without the united states, german would be the pre-domininant language in the world today
See, it would be awesome if we all spoke german. Fuckin' eh!
Auch, du bist ein kleines Nazi Schwein!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's bullshit, it would be more accurate to say without the U.S. Germany would be part of Russia.
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Or Russia would be a part of Germany... or at least, some sort of Treaty would have been proposed to give Russia parts of Europe the Germans wanted no part of.
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And we also have to all look at the facts...
Germany declared war on the United States on December 8, 1941. Why? Believing U.S. sea power was serverly damaged or destroyed in Pearl Harbor (which, was NOT part of America in 1941) German U-Boats could freely sink U.S. flagged merchant ships in the Atlantic as acts of War, not crimes on the high seas. Cutting England's U.S. supply line was vital to Germany's success in Europe.
This turned out to be not such a good idea.
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Russia delcared war on Japan the day after the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb attack. Why? So Russia could claim the isolated islands north of Japan as their own. Turns out, these islands served as strategic launch points for future Soviet missiles pointed at the U.S. They also served as isolated research and development sites for Soviet aircraft... that may have been the reason Korean Air Flight 007 was shot down by Soviet MiGs. They flew too close to or crossed over restricted Soviet airspace.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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Or Russia would be a part of Germany... or at least, some sort of Treaty would have been proposed to give Russia parts of Europe the Germans wanted no part of.
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And we also have to all look at the facts...
Germany declared war on the United States on December 8, 1941. Why? Believing U.S. sea power was serverly damaged or destroyed in Pearl Harbor (which, was NOT part of America in 1941) German U-Boats could freely sink U.S. flagged merchant ships in the Atlantic as acts of War, not crimes on the high seas. Cutting England's U.S. supply line was vital to Germany's success in Europe.
This turned out to be not such a good idea.
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Russia delcared war on Japan the day after the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb attack. Why? So Russia could claim the isolated islands north of Japan as their own. Turns out, these islands served as strategic launch points for future Soviet missiles pointed at the U.S. They also served as isolated research and development sites for Soviet aircraft... that may have been the reason Korean Air Flight 007 was shot down by Soviet MiGs. They flew too close to or crossed over restricted Soviet airspace.
Yea man, there is a book called "The Illustrated History of the Third Reich" it goes into detail all of the battle plans and manuevers of the second world war. It doesn't cover anything post-war though so nothing about Russia and the Berlin wall. It's all about stratagies and the different dialog between leaders. The main reason Hitler gained so much ground was because the allies were fucking stupid. The reason Hitler ended up losing was because he was fucking stupid. Like Hitler knew that he was losing but decided to invade Russia anyway, he thought he was protected from God, the guy was really nuts by that point.
I'll have to read the book again because I can't remember everything, actually I can remember very little of the General's names or the actually battles that were fought. Besides the obvious ones, Omaha Beach, Battle of the Bulge, etc.. The book also has a lot of pictures from the war, pretty strange to see dead soldiers laying in the street and civilians causually strolling by.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Acht der lieben!!! Schnell!!! Amerikanski schwineholtzen!!!
Entschuldigung, Ich verstehe dich nicht. Bitte sagst du wieder auf Englisch?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oh hell yea. People I know laugh and say it sounds like spitting, but that's because they aren't really listening. If you listen to Rosenstolz or Zweiraumwhonung the chicks sound hot. I personally recommend "Macht Liebe" by Rosenstolz
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oh hell yea. People I know laugh and say it sounds like spitting, but that's because they aren't really listening. If you listen to Rosenstolz or Zweiraumwhonung the chicks sound hot. I personally recommend "Macht Liebe" by Rosenstolz
It's because they know one German, Hitler and he shouted like an idiot and made it sound a very strict and not beautiful language.
without the united states, german would be the pre-domininant language in the world today....liberals never want to give america credit.
