Why can't politically conservative people write good music?

mpg82

Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)

Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?

surferdude

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box?

Nice stereotyping and thinking outside the box!!!

Ever think that the conservative thinking bands find no reason to bleat to the press about their beliefs. I think Mike did a great job with lettign Inside Job express himself without the need to expound to all media about what he believes.

Bu2

i carry your heart
i carry it in my heart

and it's you are
whatever the moon has always meant
and whatever the sun will always sing

is you

(borrowed by heart by e.e. cummings)

69charger

Ted Nugent ANYBODY?!?!

Stranglehold
Fred Bear
Free for All
Cat Scratch Fever
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Wango Tango

Good stuff!

El_Kabong

69charger wrote:

Ted Nugent ANYBODY?!?!

Stranglehold
Fred Bear
Free for All
Cat Scratch Fever
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Wango Tango

Good stuff!

yeah, beating up women is good stuff,man!

stranglehold:

Oooh
Here i come again now baby
like a dog in heat
tell it's me by the clamor now baby
i like to tear up the street,

now i been smokin for so long,
ya know im here to stay
got you in a stranglehold baby
you best get outta the way

The road I cruise is a bitch now baby
but no, you cant turn me round
and if a house gets in my way baby
ya know I'll burn it down

you ran the night that you left me
you put me in my place
i got you in a stranglehold
I'm gotta crush your face

yeaah
sometimes you wanna get higher
and sometimes you gotta start low
some people think they gonna die someday
i got news ya never got to go

c'mon c'mon up (4 times)

c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon baby
c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon up
c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon baby
c'mon c'mon c'mon

road i cruise is a bitch now
ya know ya cant turn me round
and if a house gets in my way
ya know I'll burn it down

you ran the night that you left me
you put me in my place
i got you in a stranglehold baby
that night I crushed your face

Cosmo

69charger wrote:

Ted Nugent ANYBODY?!?!

Stranglehold
Fred Bear
Free for All
Cat Scratch Fever
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Wango Tango

Good stuff!

...
I'll give you 'Stranglehold'... but, that's it.
As for my guess... what Conservative Values make good topics for any type of art? Singing about 'Increased Defense Spending' or 'Going To Church' or 'Finding A Girl Whom You Can Support Financially So She Can Stay At Home To Raise The Kids' or 'Chasing The Mexicans Back Over The Border'... it's more fun to sing songs about smoking pot or railing against the corporate/governmental machinery... right?

thunder_balls

I think Sweaty Teddy is excellent! I love that guy and his music!

flywallyfly

69charger wrote:

Ted Nugent ANYBODY?!?!

Stranglehold
Fred Bear
Free for All
Cat Scratch Fever
Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Wango Tango

Good stuff!

I dont really think Ted was living a conservative lifestyle when he wrote those songs in his heyday. Now he just whores himself out on reality shows.

69charger

El_Kabong wrote:

yeah, beating up women is good stuff,man!

It's still a good song...

Besides, he didn't beat her up, he crushed her face. Completely different!

69charger

flywallyfly wrote:

I dont really think Ted was living a conservative lifestyle when he wrote those songs in his heyday. Now he just whores himself out on reality shows.

You don't know much about The Nuge, do you? :rolleyes:

flywallyfly

69charger wrote:

You don't know much about The Nuge, do you? :rolleyes:

Enlighten me about him, I'm sure I'll be fascinated.

flywallyfly

69charger wrote:

You don't know much about The Nuge, do you? :rolleyes:

I have to apologize. He WAS living a conservative lifestyle that mimics much of the GOP leadership today. Some quick examples including the great CHICKENHAWK tale ==>


In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody."

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Yet Nugent does not find Bush conservative enough, thinking the president should take more forceful action on Iraq. "Our failure has been not to Nagasaki them," he said.

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Nugent fathered a child out of wedlock in 1995, with a Dover, New Hampshire woman, Karen Gutowski, with whom he had a "brief relationship" during his second marriage to Shemane Nugent. He and Gutowski came to an agreement on child support and visitation in late June. (Source: June 22, Laconia, N.H. The Citizen.) The newspaper reported that Nugent will pay Gutowski $3,500 monthly in child support, and she will have sole custody of their son, now 10. Terms of Nugent's visitation were not disclosed.

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'Uncle Ted' also had a well-known predilection for underage girls, even going so far as becoming the legal guardian to a 17 year old Hawaiian girl in 1978, so he could continue to 'date' her with impunity.

