i don't care dude.... i'm just saying just cause my father was illegal it doesn't mean he killed people or broke any laws.... except of course coming here ilegally
sure but its not so cut and dry. do they get criminal background checks? are they working? file citizenship papers? there has to some sort of protocol.
we cant just stamp there hand with "US Citizen" and presto they are legal.
personally I like bush's guest worker program. but since it bush i'm sure you wont bother discussing that.
don't assume..it makes you look like a, well, you get my point...anyhoo..
as for background checks...come on now, how is that going to work...?
if they are working, they pay taxes...if not, they should be treated like anyone not working....(which is another issue altogether)
as for papers, perhaps a protocol can be established...let's say it costs them 250 bucks to do so...that 250 buck times a million is 250 million (or 12 million times 250, your choice)...that could pay for the costs of the system to provide proper papers...
If someone who is not a natural citizen commits a felony...ba-bye...
The money spent rounding up and deporting illegals will be mind blowing. There is no way we can pay for the man power to ship out the people already here and pay for our fantabulous war. What we need to do is figure out a way to secure our borders now and spend less time worrying about who is already here.
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huh? a country isn't allowed to have immigration laws?
realistically speaking... i wish there weren't any laws segregating people as a whole
but of course it ain't happening...
i'm not saying a country shouldn't be implementing immigration laws, all i am saying is that no country should earn any individual any rights of any kind....
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
as for papers, perhaps a protocol can be established...let's say it costs them 250 bucks to do so...that 250 buck times a million is 250 million (or 12 million times 250, your choice)...that could pay for the costs of the system to provide proper papers...
If someone who is not a natural citizen commits a felony...ba-bye...
realistically speaking... i wish there weren't any laws segregating people as a whole
but of course it ain't happening...
i'm not saying a country shouldn't be implementing immigration laws, all i am saying is that no country should earn any individual any rights of any kind....
i'm all for freedom. but we need some set of rules for entering this country and living here. 2 reasons to start. taxes and security.
Exactly what I thought when I read the thread title.
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• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.
The open borders crowd wants this entire country to look like Los Angeles.
how about a source?
I have a hard time believing that only 5% of all outstanding homicide warrants and only a third of all fugitive felony warrants in a major city are for legal residents.
Also, you picked 2 latino street gangs to show how many illegals are gang members? how is that compared to the number of americans in the other 1300 street gangs in LA county?
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the point is that he shouldnt even be here had immigration laws worked, or tougher border control.
the point is, it's completely irrelevant to the situation...
true... deport them back to their country, or judge them as your laws suggest... but the fact that they're from another country shouldn't even make headlines...
it's the same thing like making headlines by saying, "a murderer went on a killing spree AND HE WAS BLACK"
ok, true, he was black, but so what?
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
the point is if our border was secure like it should be these scum bags wouldn't of had a chance to murder anyone.so it has everything to do with being illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
which is more proof of 9-11 being an inside job.if there was really a terrorist threat we would have that border locked down tighter than a toxic waste drum.instead there are illegals coming over in droves!!! and don't get it twisted,it's not just Mexicans coming over that border.
what do you think Mexico does with the aliens that come across her southern border? you get beat the fuck down and thrown in prison!
there is a right way to become a citizen and a wrong way.you have a lot of these Mexicans saying fuck America,we're taking shit over,this is our land.i say if shit is so bad in Mexico stand up and fight for your rights like our forefathers did.don't think your gonna come here and take mine!!!
I'd like to see how many bleeding hearts would be here if it was your sister/daughter!!
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the point is if our border was secure like it should be these scum bags wouldn't of had a chance to murder anyone.so it has everything to do with being illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
which is more proof of 9-11 being an inside job.if there was really a terrorist threat we would have that border locked down tighter than a toxic waste drum.instead there are illegals coming over in droves!!! and don't get it twisted,it's not just Mexicans coming over that border.
what do you think Mexico does with the aliens that come across her southern border? you get beat the fuck down and thrown in prison!
there is a right way to become a citizen and a wrong way.you have a lot of these Mexicans saying fuck America,we're taking shit over,this is our land.i say if shit is so bad in Mexico stand up and fight for your rights like our forefathers did.don't think your gonna come here and take mine!!!
I'd like to see how many bleeding hearts would be here if it was your sister/daughter!!
Like was pointed out earlier, if illegals saved someone from a fire, would you feel that they should be allowed in? It goes both ways.
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isnt it funny how humans have drawn imaginary lines all over the planet and made it "illegal" to cross them? this is planet earth, i have as much a right to it and it's resources and beauty as the next person... and vice versa
To turn the death of this girl into a political debate over immigration is pretty pathetic.
This girl was killed by a couple shithead guys who just happened to be in this country illegally. Had this girl been in a building on fire and two illegals ran in and saved her, would that shape your opinion of illegals? Would illegals be okay then?
Don't shape your opinion just because of these two scumbags. It makes you sound like BillO
Two illegal aliens killed the girl. If they were not here, she would be alive. Those are the facts. Not your hypotheticals. Illegal or legal people still kill, but for it to be someone who does not even have the right be in this country is the frustrating part. We will have attorneys in this country that will fight like hell for these two illegals, which is the 2nd most disgusting part of this story.
