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Can Obama defeat McCain?

Steve DunneSteve Dunne Posts: 4,965
edited December 2008 in A Moving Train
If Obama gets the Dem nomination, I don't see any Rep candidate that can slug it out with him except McCain. The reason I pose this question is because of the 'experience' factor McCain can throw in there. Discuss if you wish...
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Steve Dunne wrote:
    If Obama gets the Dem nomination, I don't see any Rep candidate that can slug it out with him except McCain. The reason I pose this question is because of the 'experience' factor McCain can throw in there. Discuss if you wish...


    What is so great about "experience"?

    Is he trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverant?

    If so he'll make a good statesman, being in Washington longer only serves to encourage corruption.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    I don't think Obama vs. McCain is an issue. McCain won't be getting the nomination.

    But if he does--

    "Experience" could work against McCain. Isn't he 71 years old? How old was Reagan when he was elected. That would have hurt Reagan if he was not so popular and if Carter was not such a dud.

    If it is Obama vs. McCain, Obama should just sell out and hire Carl Rove. He'll smear McCain good. ;)
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  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    I'm a casual political observer. So, I'm not basing this on anything other than my own gut feelings.

    McCain comes off like a bit of a nutter. He just promised that he will follow Osama Bin Laden to the "gates of hell" to catch him. At one point, last year, I kind of liked McCain. Now? He comes off sounding kind of desperate with comments like that. Who really believes when people say crap like that? I know politicians say weird stuff all the time, but that one actually made me laugh out loud. "Gates of hell".

    I really think that Obama could beat McCain. I really am not basing my opinion on anything inparticular. Obama appears to be on such a roll with his "change" campaign. With McCain, you really have more of the same considering he's been in Washington for like...100 years. :p
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Experience means nothing, as the Bush administration shows us. THey have decades of experience, going back pre-Bush I even...and it hasn't worked out so well for them.
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    although i like McCain, i don't see him beating Obama. not that i think Obama will make a great or good pres. i just think that Obama has the power right now. of course will come down to the independents. both are very popular with the independents.
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    I think McCain is only around to detract from Romney and try to prop up Giuliani.

    :D

    I don't see him having legs at all beyond New Hampshire.
    I'm not even sure about his real chances in NH.

    He shot himself in the fucking foot at the ABC debate this weekend.

    He came off as THE most pompous piece of shit eating, smug grin wearing, insane psycho laughing, demeaning, condescending doucherocket of a gobknobbler!
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  • pearljammerbeckpearljammerbeck Posts: 70
    I think McCain is the best "mainstream" candidate from eithe rparty right now, but the best overall candidate in my opinion is Jimmy Tide. It's just too bad the media doesn't give him any attention because he doesn't just parrot what everyone else says.
  • Steve DunneSteve Dunne Posts: 4,965
    bump...to see if the original post is still relevant. possibly.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    The answer to the question posed by the OP is a definite "YES". Obama beats McCain. The "experience" thing will not matter.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    cornnifer wrote:
    The answer to the question posed by the OP is a definite "YES". Obama beats McCain. The "experience" thing will not matter.

    I'd call it a probable yes. Obama probably beats McCain. But I think McCain would be the Republicans' best chance against Obama. Not saying he would win, but I wager he's the only one who can make it close.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'd call it a probable yes. Obama probably beats McCain. But I think McCain would be the Republicans' best chance against Obama. Not saying he would win, but I wager he's the only one who can make it close.

    i don't have a problem agreeing with that. McCain also has some independent support which is absolutely ESSENTIAL in a general election. This is why McCain destroys hillary cunton in a general election. In a fight with Obama for the hearts and votes of independent voters, however, i think McCain loses.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    cornnifer wrote:
    i don't have a problem agreeing with that. McCain also has some independent support which is absolutely ESSENTIAL in a general election. This is why McCain destroys hillary cunton in a general election. In a fight with Obama for the hearts and votes of independent voters, however, i think McCain loses.

    Oh yeah, I think you're probably right.

    The way I look at it:

    McCain vs. Obama = Repubs at least has a chance.
    Any other Repub vs. Obama = Repubs have no chance
    Any Repub vs. Clinton = Dems have no chance
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Oh yeah, I think you're probably right.