Best country ever
english is derived from English anyway.. so you do speak a form of germanic english.. although with made up words like "pre-domininant" i'm not sure :rolleyes:
I give america credit for spawning retards... there you go, have some free credit
you once called me a moron on here.... I'll call out all your moronic mistakes from now on
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
It's because they know one German, Hitler and he shouted like an idiot and made it sound a very strict and not beautiful language.
Well, then there is Rammstein, haha they aren't any better and have been accused of being Neo-Nazis.
Many people don't know Scorpions were German, so was Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Peter Schilling, KMFDM. Fuck there are so many. The guys that invented Fahrenheit, the Heimlich Manuever and the Geiger counter. The lists go on.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
those were my words, not yours...I was just building upon the common notion that when someone criticizes US actions and policies, both past and present, that "those people" hate freedom and they always blame America...which implies America is perfect and can do no wrong....
and yes, I did read the fuckin thread and I don't appreciate your cussing at me...talk about 13 year old's rhetoric...your pattern of cursing at people shows a great deal about you and you lack of coping skills...
God forbid I cannot cope w/ a borderline troll's (you) reply to my own post. Who's common notion are you building on? Not mine,..seems your assumption that if I dont agree w/ people constantly bashing the US for no better reason than to pat themselves on the back, that I must beleive the US is flawless. Far from the truth sweetheart. Seems you always tail on my posts when me and another are in the middle of a discussion/debate/conversation about the US and your mid-conversation replies are always the same.
english is derived from English anyway.. so you do speak a form of germanic english anyway.. although with made up words like "pre-domininant" i'm not sure :rolleyes:
I give america credit for spawning retards... there you go, have some free credit
you once called me a moron on here.... I'll call out all your moronic mistakes from now on
Yup, Old English was 100% taken from a Western Germanic dialect, words like "I" wich is "Ich" in German was "Ish" in Old English.
Middle English was partly borrowed from France and Modern English borrowed a lot (70%) from Latin. So Modern English has it's roots in German, French and Latin.
I found a big list of etymology for English words that came from German somewhere, I lost it though.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What if 'We'd all be speaking German'?
It would be Oktober Fest... Beer Maids with big tits serving you Spaten Beir from gigantic steins. You'd have a BMW or Mercedes or Porsche.
There would probably be a 'Berlin Wall' along the entire Mexican Border... that should make all the illegal immigrant haters happy. No Jews running the media and Hollywood... no pesky black poor people begging for welfare... you'd think the ones saying, 'We'd all be speaking German' would like it like this.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
What if 'We'd all be speaking German'?
It would be Oktober Fest... Beer Maids with big tits serving you Spaten Beir from gigantic steins. You'd have a BMW or Mercedes or Porsche.
There would probably be a 'Berlin Wall' along the entire Mexican Border... that should make all the illegal immigrant haters happy. No Jews running the media and Hollywood... no pesky black poor people begging for welfare... you'd think the ones saying, 'We'd all be speaking German' would like it like this.
LOL!
Funny. but I beg to differ on Spaten Beir. I'll take a Krystal Weisen myself. (No orange please)...err "Nine Orange Bittah"
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Kliene eine mein liken der lassen mit der grossen tittzen... ya?
Dude, that's like half German, half English. Awesome though.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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what can I say? The only German I know, I learned from 'Hogan' Heros' re-runs.
That's cool, well "Lass" means "Let" the correct word is "Frauen"
But on the other hand, I don't know what "Lick" and "Titties" are in German. I know "Breast" is "Brust" though.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and I've given credit where its due. You are the one not giving credit, and are actually doing your best to down play actual events to strengthen your argument.
right, so on withthe credit thingie.
half the russians who died fighting the germans werent "mother russians" at all, but ukranians, georgians, cossacks and a whole bunch of asiactics from the "stan" countries of central asia.
and the credit for the fact that stalin could actualy transfer this huge "central asian cannon fodder" from the eastern to the western end of russia, goes if i know right to a german communist spy called Sorge. Sorge used to mix with japanese top brass and report back to both berlin and Stalin. he assured stalin that the japs had no plans to attack from the east.
