I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper
blues traveler (well, john popper... don't know about the rest of the band) is libertarian, not conservative. there's a significant difference between the two.
Well also look at the fact that the 80's were his jesus years and inarguably his low-point creatively for a lot of reasons (99% of that being that the 80's BLEW)
besides, christianity doesn't merit conservative politics, esp. in Dylan's case.
Johnny Ramone is a much better example :cool:
I disagree with it being his lowpoint but anyway thats a matter of opinion.
I disagree with it being his lowpoint but anyway thats a matter of opinion.
Well i still love the music he made then, but it's just not as good as the rest of it (though it is, technically opinion ). Oddly enough he recovered right at the end of the 80's..
i think many, many rock bands do not let their politics be known, it is not a part of their music, etc. i can think of many bands that i have NO idea what their political beliefs are...so who knows, they could be completely conservative! i think we only know about the bands who WANT us to know...either they speak out, or it's integral to their music.
i think many, many rock bands do not let their politics be known, it is not a part of their music, etc. i can think of many bands that i have NO idea what their political beliefs are...so who knows, they could be completely conservative! i think we only know about the bands who WANT us to know...either they speak out, or it's integral to their music.
that's true. That's why i've used labels like "political bands"
Who gives a rat's ass about a band's political persuasion. Either they write good music or they don't. That does it, I'm going to dig up some Stryper tunes.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
How bout left brain(conservatives) vs right brain (liberals)
Left brain is linear thinking
Right brain is, well, not
Psych tests will show some are dominant with different sides of the brain, or some are centered which is how I tested a couple of times.
Cons have a hard time expressing thoughts that are not logical, and how much fun is that. Supertramp the 'Logical song' comes to mind but I don't know exactly why or what that song means. Been years since I heard it
Whenever I have written literature, poetry, songs I always have to get past the linear thinking to really express myself.
Probably a stupid theory, but I have been thinking about this.
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How bout left brain(conservatives) vs right brain (liberals)
Left brain is linear thinking
Right brain is, well, not
Psych tests will show some are dominant with different sides of the brain, or some are centered which is how I tested a couple of times.
Cons have a hard time expressing thoughts that are not logical, and how much fun is that. Supertramp the 'Logical song' comes to mind but I don't know exactly why or what that song means. Been years since I heard it
Whenever I have written literature, poetry, songs I always have to get past the linear thinking to really express myself.
Probably a stupid theory, but I have been thinking about this.
it's not stupid, but it's a little scewed.
i don't think right vs. left brain has to do with political beliefs.
Artists are right brain thinkers naturally, and they tend to be liberal. You're theory is kind of backwards.
I hate to quote more Bill Hicks, but I'm going to anyway. The reason why conservatives don't make good music is because they are "Annoying Idiot Evil Fucks."
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
I hate to quote more Bill Hicks, but I'm going to anyway. The reason why conservatives don't make good music is because they are "Annoying Idiot Evil Fucks."
haha.. doesn't exactly encourage reasoned debate, but it's bill hicks so quote him all you want
to answer the thread, good music comes from discontent. people who are in a situation andthey are pissed about it. hence the fuck the man attitude. people offer suggestions to help the masses a la bono. people rage against the machine like the clash. nobody wants to write about how great things are and how lower taxes are great. mostly i think that conservatives are content with their place in life and that contentment breeds shitty music. there is no inspiration there.
This is my take on the question. Self-loathing and guilt-ridden people are more likely to make artistic connections with people. We turn to music and other forms of art for introspective evaluations of ourselves and libs are pretty good at making these connections.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
There are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread; the largest one is that many of you seem to think conservatives are evil or some such judgement. I grew up in the country, on a farm, and most of my family and neighbours are quite conservative. I myself, while being quite liberal most of the time, have some fairly right wing beliefs too because of it. We're not evil because we believe outlawing all the types of guns is stupid, for example - we all just know that sometimes you need a gun (to protect your chickens from raccoons, your cows from coyotes, and so on).
Anyway, not trying to open a discussion on gun control .... But just wanted to point out that some of the replies seem to edging in that direction!
Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)
Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?
Being somebody who was pretty much conservative their whole childhood, teenage years and early 20s and am now pretty much liberal, I can contest, being liberal has NOTHING to do with being lazy.
Hang with my neighbours, then, and you'll see a whole other side of conservative. Maybe it's Country Conservative, but they all taught me how to party!
what's conservative? because it's been shown that "conservatives" are much more charitable than "liberals". so then, all of these bands doing benefit concerts would be "conservative". or by "conservative", do you mean "votes Republican"?
