i'm not jumping to conclusions, i'm simply making a point. both the left and right have their "celebrities", neither of which should add validity. its the principle that matters.
What left and right?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
this from a guy who has a mc5 song as their myspace profile song...has an elvis costello video up and has a few other political bands on their list? you have nofx listed, wasn't their last release all about the bush administration? didn't the cd even have stuff on the 2000 election as bonus features?
i'm saying most ppl on the moving train are well informed and don't think or follow something just b/c ed said it. i'm sure there are plenty of politically minded ppl who like pearl jam b/c they agree, doesn't mean pearl jam MADE them political.
as for the bottom of the message, what are you talking about? comprehension problems again, i see...plz do try to keep up...
i quoted ahminus who said ppl say "I think this way because..." so and so does"...in a thread about ppl HERE thinking it b/c eddie said it...what does that have to do w/ sigs? the implication is ppl are agreeing w/ those political stances soley b/c eddie said it. but, of course, you don't want to hear, you only want to tell ppl what they think and why...how's that workin for ya?
Oh Kabong, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye.
Whether it's Ted Nugent or Neil young, politics has no business in rock and roll. I pay my hard earned money to hear artists perform songs that are representative to previous examples of their work.
When they start out as something and then mold into some political monster, that's not right. I started listening to NOFX with "punk in Drublic". When I saw NOFX, a couple years ago I had to listen to a couple 10 minute rantings on the administration when I would have wanted to listen to "new boobs" and "Bob" instead.
Now if you got into a band that was political to begin with like I have also, that's okay. "Anti-Heroes" (greatest band ever) or "Cock Sparrer" started out with political messages, because you know what your getting into. But when a band evolves that way, it's a no go and you are tacitly agreeing to their agenda due to your love for their music. Hence conservatives still listen to PJ.
Oh and by the way genius, that's "unknown Hinson" not Elvis Costello. Nice try though, sounds like you really know your music.
Oh Kabong, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye.
Whether it's Ted Nugent or Neil young, politics has no business in rock and roll. I pay my hard earned money to hear artists perform songs that are representative to previous examples of their work.
When they start out as something and then mold into some political monster, that's not right. I started listening to NOFX with "punk in Drublic". When I saw NOFX, a couple years ago I had to listen to a couple 10 minute rantings on the administration when I would have wanted to listen to "new boobs" and "Bob" instead.
Now if you got into a band that was political to begin with like I have also, that's okay. "Anti-Heroes" (greatest band ever) or "Cock Sparrer" started out with political messages, because you know what your getting into. But when a band evolves that way, it's a no go and you are tacitly agreeing to their agenda due to your love for their music. Hence conservatives still listen to PJ.
Oh and by the way genius, that's "unknown Hinson" not Elvis Costello. Nice try though, sounds like you really know your music.
the still of the video on your site looked like elvis costello...guess i should've watched it...boy, you suuuuure showed me...:rolleyes:
now, as for the rest of my message and ppl being political just b/c eddie is...?
and pj had political songs on their first album...may not have been as dominate as riot act and this last one but it was still there...i guess you forgot eddie writing 'pro-choice' on his arm during unplugged back in 92? i guess you forgot songs like porch were on the first album? or the socio-politcal rants like the shoe the shoeless one in 93?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
foot in mouth and head up asshole, whatchatalkingbout?
difficult to dance round this one till ya pull it out
he must've been soooooo high
he must've been sooooo hiiiiiiigh
he must've been....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.
I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.
People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.
Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.
Good Day.
Totally. There's not many things that I agree with you on, but this is one of them. He is a human being, and far from infallible. Some people don't see it like this, whether they realize it or not.
But on the flipside, there's nothing wrong with admiring Eddie as a person. I look up to him for his music and his actions, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. It's a lot like admiring your mother or father... sure, they're not legends who will be in history books in a thousand years, but it's what they mean to you that's important.