and then, continuing with the "credit" there is small matter of subcontinental casualties in the war - second to only that of britain. all that, fighting a war that wasnt their's to fight.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
half the russians who died fighting the germans werent "mother russians" at all, but ukranians, georgians, cossacks and a whole bunch of asiactics from the "stan" countries of central asia.
and the credit for the fact that stalin could actualy transfer this huge "central asian cannon fodder" from the eastern to the western end of russia, goes if i know right to a german communist spy called Sorge. Sorge used to mix with japanese top brass and report back to both berlin and Stalin. he assured stalin that the japs had no plans to attack from the east.
and then, continuing with the "credit" there is small matter of subcontinental casualties in the war - second to only that of britain. all that, fighting a war that wasnt their's to fight.
half the russians who died fighting the germans werent "mother russians" at all, but ukranians, georgians, cossacks and a whole bunch of asiactics from the "stan" countries of central asia.
and the credit for the fact that stalin could actualy transfer this huge "central asian cannon fodder" from the eastern to the western end of russia, goes if i know right to a german communist spy called Sorge. Sorge used to mix with japanese top brass and report back to both berlin and Stalin. he assured stalin that the japs had no plans to attack from the east.
and then, continuing with the "credit" there is small matter of subcontinental casualties in the war - second to only that of britain. all that, fighting a war that wasnt their's to fight.
Yea man, the Brittish suffered some of the worst casualties on the Allied side. Second only to France I think.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Hmmm, dont thin I've had Franzinskaner. could have, but not sure. You should see my beer glass collection from my Europe trips.
I spent a week in Germany about a year and a half ago, and I developed a taste for it. Plus, it was easy to remember, and I didn't look like some tourist boob ordering one.
It's a hefe-weisen and I believe it's owned by Spaten. Well stocked stores and bars in the U.S. tend to have it; and I'd recommend it. It's one of my "reward" beers. You know, as opposed to the standard "I need a fucking beer" beers.
The proof is right there for anyone with any interest in the subject to discover. What's shameful is how many in the West are ignorant of these facts, and of how many people still believe that D-day was the pivotal moment of World war 2. I think it's a massive insult to those millions of Russians who were killed in the effort to defeat the German army on the Eastern front.
It's all relevant you see. You can twist this around anyway you like, but the allies would not have won WWII without the United States and that is a fact. The allies would not have won without the Soviet Union, that is a fact. Now you can debate until your head falls off who played a bigger part, but it's just a crap shoot.
Without the Battle of Brittain, there wouldn't have been the battle of Moscow or Stalingrad.
Whether you like it or not, D-day was the most pivitol moment of World war 2. If the allies had been turned back on June 6th, 1944, then the Germans would have probably won the war.
Regardless of WW 2 , most historians agree that D-day was the most significant day of the 20th century as a whole.
Most Americans don't view the war as being won by us alone. We regonize the sacrifice by all countries and people's that brought an end to the war.
You are eat up with bias my friend. Somehow you have been severly stigmatized towards America. Try not to hype the sterotypes so much. I can't help but think of the dude in American History X when I read your posts. You need to wake the hell up!!! America is a country of 300 million people - quit buying into the sterotypes!!!
I can't say I've read this entire thread, but I did read most of it, so my apologies in advance if this has already been brought up and thoroughly trounced upon.
I think what's being overlooked here is the fact that Russia never had to face Mr. Erwin Rommel aka "The Desert Fox" f'n badass tank commander of the century.
There's a reason why Russia never had to deal with Rommel, and that reason is that Rommel was too busy giving the allies a run for their money in Africa.
Thus far, I think we can all agree that Stalingrad was pretty much the turning point of WWII. FYI: The person commanding the 6th German Army, the army that was annihilated at Stalingrad, was Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus. In spite of being encircled by the Russians, he blindly obeyed Hitler's orders against his own better judgment and held his position in Stalingrad.
Rommel would not have been so obedient. It was because he disobeyed Hiter's orders to stand his ground in El Alamein that he was able to regroup and defeat the US II Corps in the battle of Kasserine Pass.
