Do condoms stop the spread of HIV? McCain: "You've stumped me."

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

Read the above post, damn poser. Why would you claim to know something you obviously don't? Especially when talking to someone that has put in the time to fully and completely understand HIV/AIDS.

Let me get this straight:

You yell at me for saying that AIDS discriminates against gay men and IV drug users, then you post statistics that show how they account for over 50% of 2005 cases, despite not representing over 50% of the US population?

You tell me AIDS transmission has nothing to do with bodily fluids, and then post something about dried blood sitting around on a lab table and talk about "friction and tearing of the skin"? What do you think happens when skin tears, Ahnimus? It bleeds. Tearing skin and friction don't cause HIV to spread. Transfer of blood from the infected to the uninfected does. Your logic here is akin to saying that sneezing transfers a cold from one person to the other. It's not the sneeze, it's what's carried on it.

You tell me that "society" is responsible for other people's choices, as if society could then be responsible for its choices. How does that work? If you cause me to smoke, didn't something just cause you to cause me to smoke?

No offense man, but you obviously haven't "put in the time". But I'm sure that's somebody else's fault.

Ahnimus

Ok, still don't believe me? Or are you just being stubborn?

Kissing

Casual contact through closed-mouth or "social" kissing is not a risk for transmission of HIV. Because of the potential for contact with blood during "French" or open-mouth kissing, CDC recommends against engaging in this activity with a person known to be infected. However, the risk of acquiring HIV during open-mouth kissing is believed to be very low. CDC has investigated only one case of HIV infection that may be attributed to contact with blood during open-mouth kissing.

Saliva, Tears, and Sweat

HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV.

Effectiveness of Condoms

Condoms are classified as medical devices and are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Condom manufacturers in the United States test each latex condom for defects, including holes, before it is packaged. The proper and consistent use of latex or polyurethane (a type of plastic) condoms when engaging in sexual intercourse--vaginal, anal, or oral--can greatly reduce a person’s risk of acquiring or transmitting sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV infection.

For condoms to provide maximum protection, they must be used consistently (every time) and correctly. Several studies of correct and consistent condom use clearly show that latex condom breakage rates in this country are less than 2 percent. Even when condoms do break, one study showed that more than half of such breaks occurred prior to ejaculation.

When condoms are used reliably, they have been shown to prevent pregnancy up to 98 percent of the time among couples using them as their only method of contraception. Similarly, numerous studies among sexually active people have demonstrated that a properly used latex condom provides a high degree of protection against a variety of sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV infection.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transmission.htm

farfromglorified

Ahnimus, I completely agree with what you posted above. The fact remains, however, that your above post says nothing about blood, and your earlier statements about bodily fluids having "nothing to do with it" are on page 1.

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

Let me get this straight:

You yell at me for saying that AIDS discriminates against gay men and IV drug users, then you post statistics that show how they account for over 50% of 2005 cases, despite not representing over 50% of the US population?

You tell me AIDS transmission has nothing to do with bodily fluids, and then post something about dried blood sitting around on a lab table and talk about "friction and tearing of the skin"? What do you think happens when skin tears, Ahnimus? It bleeds. Tearing skin and friction don't cause HIV to spread. Transfer of blood from the infected to the uninfected does. Your logic here is akin to saying that sneezing transfers a cold from one person to the other. It's not the sneeze, it's what's carried on it.

You tell me that "society" is responsible for other people's choices, as if society could then be responsible for its choices. How does that work? If you cause me to smoke, didn't something just cause you to cause me to smoke?

No offense man, but you obviously haven't "put in the time". But I'm sure that's somebody else's fault.

I said except blood. Open your ears damnit.

I think you are just being difficult so you can cling to your false perception of HIV.

I already explained that HIV cases are higher amongst gay men because of the thin layering of skin in the anus, as opposed to the vagina.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

I said except blood. Open your ears damnit.

You said "except blood" in a later post. Before that, you said "bodily fluids have nothing to do with it".

I think you are just being difficult so you can cling to your false perception of HIV.

What "false perception" is that?

I already explained that HIV cases are higher amongst gay men because of the thin layering of skin in the anus, as opposed to the vagina.

Yes, you attempted to attribute HIV transmission to "friction and tearing", something absent from roughly 25% of HIV transmissions in this country.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

It would certainly help if you were educated on the virus. Which you don't seem to be.

YOUR post #83 confirms what i said.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~blagger/the_duel.html

ahh good ol...lol MT....

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

You said "except blood" in a later post. Before that, you said "bodily fluids have nothing to do with it".

Referring to what you said, saliva, semen and breast milk. Those bodily fluids.

What "false perception" is that?

That you are immune to HIV because you aren't gay.

Yes, you attempted to attribute HIV transmission to "friction and tearing", something absent from roughly 25% of HIV transmissions in this country.

Prove it.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

Referring to what you said, saliva, semen and breast milk. Those bodily fluids.

Oh. Then what is blood?

That you are immune to HIV because you aren't gay.

I don't believe I'm immune to HIV at all. I'm not immune because I'm straight, and I'm not immune because I use condoms.

Prove it.

