And the insurrection has grown from the first time the US set its foot in Iraq until today. If the insurrection has gotten stronger every year we have been there, is there not some reason in saying the insurrection has been aided by our continued presence? And if it has been aided by our continued presence, is it not in the interest of the insurgents for us to maintain our presence? The history has shown insurgent power has expanded in the presence of US troops.
They are not just attacking each other, they are attacking american troops. October was one of the bloodiest for american soldiers. We have become targets in Iraq, terrorists use it as a training ground.
Even if that leads to another regime the likes of Mullah controlled Iran, Sharia law of Saudi Arabia, another dictator like Mubarak, Assad or Saddam, a puppet state of Iran like lebanon or the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan? Would that be acceptable to you if that happened?
This will happen regardless, and already is. Does any one really expect that the dominant Shia voting bloc is going to turn Iraq into a pluralist democracy? Is it really possible that an organization like The Supreme Council For The Islamic Revolution In Iraq, is going to turn into a liberal democratic organization? Dawa, the party of the acting Iraqi prime minister was a virtual wing of Hezbollah when in exile. Do we really expect it to pal up with Israel?
There are senior military officials in Iraq who state there is no military solution. And the people of Iraq overwhelmingly want us to leave. Benchmarks and goals are fine if they are accomplished, but what if they aren't? What do war supporters think is going to happen? Is there any historical precedent for a severely fractionated country turning into a democracy at gunpoint? No
And the insurrection has grown from the first time the US set its foot in Iraq until today. If the insurrection has gotten stronger every year we have been there, is there not some reason in saying the insurrection has been aided by our continued presence? And if it has been aided by our continued presence, is it not in the interest of the insurgents for us to maintain our presence? The history has shown insurgent power has expanded in the presence of US troops.
They are not just attacking each other, they are attacking american troops. October was one of the bloodiest for american soldiers. We have become targets in Iraq, terrorists use it as a training ground.
This will happen regardless, and already is. Does any one really expect that the dominant Shia voting bloc is going to turn Iraq into a pluralist democracy? Is it really possible that an organization like The Supreme Council For The Islamic Revolution In Iraq, is going to turn into a liberal democratic organization? Dawa, the party of the acting Iraqi prime minister was a virtual wing of Hezbollah when in exile. Do we really expect it to pal up with Israel?
There are senior military officials in Iraq who state there is no military solution. And the people of Iraq overwhelmingly want us to leave. Benchmarks and goals are fine if they are accomplished, but what if they aren't? What do war supporters think is going to happen? Is there any historical precedent for a severely fractionated country turning into a democracy at gunpoint? No
people who support the war really don't know what war is.
I tried one, i was against war before and I'm even more against it now. But still, i know a lot of people that didn't try one but are smart enough to be against it.... people that are for war have a distorted idea about what a war is.
people who support the war really don't know what war is.
I tried one, i was against war before and I'm even more against it now. But still, i know a lot of people that didn't try one but are smart enough to be against it.... people that are for war have a distorted idea about what a war is.
he wasnt refering to what was going on in iraq, neither was I
wasn't your point; people from other countries have no idea what is going on in another country...? that's what I read, I may be wrong, but as I said, that was my take...
wasn't your point; people from other countries have no idea what is going on in another country...? that's what I read, I may be wrong, but as I said, that was my take...
people who support the war really don't know what war is.
I tried one, i was against war before and I'm even more against it now. But still, i know a lot of people that didn't try one but are smart enough to be against it.... people that are for war have a distorted idea about what a war is.
What?
I support the war. As for the original posters question, about why don't those who support join the army. I have given a lot of thought to joining the armed forces. I think the thing that is really stopping me is family. I'm just not willing to leave my family and hopefully soon to be wife. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe, I don't know. It is an interesting question. What about all of those Bush haters who claimed they were going to move to Canada or Europe if Bush was reelected. I didn't see to many people follow through with that.
