11 Arguments Against Theism

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    chopitdown wrote:
    Luke was written around 60 CE.

    it seems like you put more stock in anything that is contrary to the biblical account and anything that makes christianity look stupid...this is why discussion is difficult. At least other people on here can at least understand why people have belief; they may not agree with them, but they can understand why and what people believe.
    The Bible is just a book.
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  • gue_barium
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    gue_barium wrote:
    The Bible is just a book.

    Q: What do you mean, "just a book"?
    A: Well, it is. I'm not knocking Literature or Art, the bible has some classic stories in it, but nothing more or less.
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  • Ahnimus
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    chopitdown wrote:
    unless that was moses sitting for the statue it really probably isn't accurate...maybe he just uses product and likes the spikey look???

    I don't trust anyone with one letter as a last name. my guess is she suggets possible things rather making declarative statements such as "it is"

    Acharya S is the pen name of D. Murdock. Her real name was publicized on a radio station and her son was kidnapped and death threats were made against her.

    So, it was probably wise on her part to use a pen name.

    But you know that Mark Twain was a pen name for Samuel Clemens. It's nothing new.

    Acharya has credentials.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, now, didn't Moses have horns? Was he not also the Ram?

    And was Jesus not Pisces or the Fish, and Virgo was Mary...
    how do you attribute all the other fictional stories and tie it together with the bible? just curious. do you just believe what those other people discover?

    all those conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories. by all means, take another religion from some unknown culture in some unknown era and you'll find records or stories that seem to depict or corrolate with biblical stories. i take it as common sense. in summary, all these fascinating comparisons doesn't conclude a single thing.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    how do you attribute all the other fictional stories and tie it together with the bible? just curious. do you just believe what those other people discover?

    all those conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories. by all means, take another religion from some unknown culture in some unknown era and you'll find records or stories that seem to depict or corrolate with biblical stories. i take it as common sense. in summary, all these fascinating comparisons doesn't conclude a single thing.

    What proof are you looking for? Does it matter?

    I mean, if Jesus was a Pisces or a Capricorn, what does it matter?
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    What proof are you looking for? Does it matter?

    I mean, if Jesus was a Pisces or a Capricorn, what does it matter?
    well then i guess ahnimus's statements about christianity being a cop-out of these other religions are of no avail. i mean, that's only if it is as you say... that is if "it doesn't matter."
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well then i guess ahnimus's statements about christianity being a cop-out of these other religions are of no avail. i mean, that's only if it is as you say... that is if "it doesn't matter."

    No, not really. In context here, you are the proof-seeker. So, I ask again, what proof are you seeking?
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    No, not really. In context here, you are the proof-seeker. So, I ask again, what proof are you seeking?
    in other words, gue, how would anyone know that the bible was copied from all these other stories? and if it is "no, not really" then answer my question.

    oh would you look at that? this is my 1000th post.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    in other words, gue, how would anyone know that the bible was copied from all these other stories? and if it is "no, not really" then answer my question.

    oh would you look at that? this is my 1000th post.

    Some fables from the bible are certainly derived from fables long before the bible's surrection, there's no doubt about that.
    what's the argument?
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    Some fables from the bible are certainly derived from fables long before the bible's surrection, there's no doubt about that.
    what's the argument?
    how do you do that little smiley-face with his eyes rolling...? anways picture it in your mind

    keywords here are "certainly" and "derived". oh and "argument" too. how did you come to conclude that the stories "certainly" (there's that word i mentioned!) "derived" (there's the other one!) from the fables of old? couldn't it be that these stories had no relation whatsoever? bingo! there's the "argument".

    oh look here it is :rolleyes:
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    how do you do that little smiley-face with his eyes rolling...? anways picture it in your mind

    keywords here are "certainly" and "derived". oh and "argument" too. how did you come to conclude that the stories "certainly" (there's that word i mentioned!) "derived" (there's the other one!) from the fables of old? couldn't it be that these stories had no relation whatsoever? bingo! there's the "argument".

    oh look here it is :rolleyes:

    not quite following you here. Are you saying stories of messiahs and afterlife are only unique to the bible?

    lol.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    not quite following you here. Are you saying stories of messiahs and afterlife are only unique to the bible?

    lol.
    well, they are not unique in the sense that the bible isn't the only one that wrote about it. i'm sure there are thousands of other stories that are like a xerox copy of themselves in some ways. you could find a story from the Mayas about a half-man and half-god who returned to life. the story goes that this God-like emperor of the mayas was sacrificed. his son avenged his death to dual of a basketball-like game. that is why it is believed that these mayans are the inventors of basketball. when he won the game, his father returned back to life. this was long before the crossover from the old world to the new world so the bible couldn't have certainly copied out of it. and i'm sure that there are thousands of other stories that are very similar to the stories in the bible, but it doesn't mean they were copied off of each other. one could only speculate a conspiracy.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, they are not unique in the sense that the bible isn't the only one that wrote about it. i'm sure there are thousands of other stories that are like a xerox copy of themselves in some ways. you could find a story from the Mayas about a half-man and half-god who returned to life. the story goes that this God-like emperor of the mayas was sacrificed. his son avenged his death to dual of a basketball-like game. that is why it is believed that these mayans are the inventors of basketball. when he won the game, his father returned back to life. this was long before the crossover from the old world to the new world so the bible couldn't have certainly copied out of it. and i'm sure that there are thousands of other stories that are very similar to the stories in the bible, but it doesn't mean they were copied off of each other. one could only speculate a conspiracy.

