wasn't johnny conservative? you know one of Eddie's favorite people. i like their music
I think Johnny was as conservative as they come:
Here's a snippet from a Washington Times article about him:
He was a rebel in a rebel's world, though. Johnny Ramone was a fiercely Republican-voting, NRA-supporting musician in a milieu that is remarkable for its embrace of all things left.
Johnny went worldwide public with his partisanship in 2002, when the Ramones were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At the microphone to give props to the people who made it all possible, he offered his own version of a Michael Moore moment.
"God bless President Bush, and God bless America," he said, clad in his trademark T-shirt, ripped blue jeans and leather jacket.
"I grew up a Republican," she says. "My family was the only Italian family in Queens that voted for Nixon instead of Kennedy."
Johnny was driven right by a youthful revulsion against, um, face-ism. "It was in 1960, the Nixon-Kennedy election," he says, recalling his first inclination toward the right. He was an only child of Irish heritage in a working-class neighborhood. Families on his block voted left, pro-union. "People around me were saying, 'Oh, Kennedy's so handsome,' and I thought, 'Well, if these people are going to vote for someone based on how he looks, I don't want to be party to that.'"
For his news now, he hits the Drudge Report and Newsmax.com, Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes," and "The O'Reilly Factor." He listens daily to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Medved. In L.A., people spend a lot of time in their cars, and he uses that time to educate himself, he says.
His list of favorite Republicans should humble the Republican National Committee, or at least get him invited to a GOP fund-raiser: Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Charlton Heston, [actor and close friend] Vincent Gallo, Ted Nugent, Messrs. Limbaugh and Hannity, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Wayne and Tom DeLay.
liberal arts is a noun, liberal is an adjective. The Wiki definition isn't relevant to what I'm expressing.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
What a flippin joke of a person. :rolleyes: He's my hero! 'Come to daddy!' He makes me wanna barf. Ughh!
No doubt. Major jerk-off.
Have you heard this cement-head speak, Abook?
I suppose you have. But if you haven't, please do avoid.
The last time I heard it string some words together in an attempt to construct a senetence; I thought I was listening/watching someone with a severe disability.
Why the fuck does it matter? You fucking Liberal Elitists are pathetic. ALWAYS looking for ways to hate people who dont follow your lead, you lemmings.
I thought Liberals were supposed to be understanding? And love everyone, no matter what color/sex/religion/beliefs.
This, is the lamest post in Moving Train history. It's impressive, because almost every post is lame, this one takes the cake.
Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)
Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?
How are you judging "good" by?... lyrical content, musicianship, or personal opinion??? It's a different Genre of music that appeals to the conservative minded, again generalizing...they like country more and they tend to be christian and like different bands that play rock / pop etc (under the christian label)... but there are excellent musicians in each of those genres... You just don't hear about them b/c they aren't on the radio as much (or it's just not your taste)... Many people that like that type of music wouldn't call pearl jam or soundgarden or alice in chains "good" music...even though it's more popular (and I'd say better music)...but there are great musicians that are conservative and to many people they do write good music.
also, do you not like (or think they arent good) the overtly conservative bands b/c they are overtly conservative and it's more the message you don't like?
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Why the fuck does it matter? You fucking Liberal Elitists are pathetic. ALWAYS looking for ways to hate people who dont follow your lead, you lemmings.
I thought Liberals were supposed to be understanding? And love everyone, no matter what color/sex/religion/beliefs.
This, is the lamest post in Moving Train history. It's impressive, because almost every post is lame, this one takes the cake.
thanks for that, I was really interested in what you thought was the lamest post in MT. Now I can finally go to sleep and not wonder about that anymore...
The last time I heard it string some words together in an attempt to construct a senetence; I thought I was listening/watching someone with a severe disability.
I've heard the same said about Vedder.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
liberal arts is a noun, liberal is an adjective. The Wiki definition isn't relevant to what I'm expressing.
That shows you didn't go to school. Read The Long Revolution by the late Marxist cultural theorist and literary critic Professor Raymond Williams, and you will discover the link between political liberalism and the medieval concept of the liberal arts in the provincial guilds of England. However, I expect you won't bother. Thank you for your time.