The important thing is to do things because you want to, and not because your idols do.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
Wait, I'm sorry but what!?! I totally agree that PJ has been political from the get-go but this is really, really stretching it.
really? when he was talking about riding around in a limo seeing all the homeless ppl you didn't take that as social?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
really? when he was talking about riding around in a limo seeing all the homeless ppl you didn't take that as social?
Actually, no. Stating that homeless people exist isn't my idea of social. Nor is making a joke about the shoes being thrown on stage. Taking something like that this far is foolish. It was not some great social statement. Ed was just beig Ed really.
Hmm, I see your point. At what point is beauty at the cost of articulation?
I mean, I don't get any pearl jam song. I've read through the perceptions of various members on the Communications section and everyone gets something different from the lyrics, mostly because they are so vague.
I feel sorry for you, mainly beacause you dont get any pj song. You poor thing! There are pj songs that arent that vague at all. Most pj fans would know what 'Alive ' is about, aswell as 'Rats' and 'Dirty Frank' .Eds morals and views and the decisions he has made in his life are what has gotten him to where he is now, so I think people who idolise him or atleast look up to him have got the right idea. Maybe not so much the wine drinking as such (lol), but the fact that he gets the many messages out in such a fantastic and artistic way is to be commended. People who say ".....like ed..." are obviously aware of the fact he has done good in his life by the choices he has made. I realise not eating meat may not have been a massive factor in his present whereabouts, but somewhere along the line hes done something right, and the fact that he uses his status to get important issues out is something that I will always look up to.
"....and was very surprised to see that he didnt actually have a recipe for anus-ankle soup." - Big Ed
Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.
I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.
People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.
Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.
Good Day.
Who was that other mortal guy that people worship? They use his teachings as justifications for all their own opinions too. Started with J. . . .
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
Who was that other mortal guy that people worship? They use his teachings as justifications for all their own opinions too. Started with J. . . .
Yea, I have problems with that too.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Actually, no. Stating that homeless people exist isn't my idea of social. Nor is making a joke about the shoes being thrown on stage. Taking something like that this far is foolish. It was not some great social statement. Ed was just beig Ed really.
so....he made a comment about drinking champaigne while riding by in a limo and seeing ppl sleeping on the streets b/c...he wanted ppl to know he knew homeless ppl existed....? yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so....he made a comment about drinking champaigne while riding by in a limo and seeing ppl sleeping on the streets b/c...he wanted ppl to know he knew homeless ppl existed....? yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah
Dude, he is just a guy. He doesn't wake up everyday saying "I must rebel and show people what's right!". He says what he says, hopefully makes a difference, then goes and plays some songs and parties. He is just a man.
Dude, he is just a guy. He doesn't wake up everyday saying "I must rebel and show people what's right!". He says what he says, hopefully makes a difference, then goes and plays some songs and parties. He is just a man.
oh, i missed the post where i said he was a god...my bad...i must've been sleep typing. sorry, i think him bringing up drinking champaign in a limo as he drives by homeless ppl to be a socially aware statement, i'm sorry i have an opinion on this nor does this opinion mean i see him as a god
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
oh, i missed the post where i said he was a god...my bad...i must've been sleep typing. sorry, i think him bringing up drinking champaign in a limo as he drives by homeless ppl to be a socially aware statement, i'm sorry i have an opinion on this nor does this opinion mean i see him as a god
I think we all agree that Eddie isn't God (or is he?? lol)
But if people are gonna idolise someone, then I can't think of many better idols than Eddie.
Sydney 7/11/06, 8/11/06, 18/11/06, Newcastle 19/11/06, Sydney 22/11/09
"little secrets, tremors...turned to quake...
the smallest oceans still get...big, big waves..."
Just to continue the debate a little, why does anyone consider any celebrity God, whether they are athletes, musicians, actors or politician, because the bottom line is they rely on the working people for their lifestyle. Take Bono for instance, many hardcore U2 fans consider him a God like figure, but people need to understand that when he goes around asking G8 countries for money to fund Africa, it really cost the working middle class in the end, considering they pay the most taxes and are the largest tax group. Its nice to help other people out, but we must make sure that the money and food does not go into war machinery.
