Harper unmoved by polls, remains firm on Mideast crisis, softwood

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited August 2006 in A Moving Train
Yea, fuck the people eh harper? Who gives a shit what they think, it's not their country.

Principles not polls will govern how the Conservatives establish policy, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said at a Friday news conference in Cornwall, Ont., when asked about his stance on the Middle East and the softwood lumber agreement.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Canada's position on the conflict in the Middle East 'remains unchanged.' (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press) "We don't make decisions in our governments based on polls," Harper said.

About 80 protesters, mostly from Montreal, gathered outside the Conservative caucus retreat in response to the prime minister's refusal to call for an immediate ceasefire between Israeli troops and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

Some have criticized Harper for supporting Israel in the conflict. At a news conference Thursday, the prime minister did not comment on the conflict.

'We want stability in the region'

On Friday, however, reporters questioned the prime minister about his stance as support for the Conservatives continues to drop in opinion polls.

The prime minister responded that he and the other G8 leaders want to create the conditions for a lasting peace.

"The position of Canada remains unchanged," Harper said. "We decided together with all the members of the G8 three weeks ago that what we want is peace. We want stability in this region in the world."

"What we have to do is create the necessary conditions to make sure a ceasefire is possible and to make sure there is a lasting ceasefire," he said.

Softwood agreement 'the best Canada's ever had'

Harper also defended the Canada-U.S. softwood lumber agreement, saying that he believes he will have sufficient industry support to implement the agreement.

But, he said he will not introduce the agreement unless he has support from the premiers and softwood producers.

"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this agreement is the best Canada's ever had, the best Canada is ever going to get and it is infinitely better than pursuing litigation for many more years without any recourse to a negotiated settlement."

Trade Minister David Emerson is expected to meet with key members of the softwood lumber industry next week in Toronto.

It's pretty sad this dumb fuck is following in the footsteps of another dumb fuck, neither of which know how to run a country.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    He's doing the right thing. The previous government had no principles and ruled by polls. With Harper you know what you're gonna get. You may disagree with the stances he takes on some issues but at least he has principles and has done what he said he would do.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    He's doing the right thing. The previous government had no principles and ruled by polls. With Harper you know what you're gonna get. You may disagree with the stances he takes on some issues but at least he has principles and has done what he said he would do.

    I disagree with everything this guy does. The tax plan saves me 42 cents on one hundred dollars, and that's only if I don't buy alcohol. The tax on a bottle of bear when up some 30 cents. That calculation also assumes that every last penny I spend is taxable under both PST and GST. Check out the budgetary report for 2007 when it comes out and compare it to 2006. I bet you will see an increase in income from taxes as a whole.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    surferdude wrote:
    He's doing the right thing. The previous government had no principles and ruled by polls. With Harper you know what you're gonna get. You may disagree with the stances he takes on some issues but at least he has principles and has done what he said he would do.

    But it will hurt him in the long run...b/c people labelled him a war monger and an American in wolves clothing...I dont see it as that...however he got thousands of votes from people that wanted to punish the Liberal party....more body bags coming home will only see the numbers plummet more....he has yet to prove to me he is any more compotent than Martin...and I am trying to leave my bias behind....
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    But it will hurt him in the long run...b/c people labelled him a war monger and an American in wolves clothing...I dont see it as that...however he got thousands of votes from people that wanted to punish the Liberal party....more body bags coming home will only see the numbers plummet more....he has yet to prove to me he is any more compotent than Martin...and I am trying to leave my bias behind....
    I agree with a lot of what you say, but I can't believe that people complain because he has principles. Of all the possibly valid things you could complain about to complain that a politician has principles seems absurd to me.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    surferdude wrote:
    I agree with a lot of what you say, but I can't believe that people complain because he has principles. Of all the possibly valid things you could complain about to complain that a politician has principles seems absurd to me.

    Okay I do give him credit for sticking to his guns...but surferdude I have really tried to revert my thoughts since the last election and I just feel that his Middle East decison, although to his principles, will undoubtly hurt him.

    I just feel that this is a decision that involves Canadian lives directly (refering to Afganistan as well) and the voice of the populace on these matters should be a reality check.....for matters on how he fiscally runs the country, if he wants to try something new, its not near as bad when the polls show skeptiscm...lives in this country are put on a higher pedastal than money....
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Okay I do give him credit for sticking to his guns...but surferdude I have really tried to revert my thoughts since the last election and I just feel that his Middle East decison, although to his principles, will undoubtly hurt him.

    I just feel that this is a decision that involves Canadian lives directly (refering to Afganistan as well) and the voice of the populace on these matters should be a reality check.....for matters on how he fiscally runs the country, if he wants to try something new, its not near as bad when the polls show skeptiscm...lives in this country are put on a higher pedastal than money....
    Excellent points. But Afghanistan is now a NATO mission. In my thinking we are either part of NATO or we're not. The Canadian public wants their cake and to eat it too. So let's do what the public wants, pull out of NATO and the UN, become a militarilly isolated and autonomous country. Or stay in NATO and the UN and stop complaining when we are fulfilling NATO and UN obligations/responsibilities.

    I despise this type of attitude when Quebec does it regarding staying in Canada. I despise it even more when the Canadian public adopts this type of attitude. Belonging to NATO and the UN means we as a country will have an obligation and responsibility to do some things occassionally that our public would prefer we didn't.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Excellent points. But Afghanistan is now a NATO mission. In my thinking we are either part of NATO or we're not. The Canadian public wants their cake and to eat it too. So let's do what the public wants, pull out of NATO and the UN, become a militarilly isolated and autonomous country. Or stay in NATO and the UN and stop complaining when we are fulfilling NATO and UN obligations/responsibilities.

