Kids getting fingerprinted every day at schools now? wtf?

Juberoo

Drowned Out wrote:

we are living the orwellian nightmare more than most would like to accept.

I don't understand the justification for the fingerprinting....
edit: oh, here it is - "Tony Blair has said he wants all youngsters monitored for signs of criminality." well that makes perfect snese....WTF is going on, and why is the UK always on the forefront of this big brother shit?

how these policies continue to be unrolled is pretty interesting to watch...

What people don't understand is that this is ONE fingerprint...usually the thumb. Not an entire set. Also, you have confidentiality laws that protect this ONE fingerprint from being disclosed in any way.

As for monitoring criminal activity...if your kids are raised right and aren't engaging in anything unlawful, why are you worried?

Drowned Out

onelongsong wrote:

it is not illegal to disapear. it is illegal to insert a microchip into a person without their permission. it's unconstitutional.

your constitution is far from set in stone these days.

onelongsong wrote:

now; as to feasability. who is going to track 330 million people?

Wal-Mart can track any purchase made at any of their stores world wide...I'm sure they have a database of way over 330 million purchases. I don't personally worry about being tracked on a daily basis. I worry about the possibility that in the future, if the time every came to rebel against a government that had become to powerful, they would be able to crush dissent instantly. Call me crazy, but isn't one of the main reasons for needing the constitution to protect the people from their own government?

onelongsong wrote:

the idea is crazy at best. are you saying that although the government needs a court order to tap a criminals phone; tracking with microchips is even remotely possible?

correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't there a bit of an issue with phone tapping happening in the here and now?

Drowned Out

Juberoo wrote:

What people don't understand is that this is ONE fingerprint...usually the thumb. Not an entire set. Also, you have confidentiality laws that protect this ONE fingerprint from being disclosed in any way.

As for monitoring criminal activity...if your kids are raised right and aren't engaging in anything unlawful, why are you worried?

what YOU don't understand is that this is a symptom, not the disease.

confidentiality laws are constantly under attack, and databases are frequently compromised.
That's why I'm worried.

onelongsong

Juberoo wrote:

What people don't understand is that this is ONE fingerprint...usually the thumb. Not an entire set. Also, you have confidentiality laws that protect this ONE fingerprint from being disclosed in any way.

As for monitoring criminal activity...if your kids are raised right and aren't engaging in anything unlawful, why are you worried?

if my kid committs a crime i'll turn him in myself. i have no tolerance for criminals. if fingerprinting will catch future criminals i back it even more.

onelongsong

Drowned Out wrote:

your constitution is far from set in stone these days.

Wal-Mart can track any purchase made at any of their stores world wide...I'm sure they have a database of way over 330 million purchases. I don't personally worry about being tracked on a daily basis. I worry about the possibility that in the future, if the time every came to rebel against a government that had become to powerful, they would be able to crush dissent instantly. Call me crazy, but isn't one of the main reasons for needing the constitution to protect the people from their own government?



correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't there a bit of an issue with phone tapping happening in the here and now?

the revolution will begin when they want to start implanting microchips; or try to take our guns away.

Drowned Out

onelongsong wrote:

the revolution will begin when they want to start implanting microchips; or try to take our guns away.

I wish I could believe that. I think people will be asking for the chips by the time it becomes reality....and this fingerprinting is part of the conditioning.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

onelongsong wrote:

my kids school fingerprinted the kids and gave the cards back to us. all done in our presence. it was done after a child was snatched back in the mid 80's. i had no problem with it but a paranoid neighbour freaked out over it. we have over 12 million people in this country illegally yet this bloke thought the government was going to track his kid. cities now have cameras everywhere. i can check adot cameras to check traffic and when on holiday; i can check on my [former] house online. you can't walk into a store without being videotaped so why worry about fingerprints? paranoid people need something to be paranoid about. cameras have been around long enough so now it's microchips and bar code tattoos they latch onto. it's amazing these people ever leave their homes.
or maybe their homes are being watched too. OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH

Video tape can't be easily compiled into a database to create user profiles.