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Ted is also known for his outspoken view on foreigners, saying that: "Foreigners are assholes; foreigners are scum; I don’t like ‘em; I don’t want ‘em in this country; I don’t want ‘em selling me doughnuts; I don’t want ‘em pumping my gas; I don’t want ‘em downwind of my life-OK? So anyhow-and I’m dead serious…” (WRIF-FM, Detroit, Ted Nugent as guest deejay, November 19, 1992).

Abookamongstthemany

flywallyfly wrote:

I have to apologize. He WAS living a conservative lifestyle that mimics much of the GOP leadership today. Some quick examples including the great CHICKENHAWK tale ==>


In a 1978 issue of Rolling Stone, Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody."

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Yet Nugent does not find Bush conservative enough, thinking the president should take more forceful action on Iraq. "Our failure has been not to Nagasaki them," he said.

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Nugent fathered a child out of wedlock in 1995, with a Dover, New Hampshire woman, Karen Gutowski, with whom he had a "brief relationship" during his second marriage to Shemane Nugent. He and Gutowski came to an agreement on child support and visitation in late June. (Source: June 22, Laconia, N.H. The Citizen.) The newspaper reported that Nugent will pay Gutowski $3,500 monthly in child support, and she will have sole custody of their son, now 10. Terms of Nugent's visitation were not disclosed.

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'Uncle Ted' also had a well-known predilection for underage girls, even going so far as becoming the legal guardian to a 17 year old Hawaiian girl in 1978, so he could continue to 'date' her with impunity.

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Ted is also known for his outspoken view on foreigners, saying that: "Foreigners are assholes; foreigners are scum; I don’t like ‘em; I don’t want ‘em in this country; I don’t want ‘em selling me doughnuts; I don’t want ‘em pumping my gas; I don’t want ‘em downwind of my life-OK? So anyhow-and I’m dead serious…” (WRIF-FM, Detroit, Ted Nugent as guest deejay, November 19, 1992).

What a flippin joke of a person. :rolleyes: He's my hero! 'Come to daddy!' He makes me wanna barf. Ughh!

gimmesometruth27

ted's an idiot. can't this man have a hunting accident already?? maybe he should go out with his boy cheney.

gimmesometruth27

to answer the thread, good music comes from discontent. people who are in a situation andthey are pissed about it. hence the fuck the man attitude. people offer suggestions to help the masses a la bono. people rage against the machine like the clash. nobody wants to write about how great things are and how lower taxes are great. mostly i think that conservatives are content with their place in life and that contentment breeds shitty music. there is no inspiration there.

miller8966

many great artists have taken conservative positions in their carears...look at bob dylans jesus albums which won him a grammy.

PaperPlates

Was Johnny Cash a conservative?> Id think so. Great music. Great songs. Great man.

angelica

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)

Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?

According to some personality type theorists, our authors, scriptwriters, and the musical acts that make it are often "idealists" (which is a particular branch of personality type--approximately 15% of the population). Such individuals tend to truly understand humans, can see different sides of a subject and can recognise the "ideals" in situations.

Since the idealists are interested in humanitarian issues, they understand how to tap into and connect with humans, and therefore find their way into our hearts, as well as tapping into "commercial appeal", among the masses.

There are personality types that are more detail oriented and that show wonderful talents with words or with technical musical talent. And yet if they lack the interpersonal connection element, the won't hook people in a widespread fashion and therefore while being highly skilled, will not show up on the world stage.

The idealists, when their skills are utilised in a potent manner, are able to do justice to life's ideals which we all recognise unconsciously. They weave them throughout their songs, stories, and movie/TV scriptsand and we are hooked deep within, since it is the very stuff of life, and of our hearts--sometimes beyond awareness.

Due to the humanitarian bent of idealists, they tend to be left-leaning.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)

Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?

cause thaey cant do anything right(no pun intended)! but really they should stick to ruining our country! but really conservatives come from the deepest reigons of the underworld!!!!!!

ItsEvolutionBaby74

PaperPlates wrote:

Was Johnny Cash a conservative?> Id think so. Great music. Great songs. Great man.

are you saying that conservative and great___ go hand in hand?!?!

