How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?
When its carried out by the United States Government's favourite bastard son, the terrorist state of Israel.
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
terrorist don't get a pass, terrorist are criminals. Government are responsible, elected, and not suppose to commit crimes, sorry that you learn that here...
Terrorist organizations are allowed to operate within borders by governments though making their actions the responsibility of the host government.
How can that be true? Why do fucking "TERRORIST" get a pass and a governement does not? Let me be clear here, I don't think either should get a pass.
I think they should both be held by the same standard, but you guys don't. But the funny thing is - you guys are EASIER on the terrorist than you are on a democratic state.
Terrorists are criminals. Elected officials need to follow international law, at least in theory. They represent the nation-state and the people of it, where as terrorists represent a small minority. It's pretty ignorant to really hold a nation's government to the same standards of a terrorist organisation. I would really hope that everyone would expect and demand more than that from any elected leadership.
How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?
Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.
bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.
Why not? If the American Klu Klux Klan was terrorizing and murdering blacks in Canada, would it not be the responsibility of the US government (AKA the citiznes of this nation) to put a stop to it?
Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.
it's a lost cause, keep defending the killing of civillians all you want, really pathetic...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Agreed. It's plain as day that Israel doesn't care who they kill.
Yeah obviously that goes around. Why exactly did Hezbollah launch rockets into Israel in the first place? Didn't Israel pull out 6 years ago? Really honestly, how much of a pussy are you to shoot a rocket and then hide behind a woman and child?
Oh, is it that they want to kill all the jews? Ah. Oh yeah, so they don't care who they kill either.
It's insane that Israel would attack Beiruit. It's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than the incessant attacks against Israel that go on daily and unreported.
All of this would stop, if Hezbollah and Hamas and whoever would stop killing people. Israel pulled out of Lebanon and completely pulled out of Gaza, and this is the thanks they get.
I hate their tactics much of the time too, but nothing short of anilhation of Israel is good for these terrorist groups, all they have to do is stop shooting at Israel and Israel will stop shooting at them, they've already proven it.
Everything in this matter is directly the fault of Hezbollah. If they stop, if Hamas stops, so does the violence.
It pisses me off that Israel is killing civilians who haven't done anything, I don't know why they are invading, they could just as easily bomb the south where the rockets are coming from, still it dosen't change anything. If the terrorist groups would stop trying to eliminate israel, Israel would stop ridiculous over kill counter attacks
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bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.
You are right. Lebanese civilians are not responsible for Hezbollah's actions. The Lebanese government is, though, since they allow Hezbollah to operate within their borders.
Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.
their precision sucks balls then...
either they don't care about civilian deaths, or they are the worst modern army in the world.
and would you consider power plants in civilian areas as specific terrorist targets?
My whole life
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
it's a lost cause, keep defending the killing of civillians all you want, really pathetic...
Are you saying that a military target should not be struck and terrorism should be allowed? Should Israeli civilians all be wiped out? Are all Israeli civilians responsible for the actions of their government?
it's a lost cause, keep defending the killing of civillians all you want, really pathetic...
I'm not defending it, but I don't understand why people point the finger at Israel here. Israel is trying to deal with an organization that wants to anhaliate their country and murder every Jew. That is the goal of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. It's like ya'll are looking the other way and ignoring what a bunch of lunatic apes these radical groups are, and then screaming bloody murder when Israel is forced to use its military.
You don't hear Israel calling to wipe out Muslims do you???? When is the last time you heard that from an elected Israeli Official?
Why not? If the American Klu Klux Klan was terrorizing and murdering blacks in Canada, would it not be the responsibility of the US government (AKA the citiznes of this nation) to put a stop to it?
yes and it's all the same, kkk in the USA and Hezbollah in Lebanon, same power forces involved. Just one hint, the Hezbollah is stronger than the Lebanon army...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Are you saying that a military target should not be struck and terrorism should be allowed? Should Israeli civilians all be wiped out? Are all Israeli civilians responsible for the actions of their government?
no, that's what you're saying right there. Tired of discussing assumptions...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Yeah obviously that goes around. Why exactly did Hezbollah launch rockets into Israel in the first place? Didn't Israel pull out 6 years ago? Really honestly, how much of a pussy are you to shoot a rocket and then hide behind a woman and child?
Oh, is it that they want to kill all the jews? Ah. Oh yeah, so they don't care who they kill either.
