A Question for War Supporters

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  • Dino283
    Dino283 Posts: 81
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    I have an honest question to ask anyone who supports the US led occupation of Iraq, especially thouse who do believe we need to "stay the course".

    Given that the situation has deteriorated so badly and that the US military is now stretched so thin, why would you not enlist your services? What speaks against your doing so if you support these actions and want to see "good" prevail?
    The U.S.Army is not thin.Were did u read that. In answer to youre question,If the draft were reinstated, i would be proud to support my country and fight for the freedom's we all have.
    I’d thank my lucky stars,
    to be livin here today.
    ‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
    and they can’t take that away.

    And I’m proud to be an American,
    where at least I know I’m free.
    And I wont forget the men who died,
    who gave that right to me.
  • Paint a Picture....
    Paint a Picture.... Posts: 88
    Dino283 wrote:
    The U.S.Army is not thin.Were did u read that. In answer to youre question,If the draft were reinstated, i would be proud to support my country and fight for the freedom's we all have.

    Theres not going to be a draft, of course there isnt, not even a little bit, so thats a fairly easy thing for you to say.
    vision oOnly Greyyy
  • Paint a Picture....
    Paint a Picture.... Posts: 88
    Why would we go and fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people like so many people are suggesting? How many nations around the world could we then go and fight for exactly the same reason? Absolute Bollocks!!
    Out of all the nations where the people are oppressed and human rights non existent we chose Iraq?? with a pin in a map??
    The war was waged because of alleged WMD and links to Al Quaeda, official end of story. Both things have been officially admitted as being wrong.
    vision oOnly Greyyy
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Dino283 wrote:
    The U.S.Army is not thin.Were did u read that. In answer to youre question,If the draft were reinstated, i would be proud to support my country and fight for the freedom's we all have.
    There's not going to be a draft, but you're in luck ... they take volunteers!

    Semper Fi
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    Paint a Picture.... wrote:
    Why would we go and fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people like so many people are suggesting? How many nations around the world could we then go and fight for exactly the same reason? Absolute Bollocks!!
    Out of all the nations where the people are oppressed and human rights non existent we chose Iraq?? with a pin in a map??
    The war was waged because of alleged WMD and links to Al Quaeda, official end of story. Both things have been officially admitted as being wrong.

    the new york times, of all things, disagrees...

    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away."

    whole article here


    ebay isn't evil people are


    The South is Much Obliged
  • Paint a Picture....
    Paint a Picture.... Posts: 88
    dangerboy wrote:
    the new york times, of all things, disagrees...

    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away."

    whole article here

    Ok no problem we can cling on to the WMD spin if u so wish, however my main point was the massive swing towards the freedom aspect when the WMD's evaporated into thin air ( as they do, but usually making more noise and causing more damage), and tenuous links to Al Quaeda pretty much forgotten.

    Which oppressed countries people are to be granted our "freedom" next? plenty to choose from.

    I got an idea, how about America?! haha-)
    vision oOnly Greyyy
  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    Paint a Picture.... wrote:
    Ok no problem we can cling on to the WMD spin if u so wish, however my main point was the massive swing towards the freedom aspect when the WMD's evaporated into thin air ( as they do, but usually making more noise and causing more damage), and tenuous links to Al Quaeda pretty much forgotten.

    Which oppressed countries people are to be granted our "freedom" next? plenty to choose from.

    I got an idea, how about America?! haha-)

    if only we could help them all (snide comments about bush and methodology aside).....or if only nobody needed any help....

    but, sadly, humans took away my innocent belief in utopia long ago. people suck


    ebay isn't evil people are


    The South is Much Obliged
  • Paint a Picture....
    Paint a Picture.... Posts: 88
    dangerboy wrote:
    if only we could help them all (snide comments about bush and methodology aside).....or if only nobody needed any help....

    but, sadly, humans took away my innocent belief in utopia long ago. people suck

    Ok, so we did go to iraq for the good of the people there? and America is not Utopia by a long, long, longer than that, way
    vision oOnly Greyyy
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    What I will say, is that this country since it's founding has attempted to spread the same freedoms and liberties that we have to all people around the world. We haven't always made the correct decisions in enforcing this basic wish that we have for those less fortunate but it has almost entirely been done with the best of intentions (For we know just how fortunate we are to live in this great country).