Why the fuck does it matter? You fucking Liberal Elitists are pathetic. ALWAYS looking for ways to hate people who dont follow your lead, you lemmings.
I thought Liberals were supposed to be understanding? And love everyone, no matter what color/sex/religion/beliefs.
This, is the lamest post in Moving Train history. It's impressive, because almost every post is lame, this one takes the cake.
FUCKING BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
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Fred Bear
Free for All
Cat Scratch Fever
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Wango Tango
Good stuff!
TED NUGENT IS A COMPLETE SCUMBAG. At one of his concerts a friend dragged me to go see, from the stage to he was encouraging these guys up front to rip off this girls top then rape her. I don't care if those fans thought it was a joke or not but that's one stupid criminal act to want your fans to do. What a fucking idiot, I walked out and left my friend right there.
I later told him don't ever ask me to go see shit like that again, don't care if you bought me tickets or not.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Johnny Cash was very anti-establishment and I don't know much about the non-Bono members of U2, but their older music and Bono's charity work seem more liberal than conservative to me.
I have no idea how you bring up Neil Young into this... if he isn't liberal, than who is?
that was my point, what are the characteristics of being "conservative" or "liberal"??
Cash sang many songs for the common man, which is what a ton of old country singers have done, when there actually was REAL country music. but I don't know whatever gave you the idea that he was a liberal. or anti-establishment. what's that mean? he catered to the religious crowd, the country crowd, and the rock crowd. he made Hollywood movies and did variety shows on tv. he was a rebel in a sense, but not so much so as to operate outside the mainstream.
I also don't know what gave you an idea that Neil Young was liberal. I'm pretty sure that I've even read an interview with him where he said he's probably one of the most conservative people you've ever met.
again, it all comes down to the definition of liberal and conservative. if those definitions come down to "votes republican" or "votes democrat", I don't know. I've personally found that the people who are straight ticket voters are the dumbest of all people, because all they see is a party name and not the issues.
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that was my point, what are the characteristics of being "conservative" or "liberal"??
Cash sang many songs for the common man, which is what a ton of old country singers have done, when there actually was REAL country music. but I don't know whatever gave you the idea that he was a liberal. or anti-establishment. what's that mean? he catered to the religious crowd, the country crowd, and the rock crowd. he made Hollywood movies and did variety shows on tv. he was a rebel in a sense, but not so much so as to operate outside the mainstream.
I also don't know what gave you an idea that Neil Young was liberal. I'm pretty sure that I've even read an interview with him where he said he's probably one of the most conservative people you've ever met.
again, it all comes down to the definition of liberal and conservative. if those definitions come down to "votes republican" or "votes democrat", I don't know. I've personally found that the people who are straight ticket voters are the dumbest of all people, because all they see is a party name and not the issues.
I liked Dennis Kucinich/Ron Paul and I don't like Obama
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
the whole nature of conservatism is rooted in stability and 'normality' which liberal ideas, obviouslly tend to steer clear from.....
Look at some of the greatest musical innovators, all have been liberal/left leaning -
Radiohead
Beatles
Bob Dylan
Nirvana
Radical and left/liberal thinking as always gone hand in hand with artistic experimenation.....
Nirvana was about as non-political as a rock band could be. I don't know that I've ever heard any of the 3 members say anything whatsoever about politics.
Conservatives are too busy with their jobs and families to have time to sit around smoking pot and coming up with lyrics to a song. I get up, go to work, come home, have dinner with the fam if I'm not working a double, read the kids a story and put them to bed and go to sleep and the routine starts over again. Where would I ever have time to sit around getting high to become musically inclined?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
blues traveler (well, john popper... don't know about the rest of the band) is libertarian, not conservative. there's a significant difference between the two.
well, at least that would explain why he got busted on gun and drug charges awhile back. IIRC, he had enough weaponry to overthrow a small third world country.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
I think in the Ramones- Johnny was "conservative" and Joey was "liberal."