Also, people often apply any obscure (rare) examples and use it as primary justification to get people to agree. Unfortunately, in this case, the reasoning is just that, obscure, and with little justification.

onelongsong

Drowned Out wrote:

I wish I could believe that. I think people will be asking for the chips by the time it becomes reality....and this fingerprinting is part of the conditioning.

i forgot to add that walmart can only track which store an item was purchased at. they cannot track who bought it or where it is at any point in time.

Drowned Out

onelongsong wrote:

i forgot to add that walmart can only track which store an item was purchased at. they cannot track who bought it or where it is at any point in time.

I could be wrong, but I thought I read that the technology is already in place to track a Wal-Mart product with an RFID chip that passes by any chip sensor...there just aren't sensors outside the stores.
We could probably throw a "yet" or two into your post as computer and chip technology continue to develop.

gue_barium

Not to throw this debate completely off-track, but...earlier today I went to the store to get a new SanDisc for my camera and found that they come in the 1 GB size now. I had no idea. Joy, joy. Not only that, but it was on sale for $15.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

I guess a pertinent fact overlooked in this debate so far is the cost of these systems. To my way of thinking, they are unneccesary crap, and I'm 100% certain they are sold to the schools under the premise, at least in part, that it is for "security" reasons.

Q: Was that camera post aimed at bringing attention back to this post?
A: Maybe, subconsciously, probably. The thievery continues.
Q: What do you mean?
A: 9/11..."the day the world changed." It's a market onto itself. "Security, security, security."

Juberoo

Drowned Out wrote:

what YOU don't understand is that this is a symptom, not the disease.

confidentiality laws are constantly under attack, and databases are frequently compromised.
That's why I'm worried.

do you use a credit card?
do you have a social security number?
do you drive a car?

You are already in the system.....this is just the evolution to the new technology. Not a big deal. If you remember, people were at one time afraid of photographs, telephones, movie cameras and debit cards...etc......

Juberoo

onelongsong wrote:

the revolution will begin when they want to start implanting microchips; or try to take our guns away.

lol I don't own a gun....so it wont bother me one bit.

Juberoo

are you aware that if you own a cell phone your every move is tracked via a satellite homing device? Do you realize that unless it is without a battery, "they" can listen to what is going on in your home, office, car etc.?

Again, if you aren't doing anything wrong....why are you so bothered?

gue_barium

Juberoo wrote:

do you use a credit card?
do you have a social security number?
do you drive a car?

You are already in the system.....this is just the evolution to the new technology. Not a big deal. If you remember, people were at one time afraid of photographs, telephones, movie cameras and debit cards...etc......

But why is it necessary? Where is the benefit? Who is the beneficiary? Communicatons is a great thing, but if it controlled by the few, is it even communications anymore?

Juberoo

gue_barium wrote:

But why is it necessary? Where is the benefit? Who is the beneficiary? Communicatons is a great thing, but if it controlled by the few, is it even communications anymore?

It is necessary because it is "new and improved" means of keeping records. This way the kids don't have to remember pin numbers, or lose library cards or forget their llunch money. It just makes the whole process easier for both administration, parents and children.
Not a big deal. It is ONE finger. No different than the shcool ID cards we all used to have except it never has to be changed.

Juberoo

Many high tech companies are even using biogenetics for security purposes. A friend of ours works for a company that uses thumb prints to get past the gate. It eliminates the need for a security guard to let you in or the worry of misplaced or lost or forgotten entrance cards or pins.

Its modern technology...it isn't a conspiracy.

Juberoo

Anyone who works in childcare or teaching is fingerprinted now days. Should all these people protest because their identity is being misused? It's no different.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Juberoo wrote:

are you aware that if you own a cell phone your every move is tracked via a satellite homing device? Do you realize that unless it is without a battery, "they" can listen to what is going on in your home, office, car etc.?

Again, if you aren't doing anything wrong....why are you so bothered?

yeah, so let's go after the kids now.... a little more can't hurt.

listen to yourself...

ben over again and again until you are nothing.

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

yeah, so let's go after the kids now.... a little more can't hurt.

listen to yourself...

ben over again and again until you are nothing.

and exactly what is it "they" are doing to us?