I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm partly tired of celebrities trying to get me to support their causes by never shutting up.
We the people can make their own choice.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
so....he made a comment about drinking champaigne while riding by in a limo and seeing ppl sleeping on the streets b/c...he wanted ppl to know he knew homeless ppl existed....? yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah
No, what he said equated to no more than stating that homelessness isn't cool. There was nothing more in that statement no matter how hard you try to squeeze more out. This is NOT any kind of example of how socially or politically aware Ed is. It's so paper thin statement you should be embarrassed for even trying to pass it off as such. I think this is a good exmple of the kind of stuff the OP was referring to.
No, what he said equated to no more than stating that homelessness isn't cool. There was nothing more in that statement no matter how hard you try to squeeze more out. This is NOT any kind of example of how socially or politically aware Ed is. It's so paper thin statement you should be embarrassed for even trying to pass it off as such. I think this is a good exmple of the kind of stuff the OP was referring to.
Or he sees the comment as Ed having a conscious about his own wealth and while so many go without which is completely socially aware considering so many could give a shit less. I certainly don't hear about Brittany Spears or Justin Timberlake making such statements. Obviously people can preceive a comment different ways...it's called an opinion. I don't see how that makes anyone look like they think Ed is god but whatever you feel the need to quarrel about dude...
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Or he sees the comment as having a conscious about his own wealth and while so many go without which is completely socially aware considering so many could give a shit less. I certainly don't hear about Brittany Spears or Justin Timberlake making such statements. Obviously people can preceive a comment different ways...it's called an opinion. I don't see how that makes anyone look like they think Ed is god but whatever you feel the need to quarrel about dude...
Oh come on... he acknowledges it and that's great. But it's not like he's slingin' soup for the homeless on Christmas Eve. Soe people just tend to read so much into the things Ed says that they end up seeing eaning where there really is none and somewhat deify him for it.
Oh come on... he acknowledges it and that's great. But it's not like he's slingin' soup for the homeless on Christmas Eve. Soe people just tend to read so much into the things Ed says that they end up seeing eaning where there really is none and somewhat deify him for it.
Yeah, I've already read your opinion and am able to grasp the concept that people are entitled to different ones.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Or he sees the comment as Ed having a conscious about his own wealth and while so many go without which is completely socially aware considering so many could give a shit less. I certainly don't hear about Brittany Spears or Justin Timberlake making such statements. Obviously people can preceive a comment different ways...it's called an opinion. I don't see how that makes anyone look like they think Ed is god but whatever you feel the need to quarrel about dude...
maybe brittany and justin do think homelessness is cool!
"hey guys...i'd just like to say homelessness...it's not cool"
ha
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.
I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.
People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.
Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.
Comments
What left and right?
Thou shalt not eat meat fuck face.
Oh Kabong, I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye.
Whether it's Ted Nugent or Neil young, politics has no business in rock and roll. I pay my hard earned money to hear artists perform songs that are representative to previous examples of their work.
When they start out as something and then mold into some political monster, that's not right. I started listening to NOFX with "punk in Drublic". When I saw NOFX, a couple years ago I had to listen to a couple 10 minute rantings on the administration when I would have wanted to listen to "new boobs" and "Bob" instead.
Now if you got into a band that was political to begin with like I have also, that's okay. "Anti-Heroes" (greatest band ever) or "Cock Sparrer" started out with political messages, because you know what your getting into. But when a band evolves that way, it's a no go and you are tacitly agreeing to their agenda due to your love for their music. Hence conservatives still listen to PJ.
Oh and by the way genius, that's "unknown Hinson" not Elvis Costello. Nice try though, sounds like you really know your music.