    I despise this type of attitude when Quebec does it regarding staying in Canada. I despise it even more when the Canadian public adopts this type of attitude. Belonging to NATO and the UN means we as a country will have an obligation and responsibility to do some things occassionally that our public would prefer we didn't.

    I agree, we should pull out of NATO and the UN if we are going to be obligated to these activities. I mean, we pulled out of Kyoto didn't we? and for what? so we don't have to worry about polution? The goals in Kyoto may have been hard to reach or even impossible, but it is possible to be satisfied and accomplished without always meeting our goals. Not having any goals on the other hand is a bad thing. In the case of the Mid-East conflict, Canada should have remained neutral.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    surferdude wrote:
    Excellent points. But Afghanistan is now a NATO mission. In my thinking we are either part of NATO or we're not. The Canadian public wants their cake and to eat it too. So let's do what the public wants, pull out of NATO and the UN, become a militarilly isolated and autonomous country. Or stay in NATO and the UN and stop complaining when we are fulfilling NATO and UN obligations/responsibilities.

    I despise this type of attitude when Quebec does it regarding staying in Canada. I despise it even more when the Canadian public adopts this type of attitude. Belonging to NATO and the UN means we as a country will have an obligation and responsibility to do some things occassionally that our public would prefer we didn't.


    You make a valid point...in regards to NATO...as a contributing nation we do have obligations in the orginization....I guess its not like we went in their under our own initiative like the States with Iraq...very good point...however his Middle East decision was very very bad...plus it made it worse when those Canadian civilians got killed.....time will tell my friend how this really effects him....we shuld blame Martin for Afganistan just as much or more than Harper than
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    In the case of the Mid-East conflict, Canada should have remained neutral.
    Why should Canada remain neutral?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Why should Canada remain neutral?

    What's the relevancy to picking sides? To kiss ass?

    It creates a threat to Canada from the Arab/Persian world which we alone can't deal with. It also shows are total lack of understanding for the conflict.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's the relevancy to picking sides? To kiss ass?

    It creates a threat to Canada from the Arab/Persian world which we alone can't deal with. It also shows are total lack of understanding for the conflict.
    Well considering you don't want Canada to be part of either NATO or the UN then we better learn to handle threats on our real fast. Either that or become the bitch for the middle east and every terrorist group in the world, bending over taking it up the ass because we are afraid of conflict.

    So what is the middle east situation that is beyond Canada's understanding.

    Look at the outfall of making a principled statement. Does it really seem to be kissing ass to you?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • not4u
    not4u Posts: 512
    Harper disagrees with Democracy, he always has. Hidden behind a easily see-through charade of Morals, he sticks to his guns much like a dictator for the money,connections and personal reasons, not the Morals. I fucking hate him. Canada has already made the worst decision they ever made by giving him his majority (im sure he'll fuck with the voters aswell, becuase his majority has already happened) I am loosing trust in Canada.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • improvgirl312
    improvgirl312 Posts: 40
    Alert to Canada:

    There's a solution to all this:

    Don't vote for the Conservative party next time.
    Once upon a time, there was a lovely little sausage called Baldrick, and it lived happily ever after. The End.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    improvgirl312 wrote:
    Don't vote for the Conservative party next time.

    Vote for CAP!!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • improvgirl312
    improvgirl312 Posts: 40
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Vote for CAP!!

    Canadian Alliance Party?
    Once upon a time, there was a lovely little sausage called Baldrick, and it lived happily ever after. The End.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    improvgirl312 wrote:
    Canadian Alliance Party?

    Canadian Action Party ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    surferdude wrote:
    Excellent points. But Afghanistan is now a NATO mission. In my thinking we are either part of NATO or we're not. The Canadian public wants their cake and to eat it too. So let's do what the public wants, pull out of NATO and the UN, become a militarilly isolated and autonomous country. Or stay in NATO and the UN and stop complaining when we are fulfilling NATO and UN obligations/responsibilities.

    I despise this type of attitude when Quebec does it regarding staying in Canada. I despise it even more when the Canadian public adopts this type of attitude. Belonging to NATO and the UN means we as a country will have an obligation and responsibility to do some things occassionally that our public would prefer we didn't.

    I couldn't agree with you more
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    not4u wrote:
    Harper disagrees with Democracy, he always has. Hidden behind a easily see-through charade of Morals, he sticks to his guns much like a dictator for the money,connections and personal reasons, not the Morals. I fucking hate him. Canada has already made the worst decision they ever made by giving him his majority (im sure he'll fuck with the voters aswell, becuase his majority has already happened) I am loosing trust in Canada.
    He has a minority government, only been in office for 5 months and the sun still rises in the morning, you and every left wing socialist fear mongerer in Canuckistan make me sick.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Wow thanks for CAP link...I found this anti-terror bill shocking....I cannot believe I have never heard of this......

    http://canadianactionparty.ca/temp/articles/Anti_Terrorism_law.asp
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Polls fluctuate all the time, and I'd be shocked if the Mideast crisis was looming so large in the average Canadian's mind that it would be the sole cause of the dip. That's dumb. The mission in Afghanistan, high profile criminal justice cases, softwood lumber ... All kinds of other things are happening that might make people disgruntled with the current government.

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