I support the war. As for the original posters question, about why don't those who support join the army. I have given a lot of thought to joining the armed forces. I think the thing that is really stopping me is family. I'm just not willing to leave my family and hopefully soon to be wife. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe, I don't know. It is an interesting question. What about all of those Bush haters who claimed they were going to move to Canada or Europe if Bush was reelected. I didn't see to many people follow through with that.
well, you know, if the terrorists win you'll have no family left...and you'll be forced to pray 5 times a day.
people don't join the military because they like the lives they've carved out in this wonderful country. sure, it's wonderful, but it ain't no utopia. we can surely move to make it better.
it just amazes me how people from other countries seem to know exactly what is going on in America.
absolutely no democracy to speak of? wow those are bold words.
let's flip this...how does america know what is best for iraq...or iran...or north korea? why is it that people in other countries aren't allowed to know what is going on in america, no matter how much they actually do know, but america and americans are keenly aware of the issues that other countries face? you know, because by your statement you seem to be saying that the u.s. knows what is going on and what needs to be done elsewhere.
let's flip this...how does america know what is best for iraq...or iran...or north korea? why is it that people in other countries aren't allowed to know what is going on in america, no matter how much they actually do know, but america and americans are keenly aware of the issues that other countries face? you know, because by your statement you seem to be saying that the u.s. knows what is going on and what needs to be done elsewhere.
I would like to think freedom is a better choice then some brutal dictator but your right, maybe they dont want that. what do we know.
I don't know why the War is the big issue in this election...
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The war has been the biggest issue since 2003.
NOT Gays getting married.
NOT Swift Boats and Bronze Stars.
NOT Steroids in Baseball.
NOT some dude burning an American Flag.
It has... or it SHOULD HAVE been the big issue.
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Hail, Hail!!!
it will take time to adjust to a free society. its now up to iraqis to stop killing each other.
like i said - if you don't want people acting like they know what's going on in the u.s. then don't sit there and pretend that you know what is going on in iraq, or any other country for that matter.
like i said - if you don't want people acting like they know what's going on in the u.s. then don't sit there and pretend that you know what is going on in iraq, or any other country for that matter.
I never did claim to know whats going on in another country. you have turned my specific comment to a specific person into some long discussion.
I assumed freedom was better then having a dictator. im sure you assume I am way off in my thinking
I have an honest question to ask anyone who supports the US led occupation of Iraq, especially thouse who do believe we need to "stay the course".
Given that the situation has deteriorated so badly and that the US military is now stretched so thin, why would you not enlist your services? What speaks against your doing so if you support these actions and want to see "good" prevail?
there are more people who have enlisted their services than soldiers in iraq. the machinists making gun; bomb; and missle parts for example. those that produce and package military rations. those making pc boards and other electronic components.
who isn't doing something to support the war. just paying taxes supports the war.
let's flip this...how does america know what is best for iraq...or iran...or north korea? why is it that people in other countries aren't allowed to know what is going on in america, no matter how much they actually do know, but america and americans are keenly aware of the issues that other countries face? you know, because by your statement you seem to be saying that the u.s. knows what is going on and what needs to be done elsewhere.
let's see; spy satellites; drones; and things like that keep america abreast of what's going on. some countries don't allow citizens to posess guns so the people need outside help to attain freedom. as far as what's best; more people have willingly died for freedom than any other reason; thus it's safe to assume that most people prefer freedom.
I never did claim to know whats going on in another country. you have turned my specific comment to a specific person into some long discussion.
I assumed freedom was better then having a dictator. im sure you assume I am way off in my thinking
nope, you are just saying that other people don't know what is going on here while you claim to know what people want in other countries...you don't. you can merely assume.
nope, you are just saying that other people don't know what is going on here while you claim to know what people want in other countries...you don't. you can merely assume.
call me crazy that people want freedom as oppsed to a dictator
let's see; spy satellites; drones; and things like that keep america abreast of what's going on. some countries don't allow citizens to posess guns so the people need outside help to attain freedom. as far as what's best; more people have willingly died for freedom than any other reason; thus it's safe to assume that most people prefer freedom.
i am talking about the average american...the american who sits here and tells me or whoever that this war in iraq is good because that's what the people in iraq want...you cannot simply say that they want freedom...you first have to define freedom...because, as we are keenly aware in this country, freedom means different things, vastly different things, to different people. so, what is it that YOU think people in other countries (say, iraq, for example) are striving for? is it the u.s.'s brand of capitalist driven freedom? fear driven freedom? what is it?
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html
And the insurrection has grown from the first time the US set its foot in Iraq until today. If the insurrection has gotten stronger every year we have been there, is there not some reason in saying the insurrection has been aided by our continued presence? And if it has been aided by our continued presence, is it not in the interest of the insurgents for us to maintain our presence? The history has shown insurgent power has expanded in the presence of US troops.