I think Joey wrote The KKK Took My Baby Away because Johnny stole his girl. And Bonzo Goes to Bitburgh had "(My Brain is Hangin' Upside Down" added to the title because Johnny didn't like how the song portrayed Reagan. You see, there was an old movie called "Bedtime for Bonzo" starring, you guessed it... Ronald Reagan. Bonzo, the chimp, had better acting chops than Ronnie.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Cash sang many songs for the common man, which is what a ton of old country singers have done, when there actually was REAL country music. but I don't know whatever gave you the idea that he was a liberal. or anti-establishment.
JC was without a doubt, a very religious and spiritual man. But to call him "conservative" is quite a stretch. Conservatives only talk the talk. Johnny walked the walk.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
"Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others."
--Ambrose Bierce
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
I don't know about any of the guys from radiohead or Mr. Zimmerman, but I do know that half the Beatles and Kurt were all left-handed. And studies have shown that left-handed people also tend to be more creative.
Of course, Son of Sam and Jack the Ripper were also left-handed, so take it for what it's worth.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Nirvana was about as non-political as a rock band could be. I don't know that I've ever heard any of the 3 members say anything whatsoever about politics.
Kurt was somewhat vocal about politics, and Krist is about as political as they get rockstar-wise. You know, what with the whole forming his own PAC and running for Lt. Governor.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
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I think Johnny was as conservative as they come:
Here's a snippet from a Washington Times article about him:
He was a rebel in a rebel's world, though. Johnny Ramone was a fiercely Republican-voting, NRA-supporting musician in a milieu that is remarkable for its embrace of all things left.
Johnny went worldwide public with his partisanship in 2002, when the Ramones were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At the microphone to give props to the people who made it all possible, he offered his own version of a Michael Moore moment.
"God bless President Bush, and God bless America," he said, clad in his trademark T-shirt, ripped blue jeans and leather jacket.
"I grew up a Republican," she says. "My family was the only Italian family in Queens that voted for Nixon instead of Kennedy."
Johnny was driven right by a youthful revulsion against, um, face-ism. "It was in 1960, the Nixon-Kennedy election," he says, recalling his first inclination toward the right. He was an only child of Irish heritage in a working-class neighborhood. Families on his block voted left, pro-union. "People around me were saying, 'Oh, Kennedy's so handsome,' and I thought, 'Well, if these people are going to vote for someone based on how he looks, I don't want to be party to that.'"
For his news now, he hits the Drudge Report and Newsmax.com, Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes," and "The O'Reilly Factor." He listens daily to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Medved. In L.A., people spend a lot of time in their cars, and he uses that time to educate himself, he says.
His list of favorite Republicans should humble the Republican National Committee, or at least get him invited to a GOP fund-raiser: Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Charlton Heston, [actor and close friend] Vincent Gallo, Ted Nugent, Messrs. Limbaugh and Hannity, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Wayne and Tom DeLay.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/11/20040311-085521-1823r/
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liberal arts is a noun, liberal is an adjective. The Wiki definition isn't relevant to what I'm expressing.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
No doubt. Major jerk-off.
Have you heard this cement-head speak, Abook?
I suppose you have. But if you haven't, please do avoid.
The last time I heard it string some words together in an attempt to construct a senetence; I thought I was listening/watching someone with a severe disability.
There is that tolerant liberal view.
I thought Liberals were supposed to be understanding? And love everyone, no matter what color/sex/religion/beliefs.
This, is the lamest post in Moving Train history. It's impressive, because almost every post is lame, this one takes the cake.
How are you judging "good" by?... lyrical content, musicianship, or personal opinion??? It's a different Genre of music that appeals to the conservative minded, again generalizing...they like country more and they tend to be christian and like different bands that play rock / pop etc (under the christian label)... but there are excellent musicians in each of those genres... You just don't hear about them b/c they aren't on the radio as much (or it's just not your taste)... Many people that like that type of music wouldn't call pearl jam or soundgarden or alice in chains "good" music...even though it's more popular (and I'd say better music)...but there are great musicians that are conservative and to many people they do write good music.
also, do you not like (or think they arent good) the overtly conservative bands b/c they are overtly conservative and it's more the message you don't like?