"That's complete rubbish. It has nothing to do with fluids. HIV is very, very, very rarely transferred through the fluids themselves. It's caused by friction and tearing of the skin. The skin lining of the anus is 1/3 the thickness of the vagina. That is why gay men are at greater risk, but HIV doesn't discriminate." - Ahnimus

Vedderlution_Baby

Only praying to jesus super hard stops aids.


Damn, don't you ignorant assholes know anything?!

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, still don't believe me? Or are you just being stubborn?

Kissing

CDC has investigated only one case of HIV infection that may be attributed to contact with blood during open-mouth kissing.

investigated. the key word. i don't think all 33 million people have been investigated by the CDC.

Saliva, Tears, and Sweat

HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV.

confirms what i said. ALSO; CDC studies are inconclusive until all 33 million are investigated.

Effectiveness of Condoms

latex condom breakage rates in this country are less than 2 percent. Even when condoms do break, one study showed that more than half of such breaks occurred prior to ejaculation.

breakage my occure prior to ejaculation but how does the user know it broke? i never knew. there is also the chance for semen to escape by being moved to the opening; often called spillage.

Ahnimus

farfromglorified wrote:

Oh. Then what is blood?

Obviously it's a bodily fluid and quite clearly it's not what I was refering to. I was responding to the bodily fluids you mentioned. If you put my quote in context that would be apparent.

I don't believe I'm immune to HIV at all. I'm not immune because I'm straight, and I'm not immune because I use condoms.

Correct, but you are at lower risk if you have vaginal intercourse and if you use a condom. Your risk then of getting HIV is decreased to less than 2% if you were in contact with an HIV carrier.

"That's complete rubbish. It has nothing to do with [those] fluids. HIV is very, very, very rarely transferred through the fluids themselves. It's caused by friction and tearing of the skin. The skin lining of the anus is 1/3 the thickness of the vagina. That is why gay men are at greater risk, but HIV doesn't discriminate." - Ahnimus

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

investigated. the key word. i don't think all 33 million people have been investigated by the CDC.

Ok, I suppose you've investigated all 33 million, have you? Have you even investigated one? No? Then shut up and listen to the authority. The CDC.

confirms what i said. ALSO; CDC studies are inconclusive until all 33 million are investigated.

God doesn't exist, and is by no means a valid argument.

breakage my occure prior to ejaculation but how does the user know it broke? i never knew. there is also the chance for semen to escape by being moved to the opening; often called spillage.

Absent mindedness is not the fault of the latex. For future knowledge, don't keep your condoms in your wallet, especially in your back pocket. Purchase condoms when you intend to use them, don't keep them laying around for years. Don't be ignorant.

Vedderlution_Baby

onelongsong wrote:

breakage my occure prior to ejaculation but how does the user know it broke? i never knew. there is also the chance for semen to escape by being moved to the opening; often called spillage.

How bad was the tear? Ive had a condom break on my and I noticed right away. But it was a pretty big tear.

Ahnimus

Oh, and OLS. Spillage occurs if the condom isn't properly applied. Something I learned in high-school sexual education. You are suppose to pinch the air out of the little bulb at the tip. This gives the semen somewhere to go when you do ejaculate. Otherwise it's forced down the side of the condom.

Score one for sex ed.

Pearl Jam and toast

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~blagger/the_duel.html

ahh good ol...lol MT....

been a little while since i've seen a good ol MT barfight eh?

Ahnimus

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

been a little while since i've seen a good ol MT barfight eh?

This is a ridiculous "barfight". It shouldn't even be a question of how effective condoms are, they work to reduce the risk to 2% or less. If it wasn't for far right fundamentalist Christian tards like OLS, that would be operationally true. But because they stifle education of proper use of condoms, someone like OLS is gonna run into major difficulties with them. It's also ridiculous to put complete trust into condoms alone, but it doesn't make them useless.

This shouldn't even be a matter of discussion. The only people that seem to disagree with contraceptive are these far right-wing religious fanatics.

Vedderlution_Baby

Ahnimus wrote:

This is a ridiculous "barfight". It shouldn't even be a question of how effective condoms are, they work to reduce the risk to 2% or less. If it wasn't for far right fundamentalist Christian tards like OLS, that would be operationally true. But because they stifle education of proper use of condoms, someone like OLS is gonna run into major difficulties with them. It's also ridiculous to put complete trust into condoms alone, but it doesn't make them useless.

This shouldn't even be a matter of discussion. The only people that seem to disagree with contraceptive are these far right-wing religious fanatics.

I'll agree with ahnimus. Why is there an argument? Do they stop it completely? No. Do they help stop it from spreading? Yes. They're important, safe, and have a high success rate if used properly. whats the problem here?

Pearl Jam and toast

Ahnimus wrote:

This is a ridiculous "barfight". It shouldn't even be a question of how effective condoms are, they work to reduce the risk to 2% or less. If it wasn't for far right fundamentalist Christian tards like OLS, that would be operationally true. But because they stifle education of proper use of condoms, someone like OLS is gonna run into major difficulties with them. It's also ridiculous to put complete trust into condoms alone, but it doesn't make them useless.

This shouldn't even be a matter of discussion. The only people that seem to disagree with contraceptive are these far right-wing religious fanatics.

exactly, a good ol fashioned MT barfight! The less rational the more classic it is

jlew24asu

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Only praying to jesus super hard stops aids.


Damn, don't you ignorant assholes know anything?!

that is one BADASS signature