So, had the 6th German army been commanded by Rommel instead of Paulus, we may or may not have seen a German defeat in Stalingrad.
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See, it would be awesome if we all spoke german. Fuckin' eh!
Auch, du bist ein kleines Nazi Schwein!
Or Russia would be a part of Germany... or at least, some sort of Treaty would have been proposed to give Russia parts of Europe the Germans wanted no part of.
...
And we also have to all look at the facts...
Germany declared war on the United States on December 8, 1941. Why? Believing U.S. sea power was serverly damaged or destroyed in Pearl Harbor (which, was NOT part of America in 1941) German U-Boats could freely sink U.S. flagged merchant ships in the Atlantic as acts of War, not crimes on the high seas. Cutting England's U.S. supply line was vital to Germany's success in Europe.
This turned out to be not such a good idea.
...
Russia delcared war on Japan the day after the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb attack. Why? So Russia could claim the isolated islands north of Japan as their own. Turns out, these islands served as strategic launch points for future Soviet missiles pointed at the U.S. They also served as isolated research and development sites for Soviet aircraft... that may have been the reason Korean Air Flight 007 was shot down by Soviet MiGs. They flew too close to or crossed over restricted Soviet airspace.
Hail, Hail!!!
Acht der lieben!!! Schnell!!! Amerikanski schwineholtzen!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
Cant argue w/ that.
Yea man, there is a book called "The Illustrated History of the Third Reich" it goes into detail all of the battle plans and manuevers of the second world war. It doesn't cover anything post-war though so nothing about Russia and the Berlin wall. It's all about stratagies and the different dialog between leaders. The main reason Hitler gained so much ground was because the allies were fucking stupid. The reason Hitler ended up losing was because he was fucking stupid. Like Hitler knew that he was losing but decided to invade Russia anyway, he thought he was protected from God, the guy was really nuts by that point.
I'll have to read the book again because I can't remember everything, actually I can remember very little of the General's names or the actually battles that were fought. Besides the obvious ones, Omaha Beach, Battle of the Bulge, etc.. The book also has a lot of pictures from the war, pretty strange to see dead soldiers laying in the street and civilians causually strolling by.
naděje umírá poslední
Entschuldigung, Ich verstehe dich nicht. Bitte sagst du wieder auf Englisch?
Oh hell yea. People I know laugh and say it sounds like spitting, but that's because they aren't really listening. If you listen to Rosenstolz or Zweiraumwhonung the chicks sound hot. I personally recommend "Macht Liebe" by Rosenstolz
It's because they know one German, Hitler and he shouted like an idiot and made it sound a very strict and not beautiful language.
naděje umírá poslední
Kliene eine mein liken der lassen mit der grossen tittzen... ya?
Hail, Hail!!!
english is derived from English anyway.. so you do speak a form of germanic english.. although with made up words like "pre-domininant" i'm not sure :rolleyes:
I give america credit for spawning retards... there you go, have some free credit
you once called me a moron on here.... I'll call out all your moronic mistakes from now on
Well, then there is Rammstein, haha they aren't any better and have been accused of being Neo-Nazis.
Many people don't know Scorpions were German, so was Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Peter Schilling, KMFDM. Fuck there are so many. The guys that invented Fahrenheit, the Heimlich Manuever and the Geiger counter. The lists go on.
God forbid I cannot cope w/ a borderline troll's (you) reply to my own post. Who's common notion are you building on? Not mine,..seems your assumption that if I dont agree w/ people constantly bashing the US for no better reason than to pat themselves on the back, that I must beleive the US is flawless. Far from the truth sweetheart. Seems you always tail on my posts when me and another are in the middle of a discussion/debate/conversation about the US and your mid-conversation replies are always the same.
Yup, Old English was 100% taken from a Western Germanic dialect, words like "I" wich is "Ich" in German was "Ish" in Old English.
Middle English was partly borrowed from France and Modern English borrowed a lot (70%) from Latin. So Modern English has it's roots in German, French and Latin.
I found a big list of etymology for English words that came from German somewhere, I lost it though.