    The evolution of storytelling.

    I can get into that.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    The evolution of storytelling.

    I can get into that.
    it would still be speculating.
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    it would still be speculating.

    Storytelling is honorable. It is as human a tradition as humans themselves, maybe moreso, and that is the tragedy sometimes.

    No speculation.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    Storytelling is honorable. It is as human a tradition as humans themselves, maybe moreso, and that is the tragedy sometimes.

    No speculation.
    so then how did the mayan story travel from the americas into europe, rome, the middle-east, israel... on and on long before the newworld was discovered. heck! long before the vikings found it too.

    you're still speculating.
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  • Ahnimus
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    They very well could have all been thought up separately. But still one must ask, why is this version correct?

    Many people say, they've experienced God. But on that same token, if you ask a person of any religion, they have experienced their God too.

    Again, which version is correct? Are any of them correct?

    These are the rational inquiries to the history of the world.

    There is something there, and I know what it is. It's various brain activities, temporal lobe, pareital lobe and pineal gland that are involved with religious experience. Oh and some other biochemistry like dopamine and norepinephrine. So then what does this mean? Does it mean that it's an 'antenna' to Gods, aliens, spirituality... or is it a product of evolution, a control for our advanced intelligence. Instead of realizing our own irrelevance, we have 'purpose' and our species maintains it's sanity. Similarly what is the significance of dreams? I've taken drugs and know to some degree the frame of mind, it's great for seeking answers within one's own mind. I think that might be all there is to it. Getting high is great though, by prayer, meditation or drugs, I don't care, it's part of our nature. Some religions totally exploit that though.
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  • gue_barium
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    They very well could have all been thought up separately. But still one must ask, why is this version correct?

    Many people say, they've experienced God. But on that same token, if you ask a person of any religion, they have experienced their God too.

    Again, which version is correct? Are any of them correct?

    These are the rational inquiries to the history of the world.

    There is something there, and I know what it is. It's various brain activities, temporal lobe, pareital lobe and pineal gland that are involved with religious experience. Oh and some other biochemistry like dopamine and norepinephrine. So then what does this mean? Does it mean that it's an 'antenna' to Gods, aliens, spirituality... or is it a product of evolution, a control for our advanced intelligence. Instead of realizing our own irrelevance, we have 'purpose' and our species maintains it's sanity. Similarly what is the significance of dreams? I've taken drugs and know to some degree the frame of mind, it's great for seeking answers within one's own mind. I think that might be all there is to it. Getting high is great though, by prayer, meditation or drugs, I don't care, it's part of our nature. Some religions totally exploit that though.

    You're forgetting about Time.

    And you will, for at least the next 12 years or so.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    They very well could have all been thought up separately. But still one must ask, why is this version correct?

    Many people say, they've experienced God. But on that same token, if you ask a person of any religion, they have experienced their God too.

    Again, which version is correct? Are any of them correct?

    These are the rational inquiries to the history of the world.

    There is something there, and I know what it is. It's various brain activities, temporal lobe, pareital lobe and pineal gland that are involved with religious experience. Oh and some other biochemistry like dopamine and norepinephrine. So then what does this mean? Does it mean that it's an 'antenna' to Gods, aliens, spirituality... or is it a product of evolution, a control for our advanced intelligence. Instead of realizing our own irrelevance, we have 'purpose' and our species maintains it's sanity. Similarly what is the significance of dreams? I've taken drugs and know to some degree the frame of mind, it's great for seeking answers within one's own mind. I think that might be all there is to it. Getting high is great though, by prayer, meditation or drugs, I don't care, it's part of our nature. Some religions totally exploit that though.
    i don't know ahnimus... i sincerely applaude you for being very well informed. i sincerely wish i knew all this but i'm scared i might sound nerdy and scare girls away. but this really doesn't explain much. on a lighter note, i pretty much figured you would conclude with this. thanks again.
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  • Ahnimus
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    gue_barium wrote:
    You're forgetting about Time.

    And you will, for at least the next 12 years or so.

    Time is a procession of events. What relevance does it have to what we are discussing? Oh and nice agism included in the statement.

    The fact of the brain is, beyond my age people fail to expand their views. Most often older people are 'set in their ways' and do not change even with irrefutable reason showing them the 'light'.

    Don't use that age bullshit with me unless your prepared to back it up with science.
    http://www.humboldt.edu/~tha1/oldbrain.html
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