I don't think ADHD is going to cause anyone to commit murder without a catalyst.
"Normal" would be if the brain is functioning normally. If you are versed in neurobiology, then you know what that means. However, as mentioned earlier in this thread, thinking of mental health catagorically is probably wrong.
ok, maybe you're onto something, so i'm going to agree with you on neurobiology.
but i do have to remind you that you were the one who brought up the whole brain dysfunction thing.
just because someone doesn't fit into socities definiton of posivitve manner doesn't mean they are not normal. Because societies definition is just an opinion of people who create definition and the rest who follow them and are afraid to think otherwise.
that's what i said. by implication anything that does not fit inside the box is 'not normal'
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God is most likely a myth. If a supreme being exists, it does not concern it's self with human affairs.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
can you have a discussion with someone without mentioning "see my penis" or "see my pants" when they are debating with you? i'm not saying you shouldn't say this, but those guys/ladies are trying to have a good conversation with you and you just comeback with this.
by saying to them "ever made love to a woman" you don't offend them.
Life has always been survival of the fittest, and always is and will be that way. We evolved because we had this drive in us to succeed, and this determination is in our blood now. And yes, unfortunately people are self-centred, i've met so many people who couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. but thankfully i've also met some wonderful people who would help a stranger.......anyway back to the topic.
So next time if i ever want to do something wrong to people around me, all i have to do is blame it all on how poor i'm how much of an underachiever i've been at school? should i say i've been pressured a lot, and then i just snapped? hmm.... there are lots of people in this world who are stressed, pressured and poor and yet not all of the are going around stealing and killing people. why? because they know right from wrong.
also are you saying that you will not be angry and would not want to hurt person who hurt you? imagine this situation, group of teenagers on the street with nothing to do see you walking past them, and then one of them decides that it would be "fun" to burn you alive. so the light you up like a fucking cristmas tree and you burn, then you wake up in hospital and look at your body and you see your whole body disfigured, and from that day you can't walk. would you be so forgiving?? and would you not have a even tiny bit of thought of hurting those fuckers like they've hurt you? no matter what their reson was for doing this to you?
This reminds me of the Christian who says "If it wasn't for the fear of God I'd kill my neighbour". That's troubling indeed, many atheists manage to lead cooperative lives without the fear of God. This individual should be examined for a mental illness, though I imagine the statement they made is rhetorical, as is yours.
On the latter note, I have been burned by youth, when I was a youth. I live in this world too and I do more than my share of forgiving. I have no problem with it. I do not hold grudges against those people. I know they are ignorant. Instead, I'm trying to raise awareness and effectively change society so future humans aren't indoctrinated in our false beliefs.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yes, i do understand and agree with the top part of your statement. as for the second paragraph....ah. these days there are so many diagnosis flying about its becoming ridiculous. ok, so let's picture this, suppose i am a very lazy girl, now if i go to doctor will he give me a diagnosis and give a name to my "problem". Just like depressed people do
Thyroid imbalance, insensitivity or underproduction of PPAR-Gamma, Leptin, Grehlin, etc...
These aren't just labels, they are based in biological fact.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yeah, but i said that it did. i said that even if it doesn't fit inside the box it can still be normal
i was merely stating the accepted definition. i was not saying that it was correct in its assumptions. when i said i was normal in that i'm not should have been an indicator to you in regards to my stance. tis very difficult at times to convey tone on here.
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This reminds me of the Christian who says "If it wasn't for the fear of God I'd kill my neighbour". That's troubling indeed, many atheists manage to lead cooperative lives without the fear of God. This individual should be examined for a mental illness, though I imagine the statement they made is rhetorical, as is yours.
On the latter note, I have been burned by youth, when I was a youth. I live in this world too and I do more than my share of forgiving. I have no problem with it. I do not hold grudges against those people. I know they are ignorant. Instead, I'm trying to raise awareness and effectively change society so future humans aren't indoctrinated in our false beliefs.
wait why should i as an atheist be fearful of god who i don't believe in? sorry i couldn't understand what you meant in the top part.
as for the second, well you are oh so forgiving. if that was me and i had an opportunity for a revenge i'd bloody well use it.....although that depends on what the other person did to me.
i was merely stating the accepted definition. i was not saying that it was correct in its assumptions. when i said i was normal in that i'm not should have been an indicator to you in regards to my stance. tis very difficult at times to convey tone on here.
ok, i just didn't like accepted definition, that's only why i quoted you again.
can you have a discussion with someone without mentioning "see my penis" or "see my pants" when they are debating with you? i'm not saying you shouldn't say this, but those guys/ladies are trying to have a good conversation with you and you just comeback with this.
by saying to them "ever made love to a woman" you don't offend them.
btw, my age is written in my profile
well, i did bring up God...
and with fuckingadministrator in yr profile, i didn't think i would upset you too much!
Then as I said. God does not involve itself with human affairs.
Pascal's wager can be addressed in a different way. If that's what you are aiming at.
Pascal's Wager
If I am wrong and God does exist then I go to hell. If I am right then I die and my existance ends. The former seems to have greater benefits.
But Pascal's wager says nothing of the possible negative effects. If I'm wrong and God does exist then I'll go to hell and my life will be wasted. If I am right and God does not exist, then I won't have wasted my life worshipping a fictitious entity, furthermore, I won't have persisted in behavior based in a false belief, that may result in the suffering of others as well as myself.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Then as I said. God does not involve itself with human affairs.
Pascal's wager can be addressed in a different way. If that's what you are aiming at.
Pascal's Wager
If I am wrong and God does exist then I go to hell. If I am right then I die and my existance ends. The former seems to have greater benefits.
