Can Obama defeat McCain?

Steve Dunne

If Obama gets the Dem nomination, I don't see any Rep candidate that can slug it out with him except McCain. The reason I pose this question is because of the 'experience' factor McCain can throw in there. Discuss if you wish...

Pacomc79

Steve Dunne wrote:

If Obama gets the Dem nomination, I don't see any Rep candidate that can slug it out with him except McCain. The reason I pose this question is because of the 'experience' factor McCain can throw in there. Discuss if you wish...

What is so great about "experience"?

Is he trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverant?

If so he'll make a good statesman, being in Washington longer only serves to encourage corruption.

Uncle Leo

I don't think Obama vs. McCain is an issue. McCain won't be getting the nomination.

But if he does--

"Experience" could work against McCain. Isn't he 71 years old? How old was Reagan when he was elected. That would have hurt Reagan if he was not so popular and if Carter was not such a dud.

If it is Obama vs. McCain, Obama should just sell out and hire Carl Rove. He'll smear McCain good.

anotherclone

I'm a casual political observer. So, I'm not basing this on anything other than my own gut feelings.

McCain comes off like a bit of a nutter. He just promised that he will follow Osama Bin Laden to the "gates of hell" to catch him. At one point, last year, I kind of liked McCain. Now? He comes off sounding kind of desperate with comments like that. Who really believes when people say crap like that? I know politicians say weird stuff all the time, but that one actually made me laugh out loud. "Gates of hell".

I really think that Obama could beat McCain. I really am not basing my opinion on anything inparticular. Obama appears to be on such a roll with his "change" campaign. With McCain, you really have more of the same considering he's been in Washington for like...100 years.

Commy

Experience means nothing, as the Bush administration shows us. THey have decades of experience, going back pre-Bush I even...and it hasn't worked out so well for them.

Thecure

although i like McCain, i don't see him beating Obama. not that i think Obama will make a great or good pres. i just think that Obama has the power right now. of course will come down to the independents. both are very popular with the independents.

DriftingByTheStorm

I think McCain is only around to detract from Romney and try to prop up Giuliani.



I don't see him having legs at all beyond New Hampshire.
I'm not even sure about his real chances in NH.

He shot himself in the fucking foot at the ABC debate this weekend.

He came off as THE most pompous piece of shit eating, smug grin wearing, insane psycho laughing, demeaning, condescending doucherocket of a gobknobbler!

pearljammerbeck

I think McCain is the best "mainstream" candidate from eithe rparty right now, but the best overall candidate in my opinion is Jimmy Tide. It's just too bad the media doesn't give him any attention because he doesn't just parrot what everyone else says.

Steve Dunne

bump...to see if the original post is still relevant. possibly.

cornnifer

The answer to the question posed by the OP is a definite "YES". Obama beats McCain. The "experience" thing will not matter.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

The answer to the question posed by the OP is a definite "YES". Obama beats McCain. The "experience" thing will not matter.

I'd call it a probable yes. Obama probably beats McCain. But I think McCain would be the Republicans' best chance against Obama. Not saying he would win, but I wager he's the only one who can make it close.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

I'd call it a probable yes. Obama probably beats McCain. But I think McCain would be the Republicans' best chance against Obama. Not saying he would win, but I wager he's the only one who can make it close.

i don't have a problem agreeing with that. McCain also has some independent support which is absolutely ESSENTIAL in a general election. This is why McCain destroys hillary cunton in a general election. In a fight with Obama for the hearts and votes of independent voters, however, i think McCain loses.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

i don't have a problem agreeing with that. McCain also has some independent support which is absolutely ESSENTIAL in a general election. This is why McCain destroys hillary cunton in a general election. In a fight with Obama for the hearts and votes of independent voters, however, i think McCain loses.

Oh yeah, I think you're probably right.

The way I look at it:

McCain vs. Obama = Repubs at least has a chance.
Any other Repub vs. Obama = Repubs have no chance
Any Repub vs. Clinton = Dems have no chance

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

Oh yeah, I think you're probably right.

The way I look at it:

McCain vs. Obama = Repubs at least has a chance.
Any other Repub vs. Obama = Repubs have no chance
Any Repub vs. Clinton = Dems have no chance

i think you've got it about right.

i think you overestimate McCain's chances against Obama though .

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

i think you've got it about right.

i think you overestimate McCain's chances against Obama though .

You might be right. Like I said, I don't give McCain much of a chance. Just some. he can attract *some* of the independents that none of the other Republicans can.

The only downside is there are a lot of Republicans who wouldn't vote for him.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

You might be right. Like I said, I don't give McCain much of a chance. Just some. he can attract *some* of the independents that none of the other Republicans can.

The only downside is there are a lot of Republicans who wouldn't vote for him.

i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

i don't know. Republicans will vote for him. He seems to have the biggest hard-on for war of all the candidates on that side of the aisle. i guarantee, if hillary is the nominee, EVERY republican votes for him, and some democrats just may jump ship as well.

Go read some conservative web sites, like National Review and what not. They fuckin' hate the guy. Rush Limbaugh -- the grand poobah of the conservative movement -- thinks his nomination will sound the death knell for the Republican party as we know it.

He really is too far to the middle on a lot of issues for conservative tastes. Immigration. Tax cuts. Campaign finance reform. Basically, the reason independents like him is the reason conservatives despise his ass.

Now, he would beat Hillary, because as much as these guys hate McCain, they hate Hill even more.

mca47

IMO, If Clinton wins she can and will be defeated. If Obama wins nobody on the Republican side will beat him!

SweetHarmonics

slightofjeff wrote:

Rush Limbaugh -- the grand poobah of the conservative movement (who, as a known fact, exists in an opiate-induced world of delusion)

a bit of perspective, if you will

satansbedbugs

mca47 wrote:

IMO, If Clinton wins she can and will be defeated. If Obama wins nobody on the Republican side will beat him!

IMO Hillary is the only democratic nominee that would get beat. Edwards and Obama would wipe the floor with the republicans in an election.

Danimal

In a duel? I think it should be like the old video game Joust. Obama and McCain can fly around on ostriches and knock each other off.