Call for lethal injection boycott

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I agree, and I'm totally against execution. I'm not sure what your question was.

    there is no question. i was just disagreeing with your assertion that one must have some predetermined level of sophistication before they are able to debate the immorality of execution. :)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    there is no question. i was just disagreeing with your assertion that one must have some predetermined level of sophistication before they are able to debate the immorality of execution. :)

    Yea, that point was already brought forward. And I'll admit, my statement stems largely from my disgust with many of the posts. As always, there seems to be a total lack of respect for human life. It's depressing for me, because I have studied Developmental Psychology, Psychology, Criminology and Neurobiology. I continue to this very moment to keep myself informed of new findings. I may not be an expert and wouldn't consider myself sophisticated enough to take part in any policy setting debates, but I know enough to be incredibly irked by the statements made here from positions of total ignorance.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, that point was already brought forward. And I'll admit, my statement stems largely from my disgust with many of the posts. As always, there seems to be a total lack of respect for human life. It's depressing for me, because I have studied Developmental Psychology, Psychology, Criminology and Neurobiology. I continue to this very moment to keep myself informed of new findings. I may not be an expert and wouldn't consider myself sophisticated enough to take part in any policy setting debates, but I know enough to be incredibly irked by the statements made here from positions of total ignorance.

    then you should realise that their opinions are partly the result of their environment. revenge is deeply ingrained in some people. they don't question it cause they don't think there is a need to.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Issues such as these prompt that chauvinistic sense on
    my part that a knowledge of neurobiology would make all
    of us better informed voters, family members and teachers.
    Arguably, the most important arena in which a greater
    knowledge of neuroscience is needed is the criminal justice
    system. In some cases, the criminal justice system has
    accommodated well the lessons of neurobiology. If someone
    with epilepsy, in the course of a seizure, flails and strikes
    another person, that epileptic would never be considered to
    have criminally assaulted the person who they struck. But in
    earlier times, that is exactly what would have been concluded,
    and epilepsy was often assumed to be a case of
    retributive demonic possession (Eadie & Bladin 2001).
    Instead, we are now a century or two into readily dealing
    with the alternative viewof, ‘it is not him, it is his disease’.
    However, there are an ever-increasing number of realms
    in which the legal system has made little headway in incorporating
    neurobiology. In this paper, I consider some of the
    greatest incompatibilities between these two realms and some of the most important ways in which modern neurobiology
    can inform criminology, with an emphasis on the
    role of impaired volition in the insanity defence. First, two
    caveats: I write this as a scientist, and thus readily anticipate
    that some of the representations of the legal realm will
    be grossly simplified. Second, I write as an American,
    which means that the criminal justice system that I am
    most familiar with has some rather unique features to it.
    This includes a society with extremely high rates of violence,
    of incarceration and of recidivism, a propensity virtually
    unmatched in the Judeo–Christian world for
    executing criminals (coupled with frequent cases of conviction
    of the wrong person in capital cases (Acker et al.
    2001)), and well-documented patterns in which the likelihood
    of conviction and the severity of punishment differ
    systematically as a function of the ethnicity and socioeconomic
    status of perpetrators and/or victims.

    http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~steve/sapolsky.pdf
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The point is, you and 810wme are unsophisticated when it comes to criminology and I don't expect you will know this stuff or even be able to argue these points.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    810wmb wrote:
    here's a thought....hug my nuts

    Probably not the best way to demonstrate your sophistication.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, that point was already brought forward. And I'll admit, my statement stems largely from my disgust with many of the posts. As always, there seems to be a total lack of respect for human life. It's depressing for me, because I have studied Developmental Psychology, Psychology, Criminology and Neurobiology. I continue to this very moment to keep myself informed of new findings. I may not be an expert and wouldn't consider myself sophisticated enough to take part in any policy setting debates, but I know enough to be incredibly irked by the statements made here from positions of total ignorance.

    you'd be hard pressed to dismiss my views on the criminal justice system as "total ignorance." get over yourself. your arrogance and condescension are sickening. the fact that you're a wikipedia junkie does not place you one notch above us "unsophisticated" people.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    you'd be hard pressed to dismiss my views on the criminal justice system as "total ignorance." get over yourself. your arrogance and condescension are sickening. the fact that you're a wikipedia junkie does not place you one notch above us "unsophisticated" people.
    At least he spoke for himself there, with that post you quoted.
    You gotta give him that.

