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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Let me see, hmmm.

    My opinion is pig hard? Did I miss something?

    Meiner Meinung nach ist es schweine schwer = In my opinion it's fucking hard.
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    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • and as you can see, I also have some problem with building sentences.

    Happens all the time that people correct what I say in german, sadly :(
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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Jackhammer wrote:
    and as you can see, I also have some problem with building sentences.

    Happens all the time that people correct what I say in german, sadly :(

    As I said earlier, I have the utmost respect for everyone who takes on the German language. It really is schweine schwer ;) You should read my French *g*
    You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • he thx ;)

    I think anyone who learn foreign languages demonstrate already a will to communicate, it can only be a good thing :)
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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Amen to that :)
    You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sonja_S wrote:
    'los los los!' in war games would be 'move move move'. 'Was ist los?' would be 'What's going on'. Los as a noun can be destiny ('ein schweres Los' for example), or something you draw at a raffle. Good fortune is 'Glück'.

    There are so many dialects in the German language, it's hard to learn 'proper' German by watching TV. If Austrian movies are shown in Germany, they are often subtitled (unfortunately I'm not kidding) and unfortunately they are not paying any attention to proper Grammar on TV anymore. If I got a Euro anytime they falsly use the Dativ instead of Genetiv in a newscast, I'd be rich. For example 'wegen den Schneefällen' when it should be 'wegen der Schneefälle' (or rather 'aufgrund der Schneefälle' but I'm starting to be grateful for the small things ;))

    BTW, I learned English by listening to music-seems as if that method works ;)

    Thank you, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word. I guess that's why I have difficulty with it.

    I'm finding it really hard to learn just one other language. How can you speak multiple languages? I suppose growing up in europe would help.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sonja_S wrote:
    Meiner Meinung nach ist es schweine schwer = In my opinion it's fucking hard.

    I thought Schwein was pig, it made sense because we also use Swine in english. Or is it the lower-case version that means "fucking"?

    I also heard that Schwanz is "dick" but direct translation produces "Tail" as well as "dick" "cock" etc..

    I said to someone once "Saugen mein Schwanz" and they didn't understand :(

    We should start a german language thread or something, I'm getting some good input out of this.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    you get your point acrossed who the fk cares.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    callen wrote:
    you get your point acrossed who the fk cares.

    You can talk rubbish if you want, I personally like to improve my language skills. I'm glad some people don't care, because then when I say "you know, gullible isn't in the dictionary" they go trying to prove me wrong and it's the funniest thing.

    I'm by no means an expert in english, but I fancy myself pretty damn good.
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  • I don't know if it's something about europe.

    Personally, I guess I find it interesting.

    I can make myself understand in french, english and german.

    I should go on with german, as I still have much to learn, but I die to learn Japanese :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jackhammer wrote:
    I don't know if it's something about europe.

    Personally, I guess I find it interesting.

    I can make myself understand in french, english and german.

    I should go on with german, as I still have much to learn, but I die to learn Japanese :)

    I want to learn French, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Hebrew, Japanese, Cantonese and Mandorin. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now. I basically want to speak all languages. Sadly, I can't even speak good German after a couple of years of studying.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • If you want to learn fast, go live in that country.

    Just got 4 years in germany, and will move on soon.
    Next stop will be probably Japan ^^

    I don't see over that. Not already. I like to go somewhere and live the culture I find interresting.

    If I still live in a few years, we will see ;)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jackhammer wrote:
    If you want to learn fast, go live in that country.

    Just got 4 years in germany, and will move on soon.
    Next stop will be probably Japan ^^

    I don't see over that. Not already. I like to go somewhere and live the culture I find interresting.

    If I still live in a few years, we will see ;)

    I would love to live in germany for a while. But don't you need a Zertifikat Deutsch to work there?

    The main drawback to moving around is not actually pursuing a career. I could be CEO of the company in 10 years if I don't keep moving.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Well, I'd say it's a way of life.

    I don't expect career, stability, money, or whatever.

    I just move along where I want, I'm lucky I'm able to do it, and I hate people who wants to prevent me from it ;)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jackhammer wrote:
    Well, I'd say it's a way of life.

    I don't expect career, stability, money, or whatever.

    I just move along where I want, I'm lucky I'm able to do it, and I hate people who wants to prevent me from it ;)

    Yea, I'll probably still be stuck in the same position in the company for the next 20 years anyway.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • And now...

    You have a kind of steady life, if I understand. I don't know, house, car, work, whatever...

    I'm like on the run ;) But I do live a lot of experiences that I'm glad I had in my short time on earth.

    What's the best? No idea ^^
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    German is a beautiful language, I'm from Belgium and we get it in our schools because our country is trilingual (Dutch, French and German). Unfortunately, the focus wasn't on grammar but on vocabulary. There was a time when I knew das Deutsche Fällesystem but forgot all about it. Had French for 8 years and forgot the grammar as well, once you stop using a language it just fades away. Now I study English (we also had English in high school), Czech and my native language Dutch. I might pick up German again in two years, or French or maybe even Hungarian, who knows.
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  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Thank you, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word. I guess that's why I have difficulty with it.

