I think even if you disagree about supporting Obama or McCain, we can all agree on is that these news channels suck.
I certainly do. I was just illustrating how bad all the networks were doing...
It's really sad. We're got the first amendment, and not a single network with the balls to make anything of it, nor a public demanding that they at least pretend to.
i take back the William Ayers comment. i'd have rather seen the Kool-Aid Man crash thru the wall. it seemed like everyone there was drinking the Kool-Aid anyway.
i take back the William Ayers comment. i'd have rather seen the Kool-Aid Man crash thru the wall. it seemed like everyone there was drinking the Kool-Aid anyway.
if that was the case it should of been over a hell of a lot earlier!
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I will say, however, that I am surprised even FoxNews is kind of wondering what the fuck just happened, how McCain managed to do nothing to help his own cause.
That has to be pretty damning news for the Republican party, especially since O'Reilly was really hammering on how McCain needed to really step it up tonight.
(I watch stuff from all over the spectrum. They all suck, but I like to get different kinds of suck in my educational diet, I suppose. Also read BBC's site. Kind of strange that the best domestic coverage is provided by BBC, in my opinion.)
I know, USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Loas, Cuba.......great examples of quality of life. Even Europe's governments aren't 100% socialist. I'm sorry, I don't want to pay for your doctor. I don't want to pay for anyones bills but mine, I have that right. If People are not going to evenly contribute to the pot, then why do I have to work harder for someone else to enjoy my tax money more then they already are?
I will say, however, that I am surprised even FoxNews is kind of wondering what the fuck just happened, how McCain managed to do nothing to help his own cause.
That has to be pretty damning news for the Republican party, especially since O'Reilly was really hammering on how McCain needed to really step it up tonight.
(I watch stuff from all over the spectrum. They all suck, but I like to get different kinds of suck in my educational diet, I suppose. Also read BBC's site. Kind of strange that the best domestic coverage is provided by BBC, in my opinion.)
yeah, Fox is indeed stunned ... about his $300b house buyback plan while he's "freezing spending" ... at some point, I wonder if Fox may cut and run from McCain, calling him too liberal.
Of couse, the second sentence out of Sean Hannity's mouth was "Ayers" and "air raiding villigers" ....
man, it may APPEAR to the public that Obama actually won this debate ...
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yeah, Fox is indeed stunned ... about his $300b house buyback plan while he's "freezing spending" ... at some point, I wonder if Fox may cut and run from McCain, calling him too liberal.
Of couse, the second sentence out of Sean Hannity's mouth was "Ayers" and "air raiding villigers" ....
man, it may APPEAR to the public that Obama actually won this debate ...
I noticed as soon as it switched over to Hannity, they were discussing things which have been made key to the McCain campaign without recognizing the fact that they didn't come up once tonight (specifically: Ayers).
Regardless of bias, how does one ignore that and not at least say, "hey, um, what the fuck, John? You sort of disappeared on that one..."
Fox's typical reaction non-withstanding (which tends to be 'let's support the republicans no matter what'), it has been the most interesting news cast to me so far. I think it's very telling about the state of McCain's campaign and the trouble it may find itself in.
EDIT: Of course, the Fox viewers still called it 86 to 12 in favor of McCain. Then again, I have my own questions for any network about the people who actually send in text messages to news stations about this shit. When did this turn into American Fucking Idol? Like the election is some sort of 'reality tv' program...
EDIT 2: MSNBC has pretty much the same numbers...in the other direction. There's no way either candidate did well enough to convince eighty-five percent of anyone that they should clearly and without question be President based on that debate. McCain did nothing but alienate the base with his $300B buy-out-loans plan, while, on the other hand, Obama did nothing at all.
did you notice- that McCain still did not look at Obama.
He did look at the people who asked the questions...
Again, that level of respect is not there. On another thread, it was said that these people have to work together after the elections.
It looks like things will be same old same once the elections are over- the separation of the parties, and no communication, and no forward movement for this government.
If you want this debate to be more meaningful and get some real answers out of these two, then we need third and fourth parties involved. I would love to see how this debate would turn out with a Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader involved. Especially Dennis K!
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If you want this debate to be more meaningful and get some real answers out of these two, then we need third and fourth parties involved. I would love to see how this debate would turn out with a Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader involved. Especially Dennis K!
Now THAT would be a debate I'd like to see especialy with Dennis Kucinich.