    Please provide just one example of this militaristic altruism. Just one.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dangerboy wrote:
    the new york times, of all things, disagrees...

    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away."

    whole article here

    On March 16, after the documents’ release was approved, Mr. Negroponte’s office issued a terse public announcement including a disclaimer that remained on the Web site: “The U.S. government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available.”
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dangerboy wrote:
    the new york times, of all things, disagrees...

    "Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war.[/b]"

    whole article here

    the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    Byrnzie wrote:
    the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

    i got that part. that's been the real objection to them being posted. i just wanted to make sure the smaller, page 2 issue of the statement that iraq was only a year away from building an atom bomb in 2002 to get some mileage, too....


    ebay isn't evil people are


    The South is Much Obliged
  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please provide just one example of this militaristic altruism. Just one.

    ok. grenada


    ebay isn't evil people are


    The South is Much Obliged
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    . I wanted Bush to get back into power at the last election because I think America needs a cracker warmonger to drag your country into deep shit, to the point where you'll be forced to embark on a complete overhaul of your Government.


    Spoken like a true intellect. Thanks - I'm more able to understand the world now. Where's you next speech going to be?
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Spoken like a true intellect. Thanks - I'm more able to understand the world now. Where's you next speech going to be?

    Outside your trailer!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dangerboy wrote:
    ok. grenada

    I hate to break this to you my friend, but 'Heartbreak ridge' wasn't real. The marines went in and killed a bunch of labourers at Grenada's airport. This was not a great coup for democracy and freedom in the world. It was a very minor display of regional power politics and pointless murder.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Paint a Picture.... wrote:
    The war was waged because of alleged WMD and links to Al Quaeda, official end of story. Both things have been officially admitted as being wrong.

    No it wasn't. The war was fought to gain control of Iraq's natural resources and to obtain another power base in the region independent of Israel. WMD and Al Queda were both merely pretexts and were both lies.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    Byrnzie wrote:
    No it wasn't. The war was fought to gain control of Iraq's natural resources and to obtain another power base in the region independent of Israel. WMD and Al Queda were both merely pretexts and were both lies.

    How lame... Basically, this view isn't an objectional take on the war - it's a judgement on the U.S. and what kind of leaders we have.

    People with just as much knowledge if not more than you, look at the same facts and evidence, but they come to radically different conclusions. It all just depends on what ideological "lens" you view it from.

    U.S is BAD, CORRUPT, HEGEMONY = Iraq was for oil and power.
    U.S. is NOBLE, MADE A MISTAKE, TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN = Iraq was about spreading freedom.

    Take your pick...
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    NCfan wrote:
    How lame... Basically, this view isn't an objectional take on the war - it's a judgement on the U.S. and what kind of leaders we have.

    People with just as much knowledge if not more than you, look at the same facts and evidence, but they come to radically different conclusions. It all just depends on what ideological "lens" you view it from.

    U.S is BAD, CORRUPT, HEGEMONY = Iraq was for oil and power.
    U.S. is NOBLE, MADE A MISTAKE, TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN = Iraq was about spreading freedom.

    Take your pick...

    I'll chose number two. However mistakes are inevidable when your standards include regularly misleading. We should have evolved well past that by now.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NCfan wrote:
    How lame... Basically, this view isn't an objectional take on the war - it's a judgement on the U.S. and what kind of leaders we have.

    People with just as much knowledge if not more than you, look at the same facts and evidence, but they come to radically different conclusions. It all just depends on what ideological "lens" you view it from.

    U.S is BAD, CORRUPT, HEGEMONY = Iraq was for oil and power.
    U.S. is NOBLE, MADE A MISTAKE, TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN = Iraq was about spreading freedom.

    Take your pick...

    So you think that if Iraqs chief export had been turnips, that the U.S would have still invaded?

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