    I'm finding it really hard to learn just one other language. How can you speak multiple languages? I suppose growing up in europe would help.

    Fortunately I've always been good with languages (and hopeless in things like math and chemics ;)).

    In our school system, you start to learn English in 3rd grade of elementary school. In high school you usually have English for 4 years and then add another language and in some school types you even have to learn Latin. Since I can't do anything the normal way though, I had French for 9 years and English for 5. My French sucks badly by now though because I never use it. I can get food and drink in Arabic though :D
    You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I thought Schwein was pig, it made sense because we also use Swine in english. Or is it the lower-case version that means "fucking"?

    I also heard that Schwanz is "dick" but direct translation produces "Tail" as well as "dick" "cock" etc..

    I said to someone once "Saugen mein Schwanz" and they didn't understand :(

    We should start a german language thread or something, I'm getting some good input out of this.

    Schwein does mean pig. I just translated it to fucking because I don't think there's an expression 'it's piggish hard' in English ;)

    It does mean both tail and dick. 'Saugen mein Schwanz' would be 'Lutsch meinen Schwanz' though and my Grandmother's catholic ashes are rotating in her grave right now :o
    You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • is "misuses" a word?
  • hippiemom wrote:
    I couldn't help but think of our own dear pychosinlove when I read this :D It was like a puzzle most of the time, trying to figure out what the hell he was on about. He certainly did liven the place up though!

    haha :D true, true...:D
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea you have the pronounciation Mischievous right Eli.

    We do hack up a lot of words to make them different though. A lot of people pronounce four like fo and it's a most basic word.

    isn't it "pronunciation"? ;)
  • EliEli Posts: 13
    Yes, the noun is "pronunciation," and the verb is "pronounce".

    Examples: How do you pronounce your last name?
    Chinese pronunciation is very difficult.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    isn't it "pronunciation"? ;)


    :D:D:D:D

    i fucking love it when this happens!!!

    well spotted Mooks :cool:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Smellyman wrote:
    How come Brits don't pronounce R's or other letters like the T in water. It often comes out wa'er?

    It's the glottal stop, it's just their way of talking, I guess. The omitted "t" is replaced by the glottal stop, which is an allophone.
    Grammatical things really bug me too (see I could've said "also" so "too" would be proper also. :) ). English is pretty f'd up anyway w/ rules on top of rules w/ exceptions etc, so depending on how much education one has, or if they even care, English is always going to be screwed up.

    Actually, I think English is a fairly easy language, especially if you (as a non-native speaker) just want to learn the basics. Of course, it gets more complicated when you want to learn English on a higher level, but I think that's because of semantics rather than syntax or grammar. I study translation studies and the most difficult part is semantics, because English can be very tentative, it can express certain things Dutch (my native language) cannot.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    isn't it "pronunciation"? ;)

    So it is, I've never noticed that before. Why did we remove the "O"?

    It kind of reminds me of "Discombobulate"
    dis‧com‧bob‧u‧late  /ˌdɪskəmˈbɒbyəˌleɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dis-kuhm-bob-yuh-leyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

    –verb (used with object), -lat‧ed, -lat‧ing. to confuse or disconcert; upset; frustrate: The speaker was completely discombobulated by the hecklers.

    "Dis" is an opposite prefix
    dis-
    pref.
    Not: dissimilar.

    Absence of: disinterest.
    Opposite of: disfavor.
    Undo; do the opposite of: disarrange.

    Deprive of: disfranchise.
    Remove: disbud.

    Free from: disintoxicate.
    Used as an intensive: disannul.

    Yet, there is no such word as "Combobulate"

    So, how can you be discombobulated, if you were never combobulated to begin with?

    Discrepencies in the English language are many. I like German the way it compounds words like Krankenwagen.

    Krank - Sick
    Wagen - Vehicle

    Guess what it is? An Ambulance!!!

    We just have to call it an Ambulance instead of a Sickvehicle.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Discrepencies in the English language are many. I like German the way it compounds words like Krankenwagen.

    Krank - Sick
    Wagen - Vehicle

    Guess what it is? An Ambulance!!!

    We just have to call it an Ambulance instead of a Sickvehicle.


    *lol* I never thought about it that way. You can use 'Ambulanz' too btw.
    You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
    They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Discrepencies in the English language are many.

    There appears to be a discrepancy with one of yours again! :D:D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sonja_S wrote:
    *lol* I never thought about it that way. You can use 'Ambulanz' too btw.

    I didn't know that, thanks. What is more proper though? Don't german people stress formal speech in some situations?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    There appears to be a discrepancy with one of yours again! :D:D

    Good eye
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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