Elvis Costello
http://www.photomusicians.com/zoom/images/Elvis_Costello_220-14a.jpg
Unknown Hinson
http://www.continentalclub.com/Unknown%20Hinson.jpg
the still of the video on your site looked like elvis costello...guess i should've watched it...boy, you suuuuure showed me...:rolleyes:
now, as for the rest of my message and ppl being political just b/c eddie is...?
and pj had political songs on their first album...may not have been as dominate as riot act and this last one but it was still there...i guess you forgot eddie writing 'pro-choice' on his arm during unplugged back in 92? i guess you forgot songs like porch were on the first album? or the socio-politcal rants like the shoe the shoeless one in 93?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
difficult to dance round this one till ya pull it out
he must've been soooooo high
he must've been sooooo hiiiiiiigh
he must've been....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Totally. There's not many things that I agree with you on, but this is one of them. He is a human being, and far from infallible. Some people don't see it like this, whether they realize it or not.
But on the flipside, there's nothing wrong with admiring Eddie as a person. I look up to him for his music and his actions, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. It's a lot like admiring your mother or father... sure, they're not legends who will be in history books in a thousand years, but it's what they mean to you that's important.
The important thing is to do things because you want to, and not because your idols do.
Wait, I'm sorry but what!?! I totally agree that PJ has been political from the get-go but this is really, really stretching it.
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really? when he was talking about riding around in a limo seeing all the homeless ppl you didn't take that as social?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Actually, no. Stating that homeless people exist isn't my idea of social. Nor is making a joke about the shoes being thrown on stage. Taking something like that this far is foolish. It was not some great social statement. Ed was just beig Ed really.
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I hate to say this: No shit.
Who was that other mortal guy that people worship? They use his teachings as justifications for all their own opinions too. Started with J. . . .
-C Addison
Jerome bettis?
Yea, I have problems with that too.
so....he made a comment about drinking champaigne while riding by in a limo and seeing ppl sleeping on the streets b/c...he wanted ppl to know he knew homeless ppl existed....? yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Dude, he is just a guy. He doesn't wake up everyday saying "I must rebel and show people what's right!". He says what he says, hopefully makes a difference, then goes and plays some songs and parties. He is just a man.
oh, i missed the post where i said he was a god...my bad...i must've been sleep typing. sorry, i think him bringing up drinking champaign in a limo as he drives by homeless ppl to be a socially aware statement, i'm sorry i have an opinion on this nor does this opinion mean i see him as a god
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ok.
But if people are gonna idolise someone, then I can't think of many better idols than Eddie.
Sydney 7/11/06, 8/11/06, 18/11/06, Newcastle 19/11/06, Sydney 22/11/09
"little secrets, tremors...turned to quake...
the smallest oceans still get...big, big waves..."
I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm partly tired of celebrities trying to get me to support their causes by never shutting up.
We the people can make their own choice.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Worshiping Jesus is different from worshiping Eddie Vedder. I really hope I don't have to explain why.
Why? I'd like to know.
Praying to Eddie Vedder does just as much good to affect a particular outcome as praying to Jesus does, so, why not?
No, what he said equated to no more than stating that homelessness isn't cool. There was nothing more in that statement no matter how hard you try to squeeze more out. This is NOT any kind of example of how socially or politically aware Ed is. It's so paper thin statement you should be embarrassed for even trying to pass it off as such. I think this is a good exmple of the kind of stuff the OP was referring to.
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Or he sees the comment as Ed having a conscious about his own wealth and while so many go without which is completely socially aware considering so many could give a shit less. I certainly don't hear about Brittany Spears or Justin Timberlake making such statements. Obviously people can preceive a comment different ways...it's called an opinion. I don't see how that makes anyone look like they think Ed is god but whatever you feel the need to quarrel about dude...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh come on... he acknowledges it and that's great. But it's not like he's slingin' soup for the homeless on Christmas Eve. Soe people just tend to read so much into the things Ed says that they end up seeing eaning where there really is none and somewhat deify him for it.
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Yeah, I've already read your opinion and am able to grasp the concept that people are entitled to different ones.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
maybe brittany and justin do think homelessness is cool!
"hey guys...i'd just like to say homelessness...it's not cool"
ha
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes he is, next subject
Nooooooooooooooo......... my whole world has just come crashing around me!!!!!