Rosie's comments about Asians

NMyTree

fanch75 wrote:

I thought referring to Asian folks as "Orientals" was in itself a no-no? I could be wrong, but I thought as such.

Only if you're not an orient..... I mean Asian.

soulsinging

fanch75 wrote:

I thought referring to Asian folks as "Orientals" was in itself a no-no? I could be wrong, but I thought as such. Asians are people and Oriental is cuisine.

That being said, Asian chicks are very pretty, but generally not enough curves on 'em.

that's why i prefer the indian women. and not native american. like... india. damn...

ill be back.

soulsinging

NMyTree wrote:

Only if you're not an orient..... I mean Asian.

dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, asian-american please.

rebornFixer

dkst0426 wrote:

So just out of curiosity, where was the outrage from the political-correctness crowd? What if Rosie had said something like "And over in Africa, the newsman said "booga booga Danny DeVito ooga booga The View"?

This is similar to the point I was trying to make in my Richeal Richards thread (which garnered a pretty good discussion, despite a few irksome responses late in the game) ... Its only a problem if the non-PC remark involves black people. That's where the U.S. is at.

rebornFixer

soulsinging wrote:

dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, asian-american please.

Classic!

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

This is similar to the point I was trying to make in my Richeal Richards thread (which garnered a pretty good discussion, despite a few irksome responses late in the game) ... Its only a problem if the non-PC remark involves black people. That's where the U.S. is at.

Do you think it's different in say....Canada?

sponger

dkst0426 wrote:

You ever been mocked for sounding a certain way? How do you feel about people poking fun at the race of whichever parent your Asian heritage comes from?

I guess I could be called hyper-sensitive, but truthfully, Rosie's comments are something I would've expected from someone talking about how Orientals talk.......from someone in fifth grade, that is.

I don't think Rosie was mocking anybody for sounding a certain way. She was trying to make light of the world-wide attention being given to Danny DeVito's appearance on the View.

It's important to consider the context of the joke. The punchline is not that chinese people sound funny. The punchline is that chinese people care about something that we normally wouldn't think them to care about. Her intentions were to illustrate the irony of the situation, not to set asians apart as different or to sum them up with a condescending generalization.

So, considering the context of the joke, I would not be offended if someone were to do the same thing in my presence.

What about the "dirka dirka dirka" dialogue from Team America? Do you think arabs should have been offended?

South of Seattle

fanch75 wrote:

I thought referring to Asian folks as "Orientals" was in itself a no-no? I could be wrong, but I thought as such. Asians are people and Oriental is cuisine.

That being said, Asian chicks are very pretty, but generally not enough curves on 'em.

You beat me to it sir. As a half-asian I consider this somewhat offensive. Then again, I'm the whitest asian on the block

sponger

I never thought of the term "oriental" as derogatory. Is Asia not the orient?

Abookamongstthemany

I don't think people should take things offensively unless they actually feel that that certain person was meaning it in a negative sense. Terms carry different meanings to each person saying them. These things should be viewed on an individual basis unless the term was originated as a negative term and has always been viewed as such. Because sometimes, actually more often than not, people are just looking for a word to describe and communicate with.

South of Seattle

sponger wrote:

I never thought of the term "oriental" as derogatory. Is Asia not the orient?

I never really did either but other Asians seem to think so. Full blooded Asians at work call me half-breed(all in good fun though)

Most Asians think oriental should be used to describe lamps, rugs, foods, and a certain train.

They consider "Oriental" a style not a classification of people.

sourdough

I'm chinese and I have no problem with Oriental. I don't see what is so offensive at all about that term. I don't use it much cause I prefer Asian but really don't care. In regards to Rosie, yes, I did find that offensive just because it is just such a cliche and a common way people make fun of chinese people. I don't care what the intent was, it was offensive. That said, I think there is a huge distinction in what she said and the context in which she said it and what Kramer said. I chalk this one up as a mistake rather than racism.

fanch75

I think that Rosie's had a bit too much of General Tsao's Chicken in her time.

flywallyfly

NMyTree wrote:

Oh c'mon, you know that was funny...."Comed yan" That's some funny shit!!

Maybe one day you'll find a doctor who can remove that HUGE stick out of your ass.

I'm surprised someone hasnt stuck a boot up your ass. This person, right or wrong, is offended by this incident and you decide to make racial jokes at her. Really smooth. I bet you get your ass kicked alot.

NMyTree

flywallyfly wrote:

I'm surprised someone hasnt stuck a boot up your ass.

LOL! A boot up my ass? And exactly how would anyone stick a boot up my ass? Was that an attempt to be Ultra-Tough, while being Ultra-Sensitive.......at the same time? Oh wow, you're so sensitive and so enlightened.......yet so manly and tough.

flywallyfly wrote:

. This person, right or wrong, is offended by this incident and you decide to make racial jokes at her.