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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    revenge is never humane. we may pride ourselves on our big brains and being above the animals but sadly, we are not.


    I totally agree. I also call for the ban of the Taser Gun!
    I'll be back
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    you'd be hard pressed to dismiss my views on the criminal justice system as "total ignorance." get over yourself. your arrogance and condescension are sickening. the fact that you're a wikipedia junkie does not place you one notch above us "unsophisticated" people.

    I can see you brought a lot to the discussion.

    Did you read that article, that book, that other article?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    810wmb wrote:
    ever made love to a woman?

    Yes.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice has been served)We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.

    If someone stole from you and you were initially pissed off, would you be less pissed off if they were Kleptomaniacs?

    Likewise, if someone with a PFC lesion murdered your family member, would you be less pissed off than if they did not have a PFC lesion?

    Why or why not?
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Ahnimus wrote:
    If someone stole from you and you were initially pissed off, would you be less pissed off if they were Kleptomaniacs?

    Likewise, if someone with a PFC lesion murdered your family member, would you be less pissed off than if they did not have a PFC lesion?

    Why or why not?


    Yes, I would be pissed off because these people are CRAZY! Mentally fucked in the head and they shouldn't be allowed out in the world. They shouldn't be here in the first place...you can't keep excusing these people and saying that they were temporary insane or have mental problems. They fucking killed someone...why wouldn't you want them to be killed? They are obviously defective. You can't excuse this behavior.

    As for kleptomaniacs, they should be locked away away for being a thief.
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Yes, I would be pissed off because these people are CRAZY! Mentally fucked in the head and they shouldn't be allowed out in the world. They shouldn't be here in the first place...you can't keep excusing these people and saying that they were temporary insane or have mental problems. They fucking killed someone...why wouldn't you want them to be killed? They are obviously defective. You can't excuse this behavior.

    As for kleptomaniacs, they should be locked away away for being a thief.

    Well then, I hope you have to sleep in the bed you are making. Maybe you will suffer brain damage and then you can be killed. Once you realize that your fictitious free-will is only an illusion and the brain is what makes 'You'. Then you can cry yourself to the death chamber you supported.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    i say bring back public hangings and start clearing out death rows.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    I believe in "eye for an eye". Seriously, if someone commits murder then the victim's family should get to do whatever they please to the murderer. What's wrong with that? I mean why shouldn't you take revenge? Sure it won't bring the victim back, but it sure will let you feel kind of good. (knowing you got to beat the living shit out of the person who murdered your wife/brother/sister/husband/mother/father/dog/cat/etc..to death would make you feel like justice had been served) We shouldn't have murderers locked away, they should just be released to the victim's family. Then I bet there would be less and less violence.

    what is it turns out that that the person is innocent? so the system releases an innocent person to be beaten to death by the original victim's family thus turning them into murders...who then gets to beat them to death? the family of the person wrongly convicted? I think that people only have to look as far as gang violence to see how well revenge doesn't solve anything.
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  • in_hiding79
    in_hiding79 Posts: 4,315
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well then, I hope you have to sleep in the bed you are making. Maybe you will suffer brain damage and then you can be killed. Once you realize that your fictitious free-will is only an illusion and the brain is what makes 'You'. Then you can cry yourself to the death chamber you supported.


    Who wouldn't want to be killed if they suffer brain damage? My will says to pull the plug if I suffer any brain damage. I don't want to live because that isn't LIVING! Terry Shivo lasted way too long...
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."