It's insane that Israel would attack Beiruit. It's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than the incessant attacks against Israel that go on daily and unreported.
All of this would stop, if Hezbollah and Hamas and whoever would stop killing people. Israel pulled out of Lebanon and completely pulled out of Gaza, and this is the thanks they get.
I hate their tactics much of the time too, but nothing short of anilhation of Israel is good for these terrorist groups, all they have to do is stop shooting at Israel and Israel will stop shooting at them, they've already proven it.
Everything in this matter is directly the fault of Hezbollah. If they stop, if Hamas stops, so does the violence.
It pisses me off that Israel is killing civilians who haven't done anything, I don't know why they are invading, they could just as easily bomb the south where the rockets are coming from, still it dosen't change anything. If the terrorist groups would stop trying to eliminate israel, Israel would stop ridiculous over kill counter attacks
I agree 100% with this. I wish somebody on the other side of the argument would explain why this is untrue. If Hezbollah and Hamas would quit trying to kill Jews and live in peace with them, then everybody could find a way to live in peace. Why is that so wrong to believe?
I'm not defending it, but I don't understand why people point the finger at Israel here. Israel is trying to deal with an organization that wants to anhaliate their country and murder every Jew. That is the goal of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. It's like ya'll are looking the other way and ignoring what a bunch of lunatic apes these radical groups are, and then screaming bloody murder when Israel is forced to use its military.
You don't hear Israel calling to wipe out Muslims do you???? When is the last time you heard that from an elected Israeli Official?
i'm not defending anything, i'm condemning it all... keep supporting the killing of civillians and find comfort by saying that Israel are targetting military targets, i'm under the impression that the 8 Montrealers killed and their family would disagree with you...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
If the civilian area is a major operating center for the military actions of terrorists then, yes, the power plants do become terrorists targets.
Fascist. End of, simple as.
That is all you are if, by your statement above, you wish upon the majority to hang the crimes of the minority.
Sounds like the Iraq sanctions genocide all over again. Oh, and the Afghanistani one.
Dirty, bloodthirsty fascist. Racist even, seeing as you cherish and hold the lives of 12 Israelis (civilians) over 190 Lebanese / Arabs.
Is your 'white' life worth more than a black man who died in New Orleans?
Are Israeli lives, as they believe, worth more than a Palestinian one?
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
I agree 100% with this. I wish somebody on the other side of the argument would explain why this is untrue. If Hezbollah and Hamas would quit trying to kill Jews and live in peace with them, then everybody could find a way to live in peace. Why is that so wrong to believe?
It is 100% true... but at the same time that doesn't mean the the israeli army can go around bombing the shit out of everything, killing whoever happens to get in the way (which most of the time is innocent people).
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I agree 100% with this. I wish somebody on the other side of the argument would explain why this is untrue. If Hezbollah and Hamas would quit trying to kill Jews and live in peace with them, then everybody could find a way to live in peace. Why is that so wrong to believe?
It's not hard to understand, but it's hard to do, you should know that Hezbollah as a terrorist group, are not answering to anyone, they don't want peace, unfortunatly, Israel, the government of Israel i should say, is now responding the same way, so i consider them the same way... Terrorist...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
That is all you are if, by your statement above, you wish upon the majority to hang the crimes of the minority.
Sounds like the Iraq sanctions genocide all over again. Oh, and the Afghanistani one.
Dirty, bloodthirsty fascist. Racist even, seeing as you cherish and hold the lives of 12 Israelis (civilians) over 190 Lebanese / Arabs.
Is your 'white' life worth more than a black man who died in New Orleans?
Are Israeli lives, as they believe, worth more than a Palestinian one?
Does it make you feel better to call people names?
Does bringing race into it make you feel better?
Does any of this actually help out your argument?
Is Israel supposed to just accept attacks that are coming from "civilians" and move on?
Are you for the elimination of all Jewish people as these "civilians" are?
Edit: Aren't we discussing the situation in Lebanon? Why are you only referring to Palestinians? They are in a different area. These are Lebanese civilians you are discussing in the first post. Are you aware that these are two separate places?
It's not hard to understand, but it's hard to do, you should know that Hezbollah as a terrorist group, are not answering to anyone, they don't want peace, unfortunatly, Israel, the government of Israel i should say, is now responding the same way, so i consider them the same way... Terrorist...
Okay, well I'm glad to know that we are on the same page with concern to whose fault this whole mess is.
