Israeli - Lebanese body counts

danmac
danmac Posts: 387
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
Can we have this as a sticky?

Ill try updatre as I go along. All help and or clarification welcomed.

As of 17th July 2006, the casualties are as follows.

Israeli dead - 24 (including 12 civillians)

Lebanese dead - 204 (190 civilians)

This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'.


* Updated 18th July to include figures from Gaza, the forgotten theatre of operations.

89 Palestinians dead since 25 June 2006 (44 civilians including 19 children, 3 women, and 3 handicapped.

300 Palestinians have been injured, half of them unarmed civilians.

2 Israelis soldiers dead. One Israeli Solider kidnapped, missing, being held in Gaza.

* Updated 20th July -

288 Lebanese Civilians, 18 'terrorists'

15 Israeli Civilians, 14 soldiers.
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  • So Cruel
    So Cruel Posts: 10
    "This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'."

    No, it's called having a much better military.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    better be careful or some ppl will complain you've gone over your israeli thread quota for the day

    but it's pretty sad it's like a 9:1 ratio
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    So Cruel wrote:
    "This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'."

    No, it's called having a much better military.

    it could also be called a war crime to kill that many civilians, to each their own, i guess
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    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • danmac
    danmac Posts: 387
    So Cruel wrote:
    "This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'."

    No, it's called having a much better military.


    In whose world is the competence of a military force determined by the number of civilans it can kill?
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  • So Cruel
    So Cruel Posts: 10
    danmac wrote:
    In whose world is the competence of a military force determined by the number of civilans it can kill?

    It's very simple; Israel has better weapons than Hezbollah, thus more casualities. Do you think if Hezbollah had more capable weapons there wouldn't be more Israeli's dead?
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    So Cruel wrote:
    It's very simple; Israel has better weapons than Hezbollah, thus more casualities. Do you think if Hezbollah had more capable weapons there wouldn't be more Israeli's dead?

    by that rationale then Japan had a better miltary than the US during 2nd word war... i say this because they killed more people... so that must mean they are the bestest warriors in the whole wide world :rolleyes:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    So Cruel wrote:
    It's very simple; Israel has better weapons than Hezbollah, thus more casualities. Do you think if Hezbollah had more capable weapons there wouldn't be more Israeli's dead?

    A government has more responsibility to limit civillian death than does a terrorist organisation.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    This is just sickening. So many innocent people dying,
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    So Cruel wrote:
    "This is what the international community calls 'balanced', and 'restrained'."

    No, it's called having a much better military.

    much better military????

    I said this in another thread, but it fits here too...

    Either the Israeli army doesn't care about killing innocent people, or they really suck at their jobs, because by the last count that I heard 94% of the people that they killed in Lebanon are civilians. And yesterday the made a big deal about taking out one freakin' rocket... they've fired millions of dollars worth of artillery, and they are so happy about taking out one medium range rocket??
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  • danmac
    danmac Posts: 387
    mammasan wrote:
    This is just sickening. So many innocent people dying,

    Valid point, but i'd like to be put on record that these people are being killed, not just simply dying. Surgically, systematically, being targeted for a premeditated death is far worse anything you and I, hopefully, will ever suffer.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    danmac wrote:
    Valid point, but i'd like to be put on record that these people are being killed, not just simply dying. Surgically, systematically, being targeted for a premeditated death is far worse anything you and I, hopefully, will ever suffer.

    True.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it could also be called a war crime to kill that many civilians, to each their own, i guess

    It's a "war crime" to kill one civilian.

    But I guess it's a matter of scale to someone who posts a thread sarcastically titled "those poor israeli victims".
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    El_Kabong wrote:
    better be careful or some ppl will complain you've gone over your israeli thread quota for the day

    but it's pretty sad it's like a 9:1 ratio

    "but it's pretty sad it's like a 9:1 ratio"

    I thought this was going to say "9:10am"

    That would have made it better.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    danmac wrote:

    Lebanese dead - 204 (190 civilians)

    This is a very hard number to come up with since Hezbollah is fighting from residential areas and can easily be counted among civilians since they are not a state nor are they a military.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it could also be called a war crime to kill that many civilians, to each their own, i guess


    is it civilian deaths only in this count?
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    PaperPlates wrote:
    is it civilian deaths only in this count?

    That's what I was curious about. Are terrorists considered civilians? I'm sorry, some may not understand that term. Are "freedom fighters" considered civilians?
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it could also be called a war crime to kill that many civilians, to each their own, i guess

    It is, Israel govt. are now as low as a terrorist organisation, they should be judged and jailed, and while we're at it we could judge the USA Presidents for the exact same crimeSSS. I can already imagine the prison cell conversations: "Yo, Olmert, the thing is, they should just stop Hezbollah from stirring shit..."
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    zstillings wrote:
    That's what I was curious about. Are terrorists considered civilians? I'm sorry, some may not understand that term. Are "freedom fighters" considered civilians?

    I don't know exactly who is considered what, but when the media is reporting the counts, they are seperating civilians from "hezbollah militants".
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  • danmac
    danmac Posts: 387
    blackredyellow wrote:
    I don't know exactly who is considered what, but when the media is reporting the counts, they are seperating civilians from "hezbollah militants".


    Al deaths are included. When it says 204 Lebanese dead, 190 civilians, it means 14 were hezbollah soldiers / activists.
    when it says 24 Israeli deaths, 12 civilians, it means that 12 were IDF.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    danmac wrote:
    Al deaths are included. When it says 204 Lebanese dead, 190 civilians, it means 14 were hezbollah soldiers / activists.
    when it says 24 Israeli deaths, 12 civilians, it means that 12 were IDF.

    How do they know that the Hezbollah death count is accurate and that many of the civilian deaths were not Hezbollah activists launching missles from homes?

    All of the civilian death is horrible but I am not inclined to believe any report on this as accurate. I don't think it is possible to get an accurate count.

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