But Pascal's wager says nothing of the possible negative effects. If I'm wrong and God does exist then I'll go to hell and my life will be wasted. If I am right and God does not exist, then I won't have wasted my life worshipping a fictitious entity, furthermore, I won't have persisted in behavior based in a false belief, that may result in the suffering of others as well as myself.
okie dokie, just wondering where you stood, thanks
you're right. there is no such thing as personal responsiblity. in fact, the whole justice system is a sham. No one is really at fault for their own actions and no one should be tried, judged or sentenced.
i can console myself just fine, thanks.
If I've analyzed the childhood and circumstances of, say Stalin, can i still call him a murdering thug? If his dad beat him or his mommy didn't hold him enough, can I still say he's a worthless piece of shit and the world is better off without him?
i think i can. in fact, i just did.
Oh noes!!!! i just labeled somebody! somebody call tha police!
I didn't say that a person shouldn't be tried, judged, or sentenced. I was just trying to say that I don't think a person should ever have his life snuffed out by the state.
I don't have time to find it right now, but has anyone heard of Anthony Ralls moral philosophy?
He basically asks that we don a lense of ignorance. That is, we know nothing of ourselves or our place in society. Then we must choose from the options of social policy. In this case death penalty. All we know is that after choosing we will be placed somewhere in the system. So we don't know if we will be a criminal or not, and we must choose from this ignorance.
In this case, if you are for capital punishment, you have to accept that you might be placed into society as a criminal and suffer the punishment yourself. It's a thought experiment of course, and I don't expect everyone to get the point of it. The point essentially is to forget about your place in society while making the moral decision.
I think the original purpose was to choose between communism and capitalism. But it might serve us well to imagine ourselves being criminals for this moral issue.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
in a deterministic world, the murderer had no choice, he's a born murderer. we should execute every murderer on principle becos we know there is no way they can choose to be peaceful. they're a murderer and have no choice about it. right?
That sounds like a great premise for a shitty sci-fi movie starring Tom Cruise. . .
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ok, maybe you're onto something, so i'm going to agree with you on neurobiology.
but i do have to remind you that you were the one who brought up the whole brain dysfunction thing.
that's what i said. by implication anything that does not fit inside the box is 'not normal'
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
God is most likely a myth. If a supreme being exists, it does not concern it's self with human affairs.
can you have a discussion with someone without mentioning "see my penis" or "see my pants" when they are debating with you? i'm not saying you shouldn't say this, but those guys/ladies are trying to have a good
by saying to them "ever made love to a woman" you don't offend them.
btw, my age is written in my profile
This reminds me of the Christian who says "If it wasn't for the fear of God I'd kill my neighbour". That's troubling indeed, many atheists manage to lead cooperative lives without the fear of God. This individual should be examined for a mental illness, though I imagine the statement they made is rhetorical, as is yours.
On the latter note, I have been burned by youth, when I was a youth. I live in this world too and I do more than my share of forgiving. I have no problem with it. I do not hold grudges against those people. I know they are ignorant. Instead, I'm trying to raise awareness and effectively change society so future humans aren't indoctrinated in our false beliefs.
Thyroid imbalance, insensitivity or underproduction of PPAR-Gamma, Leptin, Grehlin, etc...
These aren't just labels, they are based in biological fact.
i was merely stating the accepted definition. i was not saying that it was correct in its assumptions. when i said i was normal in that i'm not should have been an indicator to you in regards to my stance. tis very difficult at times to convey tone on here.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
wait why should i as an atheist be fearful of god who i don't believe in? sorry i couldn't understand what you meant in the top part.
as for the second, well you are oh so forgiving. if that was me and i had an opportunity for a revenge i'd bloody well use it.....although that depends on what the other person did to me.
ok, i just didn't like accepted definition, that's only why i quoted you again.
when i said accepted i meant dominant hegemony.
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well, i did bring up God...
and with fuckingadministrator in yr profile, i didn't think i would upset you too much!
what if it's not?
yep, i understood you.
Then as I said. God does not involve itself with human affairs.
Pascal's wager can be addressed in a different way. If that's what you are aiming at.
Pascal's Wager
If I am wrong and God does exist then I go to hell. If I am right then I die and my existance ends. The former seems to have greater benefits.
But Pascal's wager says nothing of the possible negative effects. If I'm wrong and God does exist then I'll go to hell and my life will be wasted. If I am right and God does not exist, then I won't have wasted my life worshipping a fictitious entity, furthermore, I won't have persisted in behavior based in a false belief, that may result in the suffering of others as well as myself.
haha, well this depends how you look at those two words
when i said "fucking administrator" i meant "yeah, nothing special just administrator, could've had a better job"
i didn't mean i was actually fucking administrator for a living......erm, if that's what your dirty mind was thinking.
or are you referring to me swearing, so that if i swear i'll be able to handle such things that you wrote?
nor do i.
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i just need to say
yeah, just joking around...to answer yr question for real, sometimes "hug my nuts" is just the proper response.
well, never to a cop holding yr weed!
okie dokie, just wondering where you stood, thanks
ok, but i still think that this kind of response is of no use in here, because i assume they want to have a proper discussion.
that's yr opinion and i respect it
Oh, it's a myth!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
You're a legend!
I didn't say that a person shouldn't be tried, judged, or sentenced. I was just trying to say that I don't think a person should ever have his life snuffed out by the state.
Is your real name P.J O'Rourke??
one of the nicer things someone has said to me!
Might you mean John Rawls?
That's it John Rawls. I had trouble with the name, I knew it was Rawls/Ralls or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls
That sounds like a great premise for a shitty sci-fi movie starring Tom Cruise. . .
-C Addison
Or a historical documentary on late 19th century phrenology.
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