like to know. Anyone can tell that consciousness and experience are segmented in the qualia. Anyone who's ever had a bout of cognitive dissonance, or had the urge to do something while simultaneously had the urge to do something completely different.
    There's a world outside your windows. Step off the porch and start to experience it. I think it's time for a new paradigm.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    There's a world outside your windows. Step off the porch and start to experience it. I think it's time for a new paradigm.

    I experience life all the time. I just take some time apart to ponder life itself.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    dunkman wrote:
    if they do then wasps will be in Hell.. wasps are evil fuckers of an animal!!

    and pigeons... i want them all to die

    I wonder when they made the choice to be wasps.

    Doesn't the whole heaven/hell thing depend on Free-will?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    I just buried a collar dove in the back garden, a few minutes ago!

    Can you spot the difference between a wood pigeon and a collar dove?

    The wood pigeon sounds like he's saying, "You greeeeat beeeeeeeg ... fuckwit! You greeeeeeeeat beeeeeeeeg .... fuckwit!"

    The collar dove sounds like he's saying, "You baaaaaaastard! You baaaaaaastard!"

    ;)

    This totally played up my head and I liked it....lol

    The past 3 days at 6am I've had this horny pigeon outside my window going nuts. I'm seriously considering sending it to the other side.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    So do animals have a soul then? Can you be saved and ascend if you don't have a soul?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I experience life all the time. I just take some time apart to ponder life itself.
    No, you take time apart to ponder the very limited part of life that science can explain and then act as if the larger part of life doesn't matter or exist because science cannot find a way to measure it.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Here's the REAL question:


    The year is 2177.

    You're flying around on your hover bike.

    You're in a horrible accident.

    Your legs, torso and arms are ripped off.

    Luckily - the gorilla at the zoo passed away 20 minutes before.

    The doctors, out of cadavers, attach your head to the body of a gorilla.


    If animals don't go to heaven, do you go to heaven, since you are now mostly gorilla?





    Also -

    If you're born with a severe mental handicap and die at the age of 3, do you go to heaven? If yes, are you still handicapped? And are you still 3? And do you still age? If you do age, can you die?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    No, you take time apart to ponder the very limited part of life that science can explain and then act as if the larger part of life doesn't matter or exist because science cannot find a way to measure it.

    What is the "larger part of life" that you are referring to?

    I think you are just excusing your total ignorance on the topic by claiming that there are things "beyond" the realm of science or the subjects that I ponder. The reality is, I ponder everything from souls and cosmic consciousness down to the significance of a pebble. But I do it in a critically analytical way. You apparently just make shit up, and whatever is comforting to you.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Here's the REAL question:


    The year is 2177.

    You're flying around on your hover bike.

    You're in a horrible accident.

    Your legs, torso and arms are ripped off.

    Luckily - the gorilla at the zoo passed away 20 minutes before.

    The doctors, out of cadavers, attach your head to the body of a gorilla.


    If animals don't go to heaven, do you go to heaven, since you are now mostly gorilla?





    Also -

    If you're born with a severe mental handicap and die at the age of 3, do you go to heaven? If yes, are you still handicapped? And are you still 3? And do you still age? If you do age, can you die?
    ...
    I think you want the Ape/Man thing to go to Heaven... because, come on... who's going to fuck with GorillaMan?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    And like WTF mate? You didn't come up with the concept of heaven! You just ate the shit that was fed to you.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Which part of the mind goes to heaven?

    The part that says "Chocolate cake!" "Sex!" and so on, or the part that says "You will get fat!" or is it the part that says "Pick your nose" and "Scratch your head"? or maybe it's that part that says "Something is poking you in the foot!"

    That's what I'd like to know. Anyone can tell that consciousness and experience are segmented in the qualia. Anyone who's ever had a bout of cognitive dissonance, or had the urge to do something while simultaneously had the urge to do something completely different.

    if you no longer eat; why would you think of chocolate cake? if you no longer have a body; why think of sex? if you don't have a foot; how can something be poking it?

    there are things you don't know and i'm not here to educate you. you will know when you've arrived.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I think you want the Ape/Man thing to go to Heaven... because, come on... who's going to fuck with GorillaMan?

    ...I think we've forgotten something.

    Do Sasquach go to heaven? Big feet = Big hearts
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you no longer eat; why would you think of chocolate cake? if you no longer have a body; why think of sex? if you don't have a foot; how can something be poking it?

    there are things you don't know and i'm not here to educate you. you will know when you've arrived.

    Then there is absolutely no purpose for the mind at all.

    I think you've just proven that there is no heaven.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    onelongsong wrote:
    you will know when you've arrived.

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    According to this research, the Bible is silent regarding an afterlife for animals.

    http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.shtml

    No animals in heaven? I think I would be miserable without the presence of animals.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    According to this research, the Bible is silent regarding an afterlife for animals.

    http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.shtml

    No animals in heaven? I think I would be miserable without the presence of animals.


    Matthew chapter 7, verses 13 and 14 (Mat 7:13,14) for one example. Therefore, it is critical that we remind everyone that they need to get right with God themselves or their chances of seeing a departed pet again are zero.


    LOL!!

    Be a good god-fearing man, or you'll never see fluffy again! Mwaa hahaha!!
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Here's another take: Animals must have a soul. God doesn't create something only to throw it away.


    edit also:
    "According to the Bible, there will be no animals in heaven except for horses. And those horses, the book of Revelation tells us, will be used solely as a means of transportation. Scripture tells us that horses will sprout wings and be able to fly at high speeds. "

    omg this has to be a joke:
    http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0106/petsinheaven.html
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Yea animals have a soul
    every form of life has a soul.

    All life is equal.

    Can water the animals, plants, insects,
    and I drink have a soul for a would
    be heaven or hell?

    What is heaven or hell?
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Here's another take

    Animals must have a soul. God doesn't create something only to throw it away.

    What about sharks? Humans cut off their dorcal fin just to throw the shark into the water to bleed to death, or be killed, or just die on its own.

    We throw them away. And if humans were made in "god's image"...
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Don't fear the reaper
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