Johnny Cash was a conservative. the Ramones, Neil Young. 3 of the 4 members of U2 have very deep religious views. I've also heard one of the members of PJ is a "conservative". I guess it all depends on what "conservative" actually means.
I don't think a conservative mindset automatically means a bad songwriter. Anyone with fixed ideas is going to portray a world view that is shallow and one dimensional. For example, take John Lennon's material on the Sometime in New York City album. It's fucking dreadful, by anyone's standards, even though it's politically left. Look at the lyrics of "Angela", for Angela Davis. The syncophantic loonies on YouTube who think this is actually good need committing to some place from which they can't ever escape:
Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)
Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?
To busy working real jobs, providing food, infrastructure, etc.....you know...running the world.
By definition, liberal means "abundant", conservative means "moderate". Entertainers in general are creative people and the creative process requires that one be able to think or view things from many perspectives. Conservatives tend to think or view things from one perspective and generally speaking aren't very creative. If you look at any group of entertainers, and determine their philosophical outlooks, generally there's an overabundance of liberals. Just stating the obvious.......
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~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
what's conservative? because it's been shown that "conservatives" are much more charitable than "liberals". so then, all of these bands doing benefit concerts would be "conservative". or by "conservative", do you mean "votes Republican"?
Johnny Cash was a conservative. the Ramones, Neil Young. 3 of the 4 members of U2 have very deep religious views. I've also heard one of the members of PJ is a "conservative". I guess it all depends on what "conservative" actually means.
So being religious makes people conservative?
Johnny Cash was very anti-establishment and I don't know much about the non-Bono members of U2, but their older music and Bono's charity work seem more liberal than conservative to me.
I have no idea how you bring up Neil Young into this... if he isn't liberal, than who is?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Hendrix was very conservative, for at least the first half of his career. That changed, but in one interview with the British press in 1967, talking about the Viet Cong, he said, "We must not underestimate the yellow danger."
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blues traveler (well, john popper... don't know about the rest of the band) is libertarian, not conservative. there's a significant difference between the two.
awesome band, blues traveler.
I disagree with it being his lowpoint but anyway thats a matter of opinion.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
i think many, many rock bands do not let their politics be known, it is not a part of their music, etc. i can think of many bands that i have NO idea what their political beliefs are...so who knows, they could be completely conservative! i think we only know about the bands who WANT us to know...either they speak out, or it's integral to their music.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
good point.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
well then, i think it's simply b/c there are not enough good rhyhme schemes for conservative-related political language.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
push
mush
that's all i've got.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Left brain is linear thinking
Right brain is, well, not
Psych tests will show some are dominant with different sides of the brain, or some are centered which is how I tested a couple of times.
Cons have a hard time expressing thoughts that are not logical, and how much fun is that. Supertramp the 'Logical song' comes to mind but I don't know exactly why or what that song means. Been years since I heard it
Whenever I have written literature, poetry, songs I always have to get past the linear thinking to really express myself.
Probably a stupid theory, but I have been thinking about this.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
it's not stupid, but it's a little scewed.
i don't think right vs. left brain has to do with political beliefs.
Artists are right brain thinkers naturally, and they tend to be liberal. You're theory is kind of backwards.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
This is my take on the question. Self-loathing and guilt-ridden people are more likely to make artistic connections with people. We turn to music and other forms of art for introspective evaluations of ourselves and libs are pretty good at making these connections.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Anyway, not trying to open a discussion on gun control
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
P.S. I don't get high either..
Conservatives are tight asses, they can't groove.
Hang with my neighbours, then, and you'll see a whole other side of conservative. Maybe it's Country Conservative, but they all taught me how to party!
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwtFjAwYGyo
Well, he didn't write that, haha.
Er, hang on ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJmw5RKV3M
There ya go ....
Johnny Cash was a conservative. the Ramones, Neil Young. 3 of the 4 members of U2 have very deep religious views. I've also heard one of the members of PJ is a "conservative". I guess it all depends on what "conservative" actually means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9gDxGNXL50
"They gave you coffee/they gave you tea/they gave you anything but equality."
I'm sure there are some pro-Bush songs out there that are better than that!
To busy working real jobs, providing food, infrastructure, etc.....you know...running the world.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
So being religious makes people conservative?
Johnny Cash was very anti-establishment and I don't know much about the non-Bono members of U2, but their older music and Bono's charity work seem more liberal than conservative to me.
I have no idea how you bring up Neil Young into this... if he isn't liberal, than who is?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQI8X2R6Y
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