So now the larger question, it's easy to condem Israel, but its hard to offer real, viable alternative solutions.
What do YOU think israel should do? These terrorist hide and operate among civilians on purpose for protection. if they didn't they would have been wiped out a long time ago. Hamas and Hezbollah want to destroy Israel, and in response, Israel wants to destroy them. How can one accomplish the other without civillian casualties? Should this just go on forever?
you're asking stupid question then, the answers are no, no and no...
I know it was stupid now. You clarified the point in a later post. I understand now and I apologize for the stupid question. We are at least in agreement on all of the deaths being equal.
Okay, well I'm glad to know that we are on the same page with concern to whose fault this whole mess is.
So now the larger question, it's easy to condem Israel, but its hard to offer real, viable alternative solutions.
What do YOU think israel should do? These terrorist hide and operate among civilians on purpose for protection. if they didn't they would have been wiped out a long time ago. Hamas and Hezbollah want to destroy Israel, and in response, Israel wants to destroy them. How can one accomplish the other without civillian casualties? Should this just go on forever?
I don't know what to do, i would have some point to make about it but it's irrelevant and hypothetic to this point, right now the fact is, they're bombing the shit out of each other, and yes, a government is more responsible than a terrorist group, in terms of repercussion, Israel will just suffer more from these recent attacks on Lebanon, they're breeding terrorist among the arab population. Violence breed violence, it's a simple concept i think, and if a state like Israel do not seek a peaceful end to this conflict, it will never end, cause it's not the Hezbollah that will seek an end to the conflict, which is why it is in the state responsability to stop and exercise restraint in the way they're "protecting" their land.
One solution could be to arm Lebanon with an army, isolating the Hezbollah as a terrorist group even among Lebanese, but to do this they need help, and right now it's going in the opposite direction, they're destroying Lebanon democracy which will bring back the rogue state and make it easier for Hezbollah, anyway, it means nothing to this point.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
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When its carried out by the United States Government's favourite bastard son, the terrorist state of Israel.
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
Terrorist organizations are allowed to operate within borders by governments though making their actions the responsibility of the host government.
Terrorists are criminals. Elected officials need to follow international law, at least in theory. They represent the nation-state and the people of it, where as terrorists represent a small minority. It's pretty ignorant to really hold a nation's government to the same standards of a terrorist organisation. I would really hope that everyone would expect and demand more than that from any elected leadership.
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Becuase it is precision bombing on specific targets - terrorist targets. If you are an innocent Lebonese, then get the fuck away from people, buildings, areas that you think are involved with Hezbollah.
bullshit, Lebanon is not responsible for the Hezbollah actions, Lebanese civillians are not responsible for the Hezbollah actions.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Why not? If the American Klu Klux Klan was terrorizing and murdering blacks in Canada, would it not be the responsibility of the US government (AKA the citiznes of this nation) to put a stop to it?
it's a lost cause, keep defending the killing of civillians all you want, really pathetic...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Yeah obviously that goes around. Why exactly did Hezbollah launch rockets into Israel in the first place? Didn't Israel pull out 6 years ago? Really honestly, how much of a pussy are you to shoot a rocket and then hide behind a woman and child?
Oh, is it that they want to kill all the jews? Ah. Oh yeah, so they don't care who they kill either.
It's insane that Israel would attack Beiruit. It's ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than the incessant attacks against Israel that go on daily and unreported.
All of this would stop, if Hezbollah and Hamas and whoever would stop killing people. Israel pulled out of Lebanon and completely pulled out of Gaza, and this is the thanks they get.
I hate their tactics much of the time too, but nothing short of anilhation of Israel is good for these terrorist groups, all they have to do is stop shooting at Israel and Israel will stop shooting at them, they've already proven it.
Everything in this matter is directly the fault of Hezbollah. If they stop, if Hamas stops, so does the violence.
It pisses me off that Israel is killing civilians who haven't done anything, I don't know why they are invading, they could just as easily bomb the south where the rockets are coming from, still it dosen't change anything. If the terrorist groups would stop trying to eliminate israel, Israel would stop ridiculous over kill counter attacks
You are right. Lebanese civilians are not responsible for Hezbollah's actions. The Lebanese government is, though, since they allow Hezbollah to operate within their borders.
their precision sucks balls then...
either they don't care about civilian deaths, or they are the worst modern army in the world.
and would you consider power plants in civilian areas as specific terrorist targets?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Are you saying that a military target should not be struck and terrorism should be allowed? Should Israeli civilians all be wiped out? Are all Israeli civilians responsible for the actions of their government?