It would be Oktober Fest... Beer Maids with big tits serving you Spaten Beir from gigantic steins. You'd have a BMW or Mercedes or Porsche.
There would probably be a 'Berlin Wall' along the entire Mexican Border... that should make all the illegal immigrant haters happy. No Jews running the media and Hollywood... no pesky black poor people begging for welfare... you'd think the ones saying, 'We'd all be speaking German' would like it like this.
Hail, Hail!!!
LOL!
Funny. but I beg to differ on Spaten Beir. I'll take a Krystal Weisen myself. (No orange please)...err "Nine Orange Bittah"
Oh... Mein liken der Spaten Pils.
Hail, Hail!!!
Dude, that's like half German, half English. Awesome though.
Jaegermeister! Goldschlager! Ha, Oktoberfest mmmm
what can I say? The only German I know, I learned from 'Hogan' Heros' re-runs.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's cool, well "Lass" means "Let" the correct word is "Frauen"
But on the other hand, I don't know what "Lick" and "Titties" are in German. I know "Breast" is "Brust" though.
Hmmm, dont thin I've had Franzinskaner. could have, but not sure. You should see my beer glass collection from my Europe trips.
right, so on withthe credit thingie.
half the russians who died fighting the germans werent "mother russians" at all, but ukranians, georgians, cossacks and a whole bunch of asiactics from the "stan" countries of central asia.
and the credit for the fact that stalin could actualy transfer this huge "central asian cannon fodder" from the eastern to the western end of russia, goes if i know right to a german communist spy called Sorge. Sorge used to mix with japanese top brass and report back to both berlin and Stalin. he assured stalin that the japs had no plans to attack from the east.
and then, continuing with the "credit" there is small matter of subcontinental casualties in the war - second to only that of britain. all that, fighting a war that wasnt their's to fight.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Messing up the Beer Thread buddy.
Yea man, the Brittish suffered some of the worst casualties on the Allied side. Second only to France I think.
It's a hefe-weisen and I believe it's owned by Spaten. Well stocked stores and bars in the U.S. tend to have it; and I'd recommend it. It's one of my "reward" beers. You know, as opposed to the standard "I need a fucking beer" beers.
It's all relevant you see. You can twist this around anyway you like, but the allies would not have won WWII without the United States and that is a fact. The allies would not have won without the Soviet Union, that is a fact. Now you can debate until your head falls off who played a bigger part, but it's just a crap shoot.
Without the Battle of Brittain, there wouldn't have been the battle of Moscow or Stalingrad.
Whether you like it or not, D-day was the most pivitol moment of World war 2. If the allies had been turned back on June 6th, 1944, then the Germans would have probably won the war.
Regardless of WW 2 , most historians agree that D-day was the most significant day of the 20th century as a whole.
Most Americans don't view the war as being won by us alone. We regonize the sacrifice by all countries and people's that brought an end to the war.
You are eat up with bias my friend. Somehow you have been severly stigmatized towards America. Try not to hype the sterotypes so much. I can't help but think of the dude in American History X when I read your posts. You need to wake the hell up!!! America is a country of 300 million people - quit buying into the sterotypes!!!
I think what's being overlooked here is the fact that Russia never had to face Mr. Erwin Rommel aka "The Desert Fox" f'n badass tank commander of the century.
There's a reason why Russia never had to deal with Rommel, and that reason is that Rommel was too busy giving the allies a run for their money in Africa.
Thus far, I think we can all agree that Stalingrad was pretty much the turning point of WWII. FYI: The person commanding the 6th German Army, the army that was annihilated at Stalingrad, was Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus. In spite of being encircled by the Russians, he blindly obeyed Hitler's orders against his own better judgment and held his position in Stalingrad.
Rommel would not have been so obedient. It was because he disobeyed Hiter's orders to stand his ground in El Alamein that he was able to regroup and defeat the US II Corps in the battle of Kasserine Pass.
So, had the 6th German army been commanded by Rommel instead of Paulus, we may or may not have seen a German defeat in Stalingrad.
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