Israeli - Lebanese body counts

NCfan

danmac wrote:

In whose world is the competence of a military force determined by the number of civilans it can kill?

It's laughable how you try to support or legitimize Hezbollah. they intentionally target civillians!!!! The Israelis do not. How hard is it to understand that?

thankyougrandma

NCfan wrote:

It's laughable how you try to support or legitimize Hezbollah. they intentionally target civillians!!!! The Israelis do not. How hard is it to understand that?

They're both targetting civillians, wake up...

NCfan

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

A government has more responsibility to limit civillian death than does a terrorist organisation.

Holy shit that is the funniest thing I think I've ever read on this board, or damn near close to it!!!!!!!!

thankyougrandma

NCfan wrote:

Holy shit that is the funniest thing I think I've ever read on this board, or damn near close to it!!!!!!!!

but it's true...

SoonForgotten2

thankyougrandma wrote:

They're both targetting civillians, wake up...

Agreed. It's plain as day that Israel doesn't care who they kill.

thankyougrandma

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/18/evacuation-logistics.html
...Canadians in Lebanon have described the bombardment as relentless, with Israeli aircraft pounding Hezbollah targets and Lebanese infrastructure, including roads, buildings and gas stations...

NCfan

thankyougrandma wrote:

but it's true...

How can that be true? Why do fucking "TERRORIST" get a pass and a governement does not? Let me be clear here, I don't think either should get a pass.

I think they should both be held by the same standard, but you guys don't. But the funny thing is - you guys are EASIER on the terrorist than you are on a democratic state.

danmac

NCfan wrote:

It's laughable how you try to support or legitimize Hezbollah. they intentionally target civillians!!!! The Israelis do not. How hard is it to understand that?

I dont rememebr trying to legitimize Hezbollah. That's the International communites job,

"Hezbollah is an organized political Islamist group based in Lebanon, with a military arm and a civilian arm, and is represented in the Lebanese parliament and government. As such a group, and as a party to the conflict with Israel, it is bound to conduct hostilities in compliance with customary international humanitarian law and common Article 3, which as stated above applies to conflicts that are not interstate but between a state and a non-state actor. As is explicitly stated in common Article 3, and made clear by the commentaries of the International Committee of the Red Cross, the application of the provisions of common Article 3, as well as customary international law, to Hezbollah does not affect its legal status."

If the Isrelis do not target civilians, why are so many dying? With all the advantages they have, Militarily speaking, Israel should be inflicting next to none in the case of civilian casualties

It seems that Hezbollah with, as zstillings puts it, rockets fired from their homes, and 'only' 12 Israeli civilians killed out of the total 24, that Hezbollah are indeed more specific in their target selection. And 8 of those deaths were in a train stockyard which is used by the IDF for the transportation of weapons.

Figures don't lie. figures that come from the UN, Human rights groups, and, lo and behold, the Israeli government.

This is a war on Palestinians, on Arabs, on Muslims, not just 'terrorists'.

To even compare 12 civilians, Israeli, to the near 200 dead Palestinians is nothing more than burying your head in the sand, and one step short of masturbating over the thought of dead Palestinian children.

blackredyellow

NCfan wrote:

It's laughable how you try to support or legitimize Hezbollah. they intentionally target civillians!!!! The Israelis do not. How hard is it to understand that?

How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?

thankyougrandma

NCfan wrote:

How can that be true? Why do fucking "TERRORIST" get a pass and a governement does not? Let me be clear here, I don't think either should get a pass.

I think they should both be held by the same standard, but you guys don't. But the funny thing is - you guys are EASIER on the terrorist than you are on a democratic state.

terrorist don't get a pass, terrorist are criminals. Government are responsible, elected, and not suppose to commit crimes, sorry that you learn that here...

edit: and stop those stupid assumptions about condemning Israel mean defending the terrorist, it's just plain stupid non-sense...

danmac

blackredyellow wrote:

How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?

When its carried out by the United States Government's favourite bastard son, the terrorist state of Israel.

LikeAnOcean

I'm sick of this one side is worse bullshit. THEY ARE BOTH DOING BAD.. 1 death, 20 deaths, 1 million deaths.. this isn't a contest. War is bad.

floyd1975

thankyougrandma wrote:

terrorist don't get a pass, terrorist are criminals. Government are responsible, elected, and not suppose to commit crimes, sorry that you learn that here...

Terrorist organizations are allowed to operate within borders by governments though making their actions the responsibility of the host government.

SoonForgotten2

NCfan wrote:

How can that be true? Why do fucking "TERRORIST" get a pass and a governement does not? Let me be clear here, I don't think either should get a pass.

I think they should both be held by the same standard, but you guys don't. But the funny thing is - you guys are EASIER on the terrorist than you are on a democratic state.

Terrorists are criminals. Elected officials need to follow international law, at least in theory. They represent the nation-state and the people of it, where as terrorists represent a small minority. It's pretty ignorant to really hold a nation's government to the same standards of a terrorist organisation. I would really hope that everyone would expect and demand more than that from any elected leadership.

NCfan

blackredyellow wrote:

How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?

Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.

thankyougrandma

zstillings wrote:

Terrorist organizations are allowed to operate within borders by governments though making their actions the responsibility of the host government.

bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.

NCfan

thankyougrandma wrote:

bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.

Why not? If the American Klu Klux Klan was terrorizing and murdering blacks in Canada, would it not be the responsibility of the US government (AKA the citiznes of this nation) to put a stop to it?

thankyougrandma

NCfan wrote:

Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.

it's a lost cause, keep defending the killing of civillians all you want, really pathetic...

Pacomc79

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Agreed. It's plain as day that Israel doesn't care who they kill.

Yeah obviously that goes around. Why exactly did Hezbollah launch rockets into Israel in the first place? Didn't Israel pull out 6 years ago? Really honestly, how much of a pussy are you to shoot a rocket and then hide behind a woman and child?

Oh, is it that they want to kill all the jews? Ah. Oh yeah, so they don't care who they kill either.

It's insane that Israel would attack Beiruit. It's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than the incessant attacks against Israel that go on daily and unreported.

All of this would stop, if Hezbollah and Hamas and whoever would stop killing people. Israel pulled out of Lebanon and completely pulled out of Gaza, and this is the thanks they get.

I hate their tactics much of the time too, but nothing short of anilhation of Israel is good for these terrorist groups, all they have to do is stop shooting at Israel and Israel will stop shooting at them, they've already proven it.


Everything in this matter is directly the fault of Hezbollah. If they stop, if Hamas stops, so does the violence.

It pisses me off that Israel is killing civilians who haven't done anything, I don't know why they are invading, they could just as easily bomb the south where the rockets are coming from, still it dosen't change anything. If the terrorist groups would stop trying to eliminate israel, Israel would stop ridiculous over kill counter attacks

floyd1975

thankyougrandma wrote:

bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.

You are right. Lebanese civilians are not responsible for Hezbollah's actions. The Lebanese government is, though, since they allow Hezbollah to operate within their borders.