Can Obama defeat McCain?

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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    as Florida results pour in...


    it's looking like it will be Clinton vs. McCain.


    but this race has been really difficult to predict.
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    It's an interesting hypothetical. As a few have pointed out, the lunatic fringe of the Republican party (Limbaugh, Hannity, etc...and those that are brainwashed by them) will stay home if McCain gets the nod. But McCain may get a lot of independents, and even some democrats. Esp. if he picks Lieberman as a running mate. You also have to unfortunately consider the small percentage of this country that is stuck in the 1700's and won't vote for a black man to be their president. It's sad, but there are some left out there. There are even some that believe that bullshit e-mail going around that Obama is a muslim in disguise who is looking to destroy America. I must say, Obama and McCain are the two candidates I hope face each other in the election. (In a perfect world, I'd say Obama vs. Paul, but I'm being realistic.) I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues (Primarily the war) but I believe he's a good man, who would do what he believed to be right to lead this country. he would not be swayed by corporate interests. Aside from paul, I don't believe that to be true about any other Republicans.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    It's an interesting hypothetical. As a few have pointed out, the lunatic fringe of the Republican party (Limbaugh, Hannity, etc...and those that are brainwashed by them) will stay home if McCain gets the nod. But McCain may get a lot of independents, and even some democrats. Esp. if he picks Lieberman as a running mate. You also have to unfortunately consider the small percentage of this country that is stuck in the 1700's and won't vote for a black man to be their president. It's sad, but there are some left out there. There are even some that believe that bullshit e-mail going around that Obama is a muslim in disguise who is looking to destroy America. I must say, Obama and McCain are the two candidates I hope face each other in the election. (In a perfect world, I'd say Obama vs. Paul, but I'm being realistic.) I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues (Primarily the war) but I believe he's a good man, who would do what he believed to be right to lead this country. he would not be swayed by corporate interests. Aside from paul, I don't believe that to be true about any other Republicans.
    The staunch conservative point is an interesting one, but, i guarantee you if clinton wins the nomination, Limbaugh himself votes for McCain... twice.
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  • Steve Dunne
    Steve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    Just wanted to stop for a minute and thank everyone for their views on this. This is what is great here...people agree to disagree and then agree that I'm always right! ;):D

    Another topic of thought is...if Obama wins the nomination, and he takes Clinton as his running mate, would her name on the ticket STILL make middle of the road Repubs and Indies NOT vote for them? And they could be running against McCain, Romney, anyone...
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Steve Dunne wrote:

    Another topic of thought is...if Obama wins the nomination, and he takes Clinton as his running mate, would her name on the ticket STILL make middle of the road Repubs and Indies NOT vote for them? And they could be running against McCain, Romney, anyone...

    Yes. But there's no way that will happen. Its an interesting hypothetical, but neither of these hypotheticals will happen. No way. After all the heated exchanges between these two pairs, BOTH, pairs would lose all credibility.

    i will add, however that a McCain/Romney team would create an interesting juxtoposition of conservative and moderate republican platforms. A little something for everyone on the republican side.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Steve Dunne
    Steve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    cornnifer wrote:
    i will add, however that a McCain/Romney team would create an interesting juxtoposition of conservative and moderate republican platforms. A little something for everyone on the republican side.

    Very interesting points...

    Who do you think McCain will choose as his running mate?
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    Very interesting points...

    Who do you think McCain will choose as his running mate?

    Don't know, and honestly, don't really care. Giuliani sounds like a possibility. Summer Wheatley for all i care.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    Very interesting points...

    Who do you think McCain will choose as his running mate?

    If I had to guess, Huckabee would be the choice. McCain and Romney dislike each other and choosing Huckabee would help sure up Southern support which the GOP would need if they were to have any chance in November.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    don't be surprised if McCain VP will be teh GOv. Of Florida.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    According to the latest polls, McCain beats both Clinton and Obama:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/john_mccain_match_ups/election_2008_mccain_vs_clinton_and_obama

    McCain 48%
    Clinton 40%

    McCain 47%
    Obama 41%

    with the remainder undecided.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Thecure wrote:
    don't be surprised if McCain VP will be teh GOv. Of Florida.

    If I were McCain I would try and get Huckabee to be the VP candidate. He needs to court the evangelical vote anyway possible. McCain has proven to be a force in the south this year though.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    ledvedderman wrote:
    If I were McCain I would try and get Huckabee to be the VP candidate. He needs to court the evangelical vote anyway possible. McCain has proven to be a force in the south this year though.

    see i don't knwo about that. if Hillary gets the nom. the evan. will come out and vote for McCain. Trust me they won't stay at home. if McCain picks the highly popular Gov. of Florida he has a better chance of getting teh highly important votes in Flordia.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Thecure wrote:
    see i don't knwo about that. if Hillary gets the nom. the evan. will come out and vote for McCain. Trust me they won't stay at home. if McCain picks the highly popular Gov. of Florida he has a better chance of getting teh highly important votes in Flordia.

    i think it is a little early to talk about running mates on either side. As you say, it boils down to strategy and one has to wait until the primary dust settles to best plot that.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Thecure wrote:
    see i don't knwo about that. if Hillary gets the nom. the evan. will come out and vote for McCain. Trust me they won't stay at home. if McCain picks the highly popular Gov. of Florida he has a better chance of getting teh highly important votes in Flordia.

    I agree that the evangelicals would come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary.

    You want to know who is really hoping for a Clinton-McCain general election? Michael Bloomberg.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I agree that the evangelicals would come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary.

    You want to know who is really hoping for a Clinton-McCain general election? Michael Bloomberg.

    I agree about Bloomberg but i wonder if it is to late for him to join up. he is well know in New York but i wonder about the rest of the country.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I agree that the evangelicals would come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary.

    You want to know who is really hoping for a Clinton-McCain general election? Michael Bloomberg.

    Its inevitable. One more reason hillary will not win the general election. A guy like Bloomberg, without question, takes more votes away from cunton than McCain. A lot more.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Thecure wrote:
    I agree about Bloomberg but i wonder if it is to late for him to join up. he is well know in New York but i wonder about the rest of the country.

    i doubt Bloomberg would have any serious aspirations of actually winning. That won't be his goal. His goal, as is the usually the case in these type of situations is to throw a monkeywrench into everyone else plans. In the case of hillary, he will be enormously successful.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Thecure wrote:
    I agree about Bloomberg but i wonder if it is to late for him to join up. he is well know in New York but i wonder about the rest of the country.

    When you're willing to dump $1 billion of your own money into the race, time doesn't become an issue until at least this summer.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    If Obama gets the Dem nomination, I don't see any Rep candidate that can slug it out with him except McCain. The reason I pose this question is because of the 'experience' factor McCain can throw in there. Discuss if you wish...

    McCain would win over Obama because he'll get more of the independent vote.
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