I'm not defending it, but I don't understand why people point the finger at Israel here. Israel is trying to deal with an organization that wants to anhaliate their country and murder every Jew. That is the goal of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. It's like ya'll are looking the other way and ignoring what a bunch of lunatic apes these radical groups are, and then screaming bloody murder when Israel is forced to use its military.
You don't hear Israel calling to wipe out Muslims do you???? When is the last time you heard that from an elected Israeli Official?
yes and it's all the same, kkk in the USA and Hezbollah in Lebanon, same power forces involved. Just one hint, the Hezbollah is stronger than the Lebanon army...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
no, that's what you're saying right there. Tired of discussing assumptions...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
If the civilian area is a major operating center for the military actions of terrorists then, yes, the power plants do become terrorists targets.
The voice of reason....thank you.
I wasn't assuming. I was asking.
Another voice of reason. Thank you.
I agree 100% with this. I wish somebody on the other side of the argument would explain why this is untrue. If Hezbollah and Hamas would quit trying to kill Jews and live in peace with them, then everybody could find a way to live in peace. Why is that so wrong to believe?
i'm not defending anything, i'm condemning it all... keep supporting the killing of civillians and find comfort by saying that Israel are targetting military targets, i'm under the impression that the 8 Montrealers killed and their family would disagree with you...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Fascist. End of, simple as.
That is all you are if, by your statement above, you wish upon the majority to hang the crimes of the minority.
Sounds like the Iraq sanctions genocide all over again. Oh, and the Afghanistani one.
Dirty, bloodthirsty fascist. Racist even, seeing as you cherish and hold the lives of 12 Israelis (civilians) over 190 Lebanese / Arabs.
Is your 'white' life worth more than a black man who died in New Orleans?
Are Israeli lives, as they believe, worth more than a Palestinian one?
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
It is 100% true... but at the same time that doesn't mean the the israeli army can go around bombing the shit out of everything, killing whoever happens to get in the way (which most of the time is innocent people).
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It's not hard to understand, but it's hard to do, you should know that Hezbollah as a terrorist group, are not answering to anyone, they don't want peace, unfortunatly, Israel, the government of Israel i should say, is now responding the same way, so i consider them the same way... Terrorist...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Does it make you feel better to call people names?
Does bringing race into it make you feel better?
Does any of this actually help out your argument?
Is Israel supposed to just accept attacks that are coming from "civilians" and move on?
Are you for the elimination of all Jewish people as these "civilians" are?
Edit: Aren't we discussing the situation in Lebanon? Why are you only referring to Palestinians? They are in a different area. These are Lebanese civilians you are discussing in the first post. Are you aware that these are two separate places?
Okay, well I'm glad to know that we are on the same page with concern to whose fault this whole mess is.
So now the larger question, it's easy to condem Israel, but its hard to offer real, viable alternative solutions.
What do YOU think israel should do? These terrorist hide and operate among civilians on purpose for protection. if they didn't they would have been wiped out a long time ago. Hamas and Hezbollah want to destroy Israel, and in response, Israel wants to destroy them. How can one accomplish the other without civillian casualties? Should this just go on forever?
you're asking stupid question then, the answers are no, no and no...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
I know it was stupid now. You clarified the point in a later post. I understand now and I apologize for the stupid question. We are at least in agreement on all of the deaths being equal.
He's real good at lashing out, making mindless assumptions and waving the flag of self-righteousness. You go girl!
I don't know what to do, i would have some point to make about it but it's irrelevant and hypothetic to this point, right now the fact is, they're bombing the shit out of each other, and yes, a government is more responsible than a terrorist group, in terms of repercussion, Israel will just suffer more from these recent attacks on Lebanon, they're breeding terrorist among the arab population. Violence breed violence, it's a simple concept i think, and if a state like Israel do not seek a peaceful end to this conflict, it will never end, cause it's not the Hezbollah that will seek an end to the conflict, which is why it is in the state responsability to stop and exercise restraint in the way they're "protecting" their land.
One solution could be to arm Lebanon with an army, isolating the Hezbollah as a terrorist group even among Lebanese, but to do this they need help, and right now it's going in the opposite direction, they're destroying Lebanon democracy which will bring back the rogue state and make it easier for Hezbollah, anyway, it means nothing to this point.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau