Call for lethal injection boycott

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    Who wouldn't want to be killed if they suffer brain damage? My will says to pull the plug if I suffer any brain damage. I don't want to live because that isn't LIVING! Terry Shivo lasted way too long...

    Not all brain damage is the same. In-fact, you could have a damaged brain right now and you wouldn't know it.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Dude...seriously!! :)
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    Dude...seriously!! :)

    I am seriously.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.

    are you sure about that? and i think beating the living crap out of a murderer equates to violence. but correct me if i'm wrong won't you?

    and if the victim's family decide to show compassion? what then?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    are you sure about that? and i think beating the living crap out of a murder equates to violence. but correct me if i'm wrong won't you?

    and if the victim's family decide to show compassion? what then?

    Actually, all murders can be catagorized one of three ways.

    Opportunistic
    Man comes home, finds wife with milkman, double-murder-suicide.

    Compulsory
    Man/Woman has neurological damage, dysfunction of autonomic nervous system, uncontrollably goes on killing spree.

    Organized
    Mafia or Gang organizes a hit on a threatening individual.

    We can see in all three catagories that deterrants will not work. They won't stop the opportunistic murderer who lashes out in a fit of rage, because thoughts of prison or being beaten up are not crossing his mind at the time. They won't stop the compulsory murderer because even if he disagrees with his own actions, he no longer has "authorship" of his actions. They won't stop the organized criminal, because the organized criminal believes he will not be caught or arrested.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!

    it's not about 'crying' insane. tis about actually trying to understand and not pass judgement on people's actions through ignorance.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    catefrances wrote:
    it's not about 'crying' insane. tis about actually trying to understand and not pass judgement on people's actions through ignorance.

    You really have a lot more patience with this issue then I do. I can't treat murder as some sort of Time Out kind of thing. People have got to take responsibility for their actions.
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!

    Well, I personally believe that we are not the authors of our fate. Our brain determines our beliefs, desires and propensities. The human mind develops through a complex and chaotic interaction of genetics and environment. Sociological influences, are arguably, paramount to most other influences. Sociological influences being the realm of collective responsibility.

    Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.

    Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    You really have a lot more patience with this issue then I do. I can't treat murder as some sort of Time Out kind of thing. People have got to take responsibility for their actions.

    yes you are correct. people should take responsibility for their actions.but sometimes that ability to take responsibility is taken from them for whatever reason that is beyond their control. i'm not applying this to all murderers mind you. believe mine i don't treat murder as some sort of 'time out'. i just feel that a society that condones capital punishment is no better than the one who murders. they are doing the same thing but with quite possibly more clarity and conviction.
    oh and what i have is not patience but compassion. for all humans. :)
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  • xscorcho
    xscorcho Posts: 409
    i am 100 percent against the DP for several reasons.....

    cost
    arbitrariness
    possibly executing an innocent
    murder is wrong and i think the DP is murder
    and i dont think it is a deterrent

    there is not one reason that i can think of to have the death penalty over life in prison.

    and i think in general, our CJ system needs a ton of work... too bad we're busy wasting money on other things at the moment which i wont get into in this thread.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    in_hiding79 wrote:
    I don't know guys...it just seems like it's so easy to CRY insane here lately!

    i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.

    cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    genie wrote:
    i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.

    cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.

    I don't think ADHD is going to cause anyone to commit murder without a catalyst.

    "Normal" would be if the brain is functioning normally. If you are versed in neurobiology, then you know what that means. However, as mentioned earlier in this thread, thinking of mental health catagorically is probably wrong.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    genie wrote:
    i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.

    cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.

    being 'normal' means conforming to societal definitions in a positive manner. anything that does not conform is considered abberant and therefore 'not normal'. i am normal in that i'm not. :)
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  • xscorcho
    xscorcho Posts: 409
    genie wrote:
    i agree, too many people have been given names for their so called dysfunctions. What i don't understand is how is it ok for a person with for example ADHD to go about stealing or killing and to then be told "oh it's ok cause you have a developmental disorder" i very much agree with you that those people should be treated like everyone of us.....so called "normal" people.

    cause let's face it, none of us is normal human being. and if i'm going to get quoted on what i've said in here, then please don't forget to describe to me what being normal is.

    i dont think anybody is saying that it is okay for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes.... and in practice, insanity defenses are rare and if they are found guilty by reason of insanity or by mental defect or whatever the verdict may be... they do not "get off".. they are sentanced to a mental institution or somewhere that they cannot harm another individual.

    as for "normal"... in the mental health sense, it would make sense that if you are diagnosed with something out of the DSM then you are not "normal"
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M'Naghten_Rules
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, I personally believe that we are not the authors of our fate. Our brain determines our beliefs, desires and propensities. The human mind develops through a complex and chaotic interaction of genetics and environment. Sociological influences, are arguably, paramount to most other influences. Sociological influences being the realm of collective responsibility.

    Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.

    Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.


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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Our cultures, and mainly the U.S., are individual centred. All lifes pressures are centralized on the individual. If you fail, it's because you didn't try hard enough, if you succeed, it's because you are superior. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a survival of the fittest, self-centered culture.

    Research in child development has revealed how these pressures can lead to mental illnesses and defiant behaviors. There is a chain of causation that can be followed from birth to the death chamber. Many of these causes are preventable, but they are beyond the influence of the individual, the child.

    Life has always been survival of the fittest, and always is and will be that way. We evolved because we had this drive in us to succeed, and this determination is in our blood now. And yes, unfortunately people are self-centred, i've met so many people who couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. but thankfully i've also met some wonderful people who would help a stranger.......anyway back to the topic.

    So next time if i ever want to do something wrong to people around me, all i have to do is blame it all on how poor i'm how much of an underachiever i've been at school? should i say i've been pressured a lot, and then i just snapped? hmm.... there are lots of people in this world who are stressed, pressured and poor and yet not all of the are going around stealing and killing people. why? because they know right from wrong.

    also are you saying that you will not be angry and would not want to hurt person who hurt you? imagine this situation, group of teenagers on the street with nothing to do see you walking past them, and then one of them decides that it would be "fun" to burn you alive. so the light you up like a fucking cristmas tree and you burn, then you wake up in hospital and look at your body and you see your whole body disfigured, and from that day you can't walk. would you be so forgiving?? and would you not have a even tiny bit of thought of hurting those fuckers like they've hurt you? no matter what their reson was for doing this to you?
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    catefrances wrote:
    being 'normal' means conforming to societal definitions in a positive manner. anything that does not conform is considered abberant and therefore 'not normal'. i am normal in that i'm not. :)

    just because someone doesn't fit into socities definiton of posivitve manner doesn't mean they are not normal. Because societies definition is just an opinion of people who create definition and the rest who follow them and are afraid to think otherwise.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    xscorcho wrote:
    i dont think anybody is saying that it is okay for people with mental illnesses to commit crimes.... and in practice, insanity defenses are rare and if they are found guilty by reason of insanity or by mental defect or whatever the verdict may be... they do not "get off".. they are sentanced to a mental institution or somewhere that they cannot harm another individual.

    as for "normal"... in the mental health sense, it would make sense that if you are diagnosed with something out of the DSM then you are not "normal"

    yes, i do understand and agree with the top part of your statement. as for the second paragraph....ah. these days there are so many diagnosis flying about its becoming ridiculous. ok, so let's picture this, suppose i am a very lazy girl, now if i go to doctor will he give me a diagnosis and give a name to my "problem". Just like depressed people do ;)

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