Get out of town FN has it like that. Amazing, the mud slinging will continue from both sides.
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I know, USSR, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Loas, Cuba.......great examples of quality of life. Even Europe's governments aren't 100% socialist. I'm sorry, I don't want to pay for your doctor. I don't want to pay for anyones bills but mine, I have that right. If People are not going to evenly contribute to the pot, then why do I have to work harder for someone else to enjoy my tax money more then they already are?
wait, this was you being sarcastic, right?
6/11/08 WPB
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♬♪♫ cause a soldier's death is so much better than defeat just hanging around
Mc Cain looked SO unhealthy. He had trouble moving and his neck and back looked incredibly stiff. He highlighted how he is old and has old ideas still.
It was not to his advantage to walk around or have Obama looking like the handsome guy he is on the stool behind him!
LOL, do they meet at the Hall of Justice with the Superfriends?
see also: Coalition of the Willing.
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John McCain needs to stand still he's like a creepy uncle fester....
yikes, you're right. i was too distracted by his creepy old man vibe to actually listen to anything he was saying. all the "my friends" made him sound like a cult leader.
also obama seemed pretty flustered during this debate.
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I certainly do. I was just illustrating how bad all the networks were doing...
It's really sad. We're got the first amendment, and not a single network with the balls to make anything of it, nor a public demanding that they at least pretend to.
That has to be pretty damning news for the Republican party, especially since O'Reilly was really hammering on how McCain needed to really step it up tonight.
(I watch stuff from all over the spectrum. They all suck, but I like to get different kinds of suck in my educational diet, I suppose. Also read BBC's site. Kind of strange that the best domestic coverage is provided by BBC, in my opinion.)
The haves have not a fkn clue.
yeah, Fox is indeed stunned ... about his $300b house buyback plan while he's "freezing spending" ... at some point, I wonder if Fox may cut and run from McCain, calling him too liberal.
Of couse, the second sentence out of Sean Hannity's mouth was "Ayers" and "air raiding villigers" ....
man, it may APPEAR to the public that Obama actually won this debate ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Just an opinion....thats it......
But the GI Bill isn't taxable.....so I'll be set for the next 3 years. Then people can live off of my hard work....no problem.
I noticed as soon as it switched over to Hannity, they were discussing things which have been made key to the McCain campaign without recognizing the fact that they didn't come up once tonight (specifically: Ayers).
Regardless of bias, how does one ignore that and not at least say, "hey, um, what the fuck, John? You sort of disappeared on that one..."
Fox's typical reaction non-withstanding (which tends to be 'let's support the republicans no matter what'), it has been the most interesting news cast to me so far. I think it's very telling about the state of McCain's campaign and the trouble it may find itself in.
EDIT: Of course, the Fox viewers still called it 86 to 12 in favor of McCain. Then again, I have my own questions for any network about the people who actually send in text messages to news stations about this shit. When did this turn into American Fucking Idol? Like the election is some sort of 'reality tv' program...
EDIT 2: MSNBC has pretty much the same numbers...in the other direction. There's no way either candidate did well enough to convince eighty-five percent of anyone that they should clearly and without question be President based on that debate. McCain did nothing but alienate the base with his $300B buy-out-loans plan, while, on the other hand, Obama did nothing at all.
He did look at the people who asked the questions...
Again, that level of respect is not there. On another thread, it was said that these people have to work together after the elections.
It looks like things will be same old same once the elections are over- the separation of the parties, and no communication, and no forward movement for this government.
who won the 2nd presidential debate?
Obama 61%
McCain 39%
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Now THAT would be a debate I'd like to see especialy with Dennis Kucinich.
Get out of town FN has it like that. Amazing, the mud slinging will continue from both sides.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
wait, this was you being sarcastic, right?
♬♪♫ and I will not, grow tired of crayon stars and fire
♬♪♫ cause a soldier's death is so much better than defeat just hanging around
Yes, but some people here think its a great way to live.......I think they listen to too much John Lennon.
It was not to his advantage to walk around or have Obama looking like the handsome guy he is on the stool behind him!
(Should I not take some delight in this?
see also: Coalition of the Willing.
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yikes, you're right. i was too distracted by his creepy old man vibe to actually listen to anything he was saying. all the "my friends" made him sound like a cult leader.
also obama seemed pretty flustered during this debate.
weak debate IMO.