I've heard the same said about Vedder.
That shows you didn't go to school. Read The Long Revolution by the late Marxist cultural theorist and literary critic Professor Raymond Williams, and you will discover the link between political liberalism and the medieval concept of the liberal arts in the provincial guilds of England. However, I expect you won't bother. Thank you for your time.
FUCKING BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
TED NUGENT IS A COMPLETE SCUMBAG. At one of his concerts a friend dragged me to go see, from the stage to he was encouraging these guys up front to rip off this girls top then rape her. I don't care if those fans thought it was a joke or not but that's one stupid criminal act to want your fans to do. What a fucking idiot, I walked out and left my friend right there.
I later told him don't ever ask me to go see shit like that again, don't care if you bought me tickets or not.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
that was my point, what are the characteristics of being "conservative" or "liberal"??
Cash sang many songs for the common man, which is what a ton of old country singers have done, when there actually was REAL country music. but I don't know whatever gave you the idea that he was a liberal. or anti-establishment. what's that mean? he catered to the religious crowd, the country crowd, and the rock crowd. he made Hollywood movies and did variety shows on tv. he was a rebel in a sense, but not so much so as to operate outside the mainstream.
I also don't know what gave you an idea that Neil Young was liberal. I'm pretty sure that I've even read an interview with him where he said he's probably one of the most conservative people you've ever met.
again, it all comes down to the definition of liberal and conservative. if those definitions come down to "votes republican" or "votes democrat", I don't know. I've personally found that the people who are straight ticket voters are the dumbest of all people, because all they see is a party name and not the issues.
I liked Dennis Kucinich/Ron Paul and I don't like Obama
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I would definately agree with that.....
the whole nature of conservatism is rooted in stability and 'normality' which liberal ideas, obviouslly tend to steer clear from.....
Look at some of the greatest musical innovators, all have been liberal/left leaning -
Radiohead
Beatles
Bob Dylan
Nirvana
Radical and left/liberal thinking as always gone hand in hand with artistic experimenation.....
This might explain it:
[size=+2]"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative."[/size]
~John Stuart Mill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Nirvana was about as non-political as a rock band could be. I don't know that I've ever heard any of the 3 members say anything whatsoever about politics.
a quote from a guy that's been dead 130 years, pretty relevant. most of the high school dropouts in this country vote democrat.
Agreed that's their base.
DEAL WITH IT
You stole my line!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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well, at least that would explain why he got busted on gun and drug charges awhile back. IIRC, he had enough weaponry to overthrow a small third world country.
—Dorothy Parker
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I think Joey wrote The KKK Took My Baby Away because Johnny stole his girl. And Bonzo Goes to Bitburgh had "(My Brain is Hangin' Upside Down" added to the title because Johnny didn't like how the song portrayed Reagan. You see, there was an old movie called "Bedtime for Bonzo" starring, you guessed it... Ronald Reagan. Bonzo, the chimp, had better acting chops than Ronnie.
—Dorothy Parker
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JC was without a doubt, a very religious and spiritual man. But to call him "conservative" is quite a stretch. Conservatives only talk the talk. Johnny walked the walk.
—Dorothy Parker
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I like this one better:
"Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others."
--Ambrose Bierce
—Dorothy Parker
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I don't know about any of the guys from radiohead or Mr. Zimmerman, but I do know that half the Beatles and Kurt were all left-handed. And studies have shown that left-handed people also tend to be more creative.
Of course, Son of Sam and Jack the Ripper were also left-handed, so take it for what it's worth.
—Dorothy Parker
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"My country right or wrong" is like saying, "My mother drunk or sober."
-- G.K. Chesterton
—Dorothy Parker
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Kurt was somewhat vocal about politics, and Krist is about as political as they get rockstar-wise. You know, what with the whole forming his own PAC and running for Lt. Governor.
—Dorothy Parker
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