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.
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Like was pointed out earlier, if illegals saved someone from a fire, would you feel that they should be allowed in? It goes both ways.
No, I don't think they should be allowed in. I'd much rather keep a murderer out of the country instead of a potention life saver. How many times does a good hearted illegal fall into the situation of saving someone from a fire or sinking car? An illegal alien who has it in him to kill or commit crimes (other than walking across a border) will 95% of the time commit a crime (my statistic, probably low).
Two illegal aliens killed the girl. If they were not here, she would be alive. Those are the facts. Not your hypotheticals. Illegal or legal people still kill, but for it to be someone who does not even have the right be in this country is the frustrating part. We will have attorneys in this country that will fight like hell for these two illegals, which is the 2nd most disgusting part of this story.
again... the fact that they were illegal shouldn't even make headlines....
if they are illegal immigrants that's a story within itself, apart from them murdering the kids....
we can get rid of all the immigrants and, hypothetically speaking, we could have zero immigrants but we'd still be finding dead 15 year old girls.
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huh? a country isn't allowed to have immigration laws?
don't assume..it makes you look like a, well, you get my point...anyhoo..
as for background checks...come on now, how is that going to work...?
if they are working, they pay taxes...if not, they should be treated like anyone not working....(which is another issue altogether)
as for papers, perhaps a protocol can be established...let's say it costs them 250 bucks to do so...that 250 buck times a million is 250 million (or 12 million times 250, your choice)...that could pay for the costs of the system to provide proper papers...
If someone who is not a natural citizen commits a felony...ba-bye...
how's this sound for a start...?
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but of course it ain't happening...
i'm not saying a country shouldn't be implementing immigration laws, all i am saying is that no country should earn any individual any rights of any kind....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html
I dont know, wont be easy. lets start with name, country, social security # (or whatever it is on other countries), criminal history
ok
good start
i'm all for freedom. but we need some set of rules for entering this country and living here. 2 reasons to start. taxes and security.
Exactly what I thought when I read the thread title.
in all fairness though, why would we even have to speak about the fact that he's an ilegal alien? it's all irrelevant to the case....
if he's an alien charge him as an alien but that's all... it's got nothing to do with them killing a kid...
the point is that he shouldnt even be here had immigration laws worked, or tougher border control.
and im not against "illegal" aliens. I want them to have a fair shot at being hard working citizens. and I want them to be here legally.
honestly, that's a lot of words...
if his plan includes a fence...I say no to that...
if his plan holds employers accountable for hiring illegal workers, I yes to that...(I mean real accountability)
If is plan includes a real and reasonable track to becoming legal, I say yes to that...
is there a condensed version somewhere...I'll look, too, but if you had a link to one, I'd be grateful...
ok...
how about a source?
I have a hard time believing that only 5% of all outstanding homicide warrants and only a third of all fugitive felony warrants in a major city are for legal residents.
Also, you picked 2 latino street gangs to show how many illegals are gang members? how is that compared to the number of americans in the other 1300 street gangs in LA county?
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this is the entire purpose of the plan
true... deport them back to their country, or judge them as your laws suggest... but the fact that they're from another country shouldn't even make headlines...
it's the same thing like making headlines by saying, "a murderer went on a killing spree AND HE WAS BLACK"
ok, true, he was black, but so what?
700 miles to cover a what 2000 mile border + cost + it's not hard to climb a fence + cost
ok...
I agree. Who care's if they were illegal?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
which is more proof of 9-11 being an inside job.if there was really a terrorist threat we would have that border locked down tighter than a toxic waste drum.instead there are illegals coming over in droves!!! and don't get it twisted,it's not just Mexicans coming over that border.
what do you think Mexico does with the aliens that come across her southern border? you get beat the fuck down and thrown in prison!
there is a right way to become a citizen and a wrong way.you have a lot of these Mexicans saying fuck America,we're taking shit over,this is our land.i say if shit is so bad in Mexico stand up and fight for your rights like our forefathers did.don't think your gonna come here and take mine!!!
I'd like to see how many bleeding hearts would be here if it was your sister/daughter!!
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Nah don't. They carry communicable diseases because they don't get the proper medical screening because they sneak into the country.
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Two illegal aliens killed the girl. If they were not here, she would be alive. Those are the facts. Not your hypotheticals. Illegal or legal people still kill, but for it to be someone who does not even have the right be in this country is the frustrating part. We will have attorneys in this country that will fight like hell for these two illegals, which is the 2nd most disgusting part of this story.
I am completely correct in saying that:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.
-Enoch Powell
This is up there with some of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this message board.
No, I don't think they should be allowed in. I'd much rather keep a murderer out of the country instead of a potention life saver. How many times does a good hearted illegal fall into the situation of saving someone from a fire or sinking car? An illegal alien who has it in him to kill or commit crimes (other than walking across a border) will 95% of the time commit a crime (my statistic, probably low).
if they are illegal immigrants that's a story within itself, apart from them murdering the kids....
we can get rid of all the immigrants and, hypothetically speaking, we could have zero immigrants but we'd still be finding dead 15 year old girls.
Fuck legals!
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