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Israeli - Lebanese body counts
danmac
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Can we have this as a sticky?
Ill try updatre as I go along. All help and or clarification welcomed.
As of 17th July 2006, the casualties are as follows.
Israeli dead - 24 (including 12 civillians)
Lebanese dead - 204 (190 civilians)
This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'.
* Updated 18th July to include figures from Gaza, the forgotten theatre of operations.
89 Palestinians dead since 25 June 2006 (44 civilians including 19 children, 3 women, and 3 handicapped.
300 Palestinians have been injured, half of them unarmed civilians.
2 Israelis soldiers dead. One Israeli Solider kidnapped, missing, being held in Gaza.
* Updated 20th July -
288 Lebanese Civilians, 18 'terrorists'
15 Israeli Civilians, 14 soldiers.
Ill try updatre as I go along. All help and or clarification welcomed.
As of 17th July 2006, the casualties are as follows.
Israeli dead - 24 (including 12 civillians)
Lebanese dead - 204 (190 civilians)
This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'.
* Updated 18th July to include figures from Gaza, the forgotten theatre of operations.
89 Palestinians dead since 25 June 2006 (44 civilians including 19 children, 3 women, and 3 handicapped.
300 Palestinians have been injured, half of them unarmed civilians.
2 Israelis soldiers dead. One Israeli Solider kidnapped, missing, being held in Gaza.
* Updated 20th July -
288 Lebanese Civilians, 18 'terrorists'
15 Israeli Civilians, 14 soldiers.
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
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No, it's called having a much better military.
but it's pretty sad it's like a 9:1 ratio
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it could also be called a war crime to kill that many civilians, to each their own, i guess
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
In whose world is the competence of a military force determined by the number of civilans it can kill?
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
It's very simple; Israel has better weapons than Hezbollah, thus more casualities. Do you think if Hezbollah had more capable weapons there wouldn't be more Israeli's dead?
by that rationale then Japan had a better miltary than the US during 2nd word war... i say this because they killed more people... so that must mean they are the bestest warriors in the whole wide world :rolleyes:
A government has more responsibility to limit civillian death than does a terrorist organisation.
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much better military????
I said this in another thread, but it fits here too...
Either the Israeli army doesn't care about killing innocent people, or they really suck at their jobs, because by the last count that I heard 94% of the people that they killed in Lebanon are civilians. And yesterday the made a big deal about taking out one freakin' rocket... they've fired millions of dollars worth of artillery, and they are so happy about taking out one medium range rocket??
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Valid point, but i'd like to be put on record that these people are being killed, not just simply dying. Surgically, systematically, being targeted for a premeditated death is far worse anything you and I, hopefully, will ever suffer.
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
True.
It's a "war crime" to kill one civilian.
But I guess it's a matter of scale to someone who posts a thread sarcastically titled "those poor israeli victims".
"but it's pretty sad it's like a 9:1 ratio"
I thought this was going to say "9:10am"
That would have made it better.
This is a very hard number to come up with since Hezbollah is fighting from residential areas and can easily be counted among civilians since they are not a state nor are they a military.
is it civilian deaths only in this count?
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That's what I was curious about. Are terrorists considered civilians? I'm sorry, some may not understand that term. Are "freedom fighters" considered civilians?
It is, Israel govt. are now as low as a terrorist organisation, they should be judged and jailed, and while we're at it we could judge the USA Presidents for the exact same crimeSSS. I can already imagine the prison cell conversations: "Yo, Olmert, the thing is, they should just stop Hezbollah from stirring shit..."
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
I don't know exactly who is considered what, but when the media is reporting the counts, they are seperating civilians from "hezbollah militants".
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Al deaths are included. When it says 204 Lebanese dead, 190 civilians, it means 14 were hezbollah soldiers / activists.
when it says 24 Israeli deaths, 12 civilians, it means that 12 were IDF.
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
How do they know that the Hezbollah death count is accurate and that many of the civilian deaths were not Hezbollah activists launching missles from homes?
All of the civilian death is horrible but I am not inclined to believe any report on this as accurate. I don't think it is possible to get an accurate count.
It's laughable how you try to support or legitimize Hezbollah. they intentionally target civillians!!!! The Israelis do not. How hard is it to understand that?
They're both targetting civillians, wake up...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Holy shit that is the funniest thing I think I've ever read on this board, or damn near close to it!!!!!!!!
but it's true...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Agreed. It's plain as day that Israel doesn't care who they kill.
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...Canadians in Lebanon have described the bombardment as relentless, with Israeli aircraft pounding Hezbollah targets and Lebanese infrastructure, including roads, buildings and gas stations...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
How can that be true? Why do fucking "TERRORIST" get a pass and a governement does not? Let me be clear here, I don't think either should get a pass.
I think they should both be held by the same standard, but you guys don't. But the funny thing is - you guys are EASIER on the terrorist than you are on a democratic state.
I dont rememebr trying to legitimize Hezbollah. That's the International communites job,
"Hezbollah is an organized political Islamist group based in Lebanon, with a military arm and a civilian arm, and is represented in the Lebanese parliament and government. As such a group, and as a party to the conflict with Israel, it is bound to conduct hostilities in compliance with customary international humanitarian law and common Article 3, which as stated above applies to conflicts that are not interstate but between a state and a non-state actor. As is explicitly stated in common Article 3, and made clear by the commentaries of the International Committee of the Red Cross, the application of the provisions of common Article 3, as well as customary international law, to Hezbollah does not affect its legal status."
If the Isrelis do not target civilians, why are so many dying? With all the advantages they have, Militarily speaking, Israel should be inflicting next to none in the case of civilian casualties
It seems that Hezbollah with, as zstillings puts it, rockets fired from their homes, and 'only' 12 Israeli civilians killed out of the total 24, that Hezbollah are indeed more specific in their target selection. And 8 of those deaths were in a train stockyard which is used by the IDF for the transportation of weapons.
Figures don't lie. figures that come from the UN, Human rights groups, and, lo and behold, the Israeli government.
This is a war on Palestinians, on Arabs, on Muslims, not just 'terrorists'.
To even compare 12 civilians, Israeli, to the near 200 dead Palestinians is nothing more than burying your head in the sand, and one step short of masturbating over the thought of dead Palestinian children.
are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider
god-fearing and pious: Aristotle
Viva Zapatista!
How is bombing the city of Beruit not targeting civilians?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
terrorist don't get a pass, terrorist are criminals. Government are responsible, elected, and not suppose to commit crimes, sorry that you learn that here...
edit: and stop those stupid assumptions about condemning Israel mean defending the terrorist, it's just plain stupid non-sense...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau