I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice has been served)We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.
If someone stole from you and you were initially pissed off, would you be less pissed off if they were Kleptomaniacs?
Likewise, if someone with a PFC lesion murdered your family member, would you be less pissed off than if they did not have a PFC lesion?
Why or why not?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If someone stole from you and you were initially pissed off, would you be less pissed off if they were Kleptomaniacs?
Likewise, if someone with a PFC lesion murdered your family member, would you be less pissed off than if they did not have a PFC lesion?
Why or why not?
Yes, I would be pissed off because these people are CRAZY! Mentally fucked in the head and they shouldn't be allowed out in the world. They shouldn't be here in the first place...you can't keep excusing these people and saying that they were temporary insane or have mental problems. They fucking killed someone...why wouldn't you want them to be killed? They are obviously defective. You can't excuse this behavior.
As for kleptomaniacs, they should be locked away away for being a thief.
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Yes, I would be pissed off because these people are CRAZY! Mentally fucked in the head and they shouldn't be allowed out in the world. They shouldn't be here in the first place...you can't keep excusing these people and saying that they were temporary insane or have mental problems. They fucking killed someone...why wouldn't you want them to be killed? They are obviously defective. You can't excuse this behavior.
As for kleptomaniacs, they should be locked away away for being a thief.
Well then, I hope you have to sleep in the bed you are making. Maybe you will suffer brain damage and then you can be killed. Once you realize that your fictitious free-will is only an illusion and the brain is what makes 'You'. Then you can cry yourself to the death chamber you supported.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.
what is it turns out that that the person is innocent? so the system releases an innocent person to be beaten to death by the original victim's family thus turning them into murders...who then gets to beat them to death? the family of the person wrongly convicted? I think that people only have to look as far as gang violence to see how well revenge doesn't solve anything.
Well then, I hope you have to sleep in the bed you are making. Maybe you will suffer brain damage and then you can be killed. Once you realize that your fictitious free-will is only an illusion and the brain is what makes 'You'. Then you can cry yourself to the death chamber you supported.
Who wouldn't want to be killed if they suffer brain damage? My will says to pull the plug if I suffer any brain damage. I don't want to live because that isn't LIVING! Terry Shivo lasted way too long...
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Who wouldn't want to be killed if they suffer brain damage? My will says to pull the plug if I suffer any brain damage. I don't want to live because that isn't LIVING! Terry Shivo lasted way too long...
Not all brain damage is the same. In-fact, you could have a damaged brain right now and you wouldn't know it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.
are you sure about that? and i think beating the living crap out of a murderer equates to violence. but correct me if i'm wrong won't you?
and if the victim's family decide to show compassion? what then?
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are you sure about that? and i think beating the living crap out of a murder equates to violence. but correct me if i'm wrong won't you?
and if the victim's family decide to show compassion? what then?
Actually, all murders can be catagorized one of three ways.
Opportunistic
Man comes home, finds wife with milkman, double-murder-suicide.
Compulsory
Man/Woman has neurological damage, dysfunction of autonomic nervous system, uncontrollably goes on killing spree.
Organized
Mafia or Gang organizes a hit on a threatening individual.
We can see in all three catagories that deterrants will not work. They won't stop the opportunistic murderer who lashes out in a fit of rage, because thoughts of prison or being beaten up are not crossing his mind at the time. They won't stop the compulsory murderer because even if he disagrees with his own actions, he no longer has "authorship" of his actions. They won't stop the organized criminal, because the organized criminal believes he will not be caught or arrested.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
it's not about 'crying' insane. tis about actually trying to understand and not pass judgement on people's actions through ignorance.
You really have a lot more patience with this issue then I do. I can't treat murder as some sort of Time Out kind of thing. People have got to take responsibility for their actions.
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!
Well, I personally believe that we are not the authors of our fate. Our brain determines our beliefs, desires and propensities. The human mind develops through a complex and chaotic interaction of genetics and environment. Sociological influences, are arguably, paramount to most other influences. Sociological influences being the realm of collective responsibility.
Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.
Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You really have a lot more patience with this issue then I do. I can't treat murder as some sort of Time Out kind of thing. People have got to take responsibility for their actions.
yes you are correct. people should take responsibility for their actions.but sometimes that ability to take responsibility is taken from them for whatever reason that is beyond their control. i'm not applying this to all murderers mind you. believe mine i don't treat murder as some sort of 'time out'. i just feel that a society that condones capital punishment is no better than the one who murders. they are doing the same thing but with quite possibly more clarity and conviction.
oh and what i have is not patience but compassion. for all humans.
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i am 100 percent against the DP for several reasons.....
cost
arbitrariness
possibly executing an innocent
murder is wrong and i think the DP is murder
and i dont think it is a deterrent
there is not one reason that i can think of to have the death penalty over life in prison.
and i think in general, our CJ system needs a ton of work... too bad we're busy wasting money on other things at the moment which i wont get into in this thread.
I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!
i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.
cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.
cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
I don't think ADHD is going to cause anyone to commit murder without a catalyst.
"Normal" would be if the brain is functioning normally. If you are versed in neurobiology, then you know what that means. However, as mentioned earlier in this thread, thinking of mental health catagorically is probably wrong.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.
cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
being 'normal' means conforming to societal definitions in a positive manner. anything that does not conform is considered abberant and therefore 'not normal'. i am normal in that i'm not.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.
cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
i dont think anybody is saying that it is okay for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes.... and in practice, insanity defenses are rare and if they are found guilty by reason of insanity or by mental defect or whatever the verdict may be... they do not "get off".. they are sentanced to a mental institution or somewhere that they cannot harm another individual.
as for "normal"... in the mental health sense, it would make sense that if you are diagnosed with something out of the DSM then you are not "normal"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, I personally believe that we are not the authors of our fate. Our brain determines our beliefs, desires and propensities. The human mind develops through a complex and chaotic interaction of genetics and environment. Sociological influences, are arguably, paramount to most other influences. Sociological influences being the realm of collective responsibility.
Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.
Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.
Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.
Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.
Life has always been survival of the fittest, and always is and will be that way. We evolved because we had this drive in us to succeed, and this determination is in our blood now. And yes, unfortunately people are self-centred, i've met so many people who couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. but thankfully i've also met some wonderful people who would help a stranger.......anyway back to the topic.
So next time if i ever want to do something wrong to people around me, all i have to do is blame it all on how poor i'm how much of an underachiever i've been at school? should i say i've been pressured a lot, and then i just snapped? hmm.... there are lots of people in this world who are stressed, pressured and poor and yet not all of the are going around stealing and killing people. why? because they know right from wrong.
also are you saying that you will not be angry and would not want to hurt person who hurt you? imagine this situation, group of teenagers on the street with nothing to do see you walking past them, and then one of them decides that it would be "fun" to burn you alive. so the light you up like a fucking cristmas tree and you burn, then you wake up in hospital and look at your body and you see your whole body disfigured, and from that day you can't walk. would you be so forgiving?? and would you not have a even tiny bit of thought of hurting those fuckers like they've hurt you? no matter what their reson was for doing this to you?
being 'normal' means conforming to societal definitions in a positive manner. anything that does not conform is considered abberant and therefore 'not normal'. i am normal in that i'm not.
just because someone doesn't fit into socities definiton of posivitve manner doesn't mean they are not normal. Because societies definition is just an opinion of people who create definition and the rest who follow them and are afraid to think otherwise.
i dont think anybody is saying that it is okay for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes.... and in practice, insanity defenses are rare and if they are found guilty by reason of insanity or by mental defect or whatever the verdict may be... they do not "get off".. they are sentanced to a mental institution or somewhere that they cannot harm another individual.
as for "normal"... in the mental health sense, it would make sense that if you are diagnosed with something out of the DSM then you are not "normal"
yes, i do understand and agree with the top part of your statement. as for the second paragraph....ah. these days there are so many diagnosis flying about its becoming ridiculous. ok, so let's picture this, suppose i am a very lazy girl, now if i go to doctor will he give me a diagnosis and give a name to my "problem". Just like depressed people do
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Yes.
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
If someone stole from you and you were initially pissed off, would you be less pissed off if they were Kleptomaniacs?
Likewise, if someone with a PFC lesion murdered your family member, would you be less pissed off than if they did not have a PFC lesion?
Why or why not?
Yes, I would be pissed off because these people are CRAZY! Mentally fucked in the head and they shouldn't be allowed out in the world. They shouldn't be here in the first place...you can't keep excusing these people and saying that they were temporary insane or have mental problems. They fucking killed someone...why wouldn't you want them to be killed? They are obviously defective. You can't excuse this behavior.
As for kleptomaniacs, they should be locked away away for being a thief.
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Well then, I hope you have to sleep in the bed you are making. Maybe you will suffer brain damage and then you can be killed. Once you realize that your fictitious free-will is only an illusion and the brain is what makes 'You'. Then you can cry yourself to the death chamber you supported.
what is it turns out that that the person is innocent? so the system releases an innocent person to be beaten to death by the original victim's family thus turning them into murders...who then gets to beat them to death? the family of the person wrongly convicted? I think that people only have to look as far as gang violence to see how well revenge doesn't solve anything.
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Who wouldn't want to be killed if they suffer brain damage? My will says to pull the plug if I suffer any brain damage. I don't want to live because that isn't LIVING! Terry Shivo lasted way too long...
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Not all brain damage is the same. In-fact, you could have a damaged brain right now and you wouldn't know it.
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I am seriously.
are you sure about that? and i think beating the living crap out of a murderer equates to violence. but correct me if i'm wrong won't you?
and if the victim's family decide to show compassion? what then?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Actually, all murders can be catagorized one of three ways.
Opportunistic
Man comes home, finds wife with milkman, double-murder-suicide.
Compulsory
Man/Woman has neurological damage, dysfunction of autonomic nervous system, uncontrollably goes on killing spree.
Organized
Mafia or Gang organizes a hit on a threatening individual.
We can see in all three catagories that deterrants will not work. They won't stop the opportunistic murderer who lashes out in a fit of rage, because thoughts of prison or being beaten up are not crossing his mind at the time. They won't stop the compulsory murderer because even if he disagrees with his own actions, he no longer has "authorship" of his actions. They won't stop the organized criminal, because the organized criminal believes he will not be caught or arrested.
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
it's not about 'crying' insane. tis about actually trying to understand and not pass judgement on people's actions through ignorance.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
You really have a lot more patience with this issue then I do. I can't treat murder as some sort of Time Out kind of thing. People have got to take responsibility for their actions.
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Well, I personally believe that we are not the authors of our fate. Our brain determines our beliefs, desires and propensities. The human mind develops through a complex and chaotic interaction of genetics and environment. Sociological influences, are arguably, paramount to most other influences. Sociological influences being the realm of collective responsibility.
Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.
Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.
yes you are correct. people should take responsibility for their actions.but sometimes that ability to take responsibility is taken from them for whatever reason that is beyond their control. i'm not applying this to all murderers mind you. believe mine i don't treat murder as some sort of 'time out'. i just feel that a society that condones capital punishment is no better than the one who murders. they are doing the same thing but with quite possibly more clarity and conviction.
oh and what i have is not patience but compassion. for all humans.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
cost
arbitrariness
possibly executing an innocent
murder is wrong and i think the DP is murder
and i dont think it is a deterrent
there is not one reason that i can think of to have the death penalty over life in prison.
and i think in general, our CJ system needs a ton of work... too bad we're busy wasting money on other things at the moment which i wont get into in this thread.
i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.
cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
I don't think ADHD is going to cause anyone to commit murder without a catalyst.
"Normal" would be if the brain is functioning normally. If you are versed in neurobiology, then you know what that means. However, as mentioned earlier in this thread, thinking of mental health catagorically is probably wrong.
being 'normal' means conforming to societal definitions in a positive manner. anything that does not conform is considered abberant and therefore 'not normal'. i am normal in that i'm not.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i dont think anybody is saying that it is okay for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes.... and in practice, insanity defenses are rare and if they are found guilty by reason of insanity or by mental defect or whatever the verdict may be... they do not "get off".. they are sentanced to a mental institution or somewhere that they cannot harm another individual.
as for "normal"... in the mental health sense, it would make sense that if you are diagnosed with something out of the DSM then you are not "normal"
where's God at in all that?
Life has always been survival of the fittest, and always is and will be that way. We evolved because we had this drive in us to succeed, and this determination is in our blood now. And yes, unfortunately people are self-centred, i've met so many people who couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. but thankfully i've also met some wonderful people who would help a stranger.......anyway back to the topic.
So next time if i ever want to do something wrong to people around me, all i have to do is blame it all on how poor i'm how much of an underachiever i've been at school? should i say i've been pressured a lot, and then i just snapped? hmm.... there are lots of people in this world who are stressed, pressured and poor and yet not all of the are going around stealing and killing people. why? because they know right from wrong.
also are you saying that you will not be angry and would not want to hurt person who hurt you? imagine this situation, group of teenagers on the street with nothing to do see you walking past them, and then one of them decides that it would be "fun" to burn you alive. so the light you up like a fucking cristmas tree and you burn, then you wake up in hospital and look at your body and you see your whole body disfigured, and from that day you can't walk. would you be so forgiving?? and would you not have a even tiny bit of thought of hurting those fuckers like they've hurt you? no matter what their reson was for doing this to you?
just because someone doesn't fit into socities definiton of posivitve manner doesn't mean they are not normal. Because societies definition is just an opinion of people who create definition and the rest who follow them and are afraid to think otherwise.
yes, i do understand and agree with the top part of your statement. as for the second paragraph....ah. these days there are so many diagnosis flying about its becoming ridiculous. ok, so let's picture this, suppose i am a very lazy girl, now if i go to doctor will he give me a diagnosis and give a name to my "problem". Just like depressed people do