ItsEvolutionBaby74

mikeg19_82 wrote:

Ok this is very generalized, but it seems most musical acts are liberal. I can think of two conservative bands: blues traveler and alice cooper (wont mention alan jackson or toby fucking keith). So why can't conservatives write good music? Is it their upper class cookie-cutter suburbanite soccer mom white bread lifestyle? Their unwillingness to think out of the box? Or are liberals better at it because they're lazy, get high, and jam all day? Their preference to go against the grain? Their bigger interest in culture and the arts in general? (update: please just answer the following question and forget the stereotypes ive used--for example, that all liberals are lazy potheads. i only used them so people would write more)

Why aren't their more good bands with conservative ideologies?

Oingo Boingo!

gabers

PaperPlates wrote:

Was Johnny Cash a conservative?> Id think so. Great music. Great songs. Great man.

There is no way Johnny Cash was a conservative. He sang songs of oppression and love for your fellow man. He was good friends with Bob Dylan and sung "It Ain't Me Babe". I think his beliefs and definitely his style is what led him away from Nashville to do his own thing. He and Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson were all part of that "Rebel Country" movement. I think you might be confused because Johnny was a Christian man who took amphetamines.

This is from wikipedia "When invited to perform at the White House for the first time in 1972, President Richard Nixon's office requested that he play "Okie from Muskogee" (a Merle Haggard song that negatively portrays youthful drug users and war protesters) and "Welfare Cadillac" (a Guy Drake song that derides the integrity of welfare recipients). Cash declined to play either song and instead played a series of his own more left-leaning, politically-charged songs, including "The Ballad of Ira Hayes" (about a brave Native-American World War II veteran, one of the men memorialized on the famous flag Raising photograph taken on Iwo Jima, who was racially mistreated upon his return to Arizona), "Man in Black" and "What is Truth?"

gabers

miller8966 wrote:

many great artists have taken conservative positions in their carears...look at bob dylans jesus albums which won him a grammy.

Umm.... Singing about Jesus doesn't make you a conservative. Going to a Christian church doesn't necessarily make you a conservative.

I occasionally go to an Episcopal church and I know several "liberals" also attend. This is in Houston, Texas too my man. Home of George H. W. Bush. Unbelievable, huh?

angelica

PaperPlates wrote:

Was Johnny Cash a conservative?> Id think so. Great music. Great songs. Great man.

Yike, I just edited out the same wikipedia quote gabers used! The bottom quote is from Wikipedia, though.

I wouldn't assume Johnny Cash was conservative. Rather I think he was a humanitarian/idealist, like a motivational speaker. He'd deliberately relate to the "downtrodden", by connecting with those in prisons. He'd connect with them, let them know he understood, and then he'd bring it around to singing soul-soothing, inspirational songs for them. The man was brilliant at that. He did not judge--he understood. Even when he was continually stigmatised and misunderstood, himself.

Such lyrics sound idealistic to me: "I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down, / Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town, / I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime, / But is there because he's a victim of the times."

"Success is having to worry about every damn thing in the world, except money." --Johnny Cash


Believing in God or being a Christian does not make one conservative.

miller8966

angelica wrote:

Believing in God or being a Christian does not make one conservative.

THen what does...giving your song to corporations, does that count?

Cause thats a huge list of artists right there....

angelica

miller8966 wrote:

THen what does...giving your song to corporations, does that count?

Cause thats a huge list of artists right there....

I think who you vote for is the deciding factor, right?

For the record though, I'm a highly spiritual person and due to that fact I cannot call myself conservative.

Pearl Jam and toast

It's hilariously coincidental.

Not all good-political bands are liberal though.. just most..

I think it's partially the fault of the terrible bands that outrightly express it..

3 doors down, toby keith (country music in general).. the Nudge (though he's not even close to as bad as those first two... i can deal with 70's cock rock ).. make it seem like all conservative bands suck.

Thing is, artistically inclined people are naturally drawn to the more liberal side of the political swing. Just a personality thing.

Pearl Jam and toast

miller8966 wrote:

many great artists have taken conservative positions in their carears...look at bob dylans jesus albums which won him a grammy.

Well also look at the fact that the 80's were his jesus years and inarguably his low-point creatively for a lot of reasons (99% of that being that the 80's BLEW)

besides, christianity doesn't merit conservative politics, esp. in Dylan's case.

Johnny Ramone is a much better example :cool:

mpg82

okay the best conservative bands i've gotten from this thread are

ted nugent
3 doors down

that's it?

(i liked bob dylans christian stuff by the way, like "forever young")

i can't possibly be right that there are no good conservative bands.

Skitch Patterson

Fred Bear is a great song.

the rest, not so much.

messymarv

Why cant people stop grouping conservatives into a stereo type of uppity rich people who look down their noses. Ramones i do believe to answer.