First of all, it wasn't a "racial joke". It was a linguistic word-play. "Yan" means "Hell". Comdey-Hell. Get it? See if you can get over your hard-guy, tough-guy with delicate sensitivites complex long enough to understand the meaning of the word-play joke.

http://www.yutopian.net/names/15/15yan50.html

flywallyfly wrote:

. Really smooth.

You mean like......."Smooth Jazz"?

flywallyfly wrote:

I bet you get your ass kicked alot.

So what you're saying is that physical violence, in you opinion, is a reasonable and acceptable response/action to a little linguistic word-play?


It's so very funny how everyone can laugh when Carlos Mencia impersonates and pokes fun at every race, gender, sexual-orientation and religion on the planet. Or when any comed-yan pokes fun at others.

But yet some washed up, so-called, ex-comed-yan/actor/Talk Show Host desperately makes an attempt for attention by poking fun at Asian linguistics; you all lose your minds and get so very sensitive about it.

Again, the only persons who could sit here and claim to be offended or shocked by Rosie's comments with any legitimacy and honesty- are any persons who have never, ever laughed, giggled or snickered at any comed-yan's impersonations, satire, parody and jokes regarding the mannerisms, speech patterns, culture or lifestyle of gay men/women, blacks, mexicans, whites, middle easterners, jews, Indians (both native and Asian) or any other people on the planet.

Otherwise, you're all being very selective hypocrites.

angelica

NMyTree wrote:

Again, the only persons who could sit here and claim to be offended or shocked by Rosie's comments with any legitimacy and honesty- are any persons who have never, ever laughed, giggled or snickered at any comed-yan's impersonations, satire, parody and jokes regarding the mannerisms, speech patterns, culture or lifestyle of gay men/women, blacks, mexicans, whites, middle easterners, jews, Indians (both native and Asian) or any other people on the planet.

Otherwise, you're all being very selective hypocrites.

The only persons who can sit here and claim to be offended and shocked by Rosie's comments with legitimacy and honesty are those individuals who have emotions. When one legitimately emotionally feels something, there is no escaping the fact that one legitimately emotionally feels something.

The distortion I see here is in confusing logic with emotion. They are entirely separate issues. If you try to make emotions logically line up, you're partaking of an exercise in futility. Alogical emotions are not logical and therefore will not fit logical constructs, no matter how hard we try to make them.

On the other hand, those we can legitimately call hypocrites are those who fall into the category of being human. The human condition itself guarantees that we will contradict and conflict with our own selves, between head and heart. It's par for the course. Where I see the problem is not in hypocricy, but in trying to fit vast, inherently diverse humans into a linear process of logic, for the sake of an argument. While you are using logic in trying to do so, it cannot work.

mookie9999

reborncareerist wrote:

This is similar to the point I was trying to make in my Richeal Richards thread .

Richeal Richards?!?!? I didn't know that Scooby Doo posted on here! Or is that another lame attempt at "asian" humor. You know, adding "r's" where they don't belong

mookie9999

trappedinmyradio wrote:

if you did the same thing by talking with a deep voice and saying that you're a bull-dyke...she'll be offended...understand now?

Bull-dyke? Now that's a funny term! How do we know that Rosie would be offended by this??? If she was then I agree with the post. Otherwise I think that we are WAY too fucking sensitive with finding things offensive. Is the Asian Al Sharpton going to be suing Rosie for slander?!? For the record I am a white male who has no problems with black comedians making fun of whites. Or any other attempt at poking fun. I sometimes wish that Bill Hicks was still alive to see all this. But then I think about how sensitive this country has become and realize he would have been burned at the stake by now. RIP Bill.

angelica

mookie9999 wrote:

Richeal Richards?!?!? I didn't know that Scooby Doo posted on here! Or is that another lame attempt at "asian" humor. You know, adding "r's" where they don't belong

(call me a hypocrite....)

angelica

mookie9999 wrote:

Otherwise I think that we are WAY too fucking sensitive with finding things offensive.

We may be sensitive. It that is the case, do you suggest we ignore that in hopes that it will go away? That's what's called ignore-ance and denial.

The thing is, if people are sensitive about something, that is what it is. Someone can't pretend otherwise. If people deny their feelings, we get exactly what we have in our evolution right now: a majority of people who have no understanding of how to solve their interpersonal problems (also happening on the world stage), because they are ignoring them. The irony is that once the emotions are addressed and dealt with, they go away. When they are ignored, there are underlying tensions that seep out everywhere. Emotions were a part of our brain functioning that developed for a reason, and when we discard them, we operate in an imbalanced way. Personally, I'm for problem solving. I'm for clearing up issues so we can actually live our lives and have fun. I'm for contributing to solutions, not to problems.