    The way I look at it:

    McCain vs. Obama = Repubs at least has a chance.
    Any other Repub vs. Obama = Repubs have no chance
    Any Repub vs. Clinton = Dems have no chance

    i think you've got it about right.

    i think you overestimate McCain's chances against Obama though ;) .
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    cornnifer wrote:
    i think you've got it about right.

    i think you overestimate McCain's chances against Obama though ;) .

    You might be right. Like I said, I don't give McCain much of a chance. Just some. he can attract *some* of the independents that none of the other Republicans can.

    The only downside is there are a lot of Republicans who wouldn't vote for him.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    slightofjeff wrote:
    You might be right. Like I said, I don't give McCain much of a chance. Just some. he can attract *some* of the independents that none of the other Republicans can.

    The only downside is there are a lot of Republicans who wouldn't vote for him.

    i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    cornnifer wrote:
    i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.

    Go read some conservative web sites, like National Review and what not. They fuckin' hate the guy. Rush Limbaugh -- the grand poobah of the conservative movement -- thinks his nomination will sound the death knell for the Republican party as we know it.

    He really is too far to the middle on a lot of issues for conservative tastes. Immigration. Tax cuts. Campaign finance reform. Basically, the reason independents like him is the reason conservatives despise his ass.

    Now, he would beat Hillary, because as much as these guys hate McCain, they hate Hill even more.
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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,301
    IMO, If Clinton wins she can and will be defeated. If Obama wins nobody on the Republican side will beat him!
  • SweetHarmonicsSweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Rush Limbaugh -- the grand poobah of the conservative movement (who, as a known fact, exists in an opiate-induced world of delusion)

    a bit of perspective, if you will
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  • satansbedbugssatansbedbugs On Tour Posts: 2,412
    mca47 wrote:
    IMO, If Clinton wins she can and will be defeated. If Obama wins nobody on the Republican side will beat him!


    IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.
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  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    In a duel? I think it should be like the old video game Joust. Obama and McCain can fly around on ostriches and knock each other off.
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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    cornnifer wrote:
    i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.

    I don't believe that McCain has a hard on for for war, i believe that he does not want to lose. I have always like McCain. everyone keeps saying stuff like why don't the leaders have family members fighting in the war but McCain does. he has 2 sons fighting in Iraq. here is a guy, who policically (might) have killed his own run by not voting for Bush's tax cuts.

    of course i say this all as a Canadian who can't vote.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Danimal wrote:
    In a duel? I think it should be like the old video game Joust. Obama and McCain can fly around on ostriches and knock each other off.
    Now THAT would be cool. :)
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  • My3rdEyeMy3rdEye Posts: 927
    Commy wrote:
    Experience means nothing, as the Bush administration shows us. THey have decades of experience, going back pre-Bush I even...and it hasn't worked out so well for them.

    Actually it's worked out GREAT for THEM... not so good for us :)

    McCain beats Obama in a close race.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    SweetHarmonics wrote:
    a bit of perspective, if you will

    this is true.

    my point being, if Rush tells is audience to hate somebody, by god they will. McCain doesn't stand a chance with "real" conservatives ... unless he is afforded the luxury of running against Hillary.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.

    you might be right. Not sure about Edwards, though. I would think, eventually, people would see right through his slimy shit. I feel like I have to take a shower after watching him talk.

    Of course, he's not gonna get the nomination anyway (why hasn't he dropped out yet?), so the point is moot.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    satansbedbugs wrote:
    IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.
    Edwards's third place finish in the state where he was born tells me all I need to know about his chances nationwide.....zippo....zero...nada...nein...The sudden appearance of the economy in the race has evened the odds for the Republicans, strangely enough. The other factor that closed the gap was the inability of the Democratic congress to change the course of the Iraqi occupation (it ain't a war no more, people) or to do anything of real merit.

    Obama vs. McCain would be a decent, hopefully well fought, campaign. The rest of the Republican pack doesn't really have a chance.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Well, according to the polls listed at realclearpolitics.com, McCain vs Obama is a toss-up. Obama would handily beat the other reps head to head.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If you let McCain talk long and hard enough...he'll beat himself.

    .

    This actually is fairly accurate.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    This actually is fairly accurate.


    No kidding...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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