Can Obama defeat McCain?

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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    cornnifer wrote:
    i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.

    I don't believe that McCain has a hard on for for war, i believe that he does not want to lose. I have always like McCain. everyone keeps saying stuff like why don't the leaders have family members fighting in the war but McCain does. he has 2 sons fighting in Iraq. here is a guy, who policically (might) have killed his own run by not voting for Bush's tax cuts.

    of course i say this all as a Canadian who can't vote.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Danimal wrote:
    In a duel? I think it should be like the old video game Joust. Obama and McCain can fly around on ostriches and knock each other off.
    Now THAT would be cool. :)
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  • My3rdEye
    My3rdEye Posts: 927
    Commy wrote:
    Experience means nothing, as the Bush administration shows us. THey have decades of experience, going back pre-Bush I even...and it hasn't worked out so well for them.

    Actually it's worked out GREAT for THEM... not so good for us :)

    McCain beats Obama in a close race.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    SweetHarmonics wrote:
    a bit of perspective, if you will

    this is true.

    my point being, if Rush tells is audience to hate somebody, by god they will. McCain doesn't stand a chance with "real" conservatives ... unless he is afforded the luxury of running against Hillary.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.

    you might be right. Not sure about Edwards, though. I would think, eventually, people would see right through his slimy shit. I feel like I have to take a shower after watching him talk.

    Of course, he's not gonna get the nomination anyway (why hasn't he dropped out yet?), so the point is moot.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.
    Edwards's third place finish in the state where he was born tells me all I need to know about his chances nationwide.....zippo....zero...nada...nein...The sudden appearance of the economy in the race has evened the odds for the Republicans, strangely enough. The other factor that closed the gap was the inability of the Democratic congress to change the course of the Iraqi occupation (it ain't a war no more, people) or to do anything of real merit.

    Obama vs. McCain would be a decent, hopefully well fought, campaign. The rest of the Republican pack doesn't really have a chance.
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Well, according to the polls listed at realclearpolitics.com, McCain vs Obama is a toss-up. Obama would handily beat the other reps head to head.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

    .

    This actually is fairly accurate.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    This actually is fairly accurate.


    No kidding...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

    .
    That's true of any politician anywhere in the world.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    tybird wrote:
    That's true of any politician anywhere in the world.

    Eh, I don't know. Some are slicker than others. Bill Clinton basically smooth-talked his way into the White House. Nobody had heard of him when the primaries started. Then he started feeling everybody's pain, and the rest is history.

    Everybody's favorite junior senator from Illinois (Obama) is the same way. Hell, listening to him talk makes ME want to vote for him -- and if you examine his policies, he's further away from me ideologically than any other candidate.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Eh, I don't know. Some are slicker than others. Bill Clinton basically smooth-talked his way into the White House. Nobody had heard of him when the primaries started. Then he started feeling everybody's pain, and the rest is history.

    Everybody's favorite junior senator from Illinois (Obama) is the same way. Hell, listening to him talk makes ME want to vote for him -- and if you examine his policies, he's further away from me ideologically than any other candidate.
    Some just have more room to talk than others.......in other words, the point of no return is further away for some....or some have better handlers.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Eh, I don't know. Some are slicker than others. Bill Clinton basically smooth-talked his way into the White House. Nobody had heard of him when the primaries started. Then he started feeling everybody's pain, and the rest is history.

    Everybody's favorite junior senator from Illinois (Obama) is the same way. Hell, listening to him talk makes ME want to vote for him -- and if you examine his policies, he's further away from me ideologically than any other candidate.

    That's a good point. You seem to pehaps "like" him even if you don't want him as president. But if you were more like a good chunk of voters--don't really know what your ideology is--you'd probably vote for him. Likability goes a long way. And like Clinton, Obama may be one of those guys that talks his way INTO a victory, as opposed to out of one.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    That's a good point. You seem to pehaps "like" him even if you don't want him as president. But if you were more like a good chunk of voters--don't really know what your ideology is--you'd probably vote for him. Likability goes a long way. And like Clinton, Obama may be one of those guys that talks his way INTO a victory, as opposed to out of one.

    yes, that is exactly what I was getting at.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,953
    can obomb defeat mccain?????

    no
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    tybird wrote:
    That's true of any politician anywhere in the world.

    in varying degrees ;)
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

    .

    what do you mean by this?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Oh yeah, I think you're probably right.

    The way I look at it:

    McCain vs. Obama = Repubs at least has a chance.
    Any other Repub vs. Obama = Repubs have no chance
    Any Repub vs. Clinton = Dems have no chance

    agree

    I think clintons done....
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Everybody's favorite junior senator from Illinois (Obama) is the same way. Hell, listening to him talk makes ME want to vote for him -- and if you examine his policies, he's further away from me ideologically than any other candidate.

    he truely seems genuine.....I'am a physical conservative...so really worry about increasing government, entitlements and such, but think the benefits will far outweigh the negatives..
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