They are not just attacking each other, they are attacking american troops. October was one of the bloodiest for american soldiers. We have become targets in Iraq, terrorists use it as a training ground.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0703/dailyUpdate.html?s=mesdu
All our intelligence agencies and some generals have concluded our occupation of Iraq is making terrorism worse.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/24/iraq/main2036338.shtml
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-09-25T232516Z_01_N25287562_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-USA.xml&archived=False
This will happen regardless, and already is. Does any one really expect that the dominant Shia voting bloc is going to turn Iraq into a pluralist democracy? Is it really possible that an organization like The Supreme Council For The Islamic Revolution In Iraq, is going to turn into a liberal democratic organization? Dawa, the party of the acting Iraqi prime minister was a virtual wing of Hezbollah when in exile. Do we really expect it to pal up with Israel?
There are senior military officials in Iraq who state there is no military solution. And the people of Iraq overwhelmingly want us to leave. Benchmarks and goals are fine if they are accomplished, but what if they aren't? What do war supporters think is going to happen? Is there any historical precedent for a severely fractionated country turning into a democracy at gunpoint? No
Well said.
I tried one, i was against war before and I'm even more against it now. But still, i know a lot of people that didn't try one but are smart enough to be against it.... people that are for war have a distorted idea about what a war is.
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That makes absolutely no sense
um...how do Americans "know" exactly what's going on in Iraq...?
he wasnt refering to what was going on in iraq, neither was I
no no, its olberman
wasn't your point; people from other countries have no idea what is going on in another country...? that's what I read, I may be wrong, but as I said, that was my take...
replace another with our.
are you saying that people don't know what's going on in this country but people in this country are aware of what is going on in other countries?
from my window to yours
damn, you beat me to it...:)
no
What?
I support the war. As for the original posters question, about why don't those who support join the army. I have given a lot of thought to joining the armed forces. I think the thing that is really stopping me is family. I'm just not willing to leave my family and hopefully soon to be wife. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe, I don't know. It is an interesting question. What about all of those Bush haters who claimed they were going to move to Canada or Europe if Bush was reelected. I didn't see to many people follow through with that.
what are you saying then...???
just for the sake of clarification...when i say people knowing what is going on here, i mean people in other countries knowing what is going on here.
from my window to yours
I was specifically talking to someone not generalizing. if you want to know what I meant go back and read.
well, you know, if the terrorists win you'll have no family left...and you'll be forced to pray 5 times a day.
people don't join the military because they like the lives they've carved out in this wonderful country. sure, it's wonderful, but it ain't no utopia. we can surely move to make it better.
from my window to yours
let's flip this...how does america know what is best for iraq...or iran...or north korea? why is it that people in other countries aren't allowed to know what is going on in america, no matter how much they actually do know, but america and americans are keenly aware of the issues that other countries face? you know, because by your statement you seem to be saying that the u.s. knows what is going on and what needs to be done elsewhere.
from my window to yours
I would like to think freedom is a better choice then some brutal dictator but your right, maybe they dont want that. what do we know.
...
The war has been the biggest issue since 2003.
NOT Gays getting married.
NOT Swift Boats and Bronze Stars.
NOT Steroids in Baseball.
NOT some dude burning an American Flag.
It has... or it SHOULD HAVE been the big issue.
Hail, Hail!!!
exactly, what do we know? and, how free are they now that they can't walk the streets at night for fear of an IED KILLING THEM!???
from my window to yours
it will take time to adjust to a free society. its now up to iraqis to stop killing each other.
like i said - if you don't want people acting like they know what's going on in the u.s. then don't sit there and pretend that you know what is going on in iraq, or any other country for that matter.
from my window to yours
I never did claim to know whats going on in another country. you have turned my specific comment to a specific person into some long discussion.
I assumed freedom was better then having a dictator. im sure you assume I am way off in my thinking
there are more people who have enlisted their services than soldiers in iraq. the machinists making gun; bomb; and missle parts for example. those that produce and package military rations. those making pc boards and other electronic components.
who isn't doing something to support the war. just paying taxes supports the war.
let's see; spy satellites; drones; and things like that keep america abreast of what's going on. some countries don't allow citizens to posess guns so the people need outside help to attain freedom. as far as what's best; more people have willingly died for freedom than any other reason; thus it's safe to assume that most people prefer freedom.
nope, you are just saying that other people don't know what is going on here while you claim to know what people want in other countries...you don't. you can merely assume.
from my window to yours
call me crazy that people want freedom as oppsed to a dictator
i am talking about the average american...the american who sits here and tells me or whoever that this war in iraq is good because that's what the people in iraq want...you cannot simply say that they want freedom...you first have to define freedom...because, as we are keenly aware in this country, freedom means different things, vastly different things, to different people. so, what is it that YOU think people in other countries (say, iraq, for example) are striving for? is it the u.s.'s brand of capitalist driven freedom? fear driven freedom? what is it?
from my window to yours