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Eddie is not God

AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
Please don't ban me, lol.

Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.

I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.

People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.

Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.

Good Day.
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  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    All Hail He Who is That of Which are all Things Which are That of He Who is The Yamcumber....
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Darwin and Einstein are mortals too, you know.

    And by the way, I'm listening to Live at Benaroya Hall, and I strongly disagree with you...;)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Collin wrote:
    Darwin and Einstein are mortals too, you know.

    And by the way, I'm listening to Live at Benaroya Hall, and I strongly disagree with you...;)

    Ha ha ha. :)

    Music is entrancing and can have that effect on people.

    Of course Darwin and Einstein were also mortals, they made a lot of mistakes that are quite well known. I'm simply implying that Eddie is an artist and those two were scientists. A completely different distinction.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Please don't ban me, lol.

    Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.

    I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.

    People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.



    Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.

    Good Day.
    Who says he's God, people admire him and respect him, very much the same way people do with John Lennon and Bono. But to mention Brittney Spears and Eddie Vedder in the same sentence, shame.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    beemster wrote:
    Who says he's God, people admire him and respect him, very much the same way people do with John Lennon and Bono. But to mention Brittney Spears and Eddie Vedder in the same sentence, shame.

    Yeah, that should get you banned!:D
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    beemster wrote:
    Who says he's God, people admire him and respect him, very much the same way people do with John Lennon and Bono. But to mention Brittney Spears and Eddie Vedder in the same sentence, shame.

    I didn't consider the consequences of using those two names in the same sentence. Really, I should have known better. What's done is done though.

    But to say that something is right or wrong because of what any musician thinks is a bit ridiculous. It's obvious that everyone on this forum appreciates Pearl Jam's music and Eddie's voice, so to say "well Eddie thinks..." is just an attempt at distorting popular opinion with a popular icon.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't consider the consequences of using those two names in the same sentence. Really, I should have known better. What's done is done though.

    But to say that something is right or wrong because of what any musician thinks is a bit ridiculous. It's obvious that everyone on this forum appreciates Pearl Jam's music and Eddie's voice, so to say "well Eddie thinks..." is just an attempt at distorting popular opinion with a popular icon.

    I think people agree with Ed and quote him because he can say things very beautifully.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Collin wrote:
    I think people agree with Ed and quote him because he can say things very beautifully.

    Hmm, I see your point. At what point is beauty at the cost of articulation?

    I mean, I don't get any pearl jam song. I've read through the perceptions of various members on the Communications section and everyone gets something different from the lyrics, mostly because they are so vague.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't consider the consequences of using those two names in the same sentence. Really, I should have known better. What's done is done though.

    But to say that something is right or wrong because of what any musician thinks is a bit ridiculous. It's obvious that everyone on this forum appreciates Pearl Jam's music and Eddie's voice, so to say "well Eddie thinks..." is just an attempt at distorting popular opinion with a popular icon.

    I think some musician have powerful personalities that make people want to follow their lead, and personally I have to respect EV because he takes a stand against the war in Iraq and feels its wrong, he also also feels wiretapping and spying on your own citizens is wrong, and if by him lending a voice to a cause can create positive communication about a cause, whether you agree with the cause or not can only be good in the end.


    It's not much different than John Lennon's peace protest and Bob Geldolf and Bono lending their voice and time to the African cause.

    One thing musician's can do that politician can't do is get young people interested in a good cause, and thats mainly because politicians are self serving, power hungry, greedy, and only serve the interest of corporations.

    Here in Canada, just last week at the liberal convention in Montreal juring Jean Chretians speach he gave the liberal party credit for bringing the plight of Africa to the world's attention. Well for me, the first time I ever heard much about it was 1984 when Bob Geldoff organized Band Aid.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    That's the way it should be thought of Beemster.

    "I think this way because..." followed by real reasons.

    Rather than:

    "I think this way because..." so and so does.

    It's absolutely great that musicians get the word out, I love that. I've learned things from music and was totally amazed. Even from dudes(?) like Marilyn Manson, a very intuitive person. But, I have to discern for myself why those messages are meaningful and if they are right.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • miskinmiskin Posts: 278
    theres eddie then theres God.

    id say theres more proof for Eddie being almighty than God.

    ie Eddie made some orgasmic music.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    miskin wrote:
    theres eddie then theres God.

    id say theres more proof for Eddie being almighty than God.

    ie Eddie made some orgasmic music.

    Absolutely. But ultimately, if you want insight into the criminal justice system, you might want to consider what Clarence Darrow has to say, as opposed to a musician.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Absolutely. But ultimately, if you want insight into the criminal justice system, you might want to consider what Clarence Darrow has to say, as opposed to a musician.
    And if you want someone who is visionary and an artist, and who has their finger on the pulse the human heart and soul, you might try Eddie, or other such empathic, visionary artists, rather than a scientist or some legal expert.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Absolutely. But ultimately, if you want insight into the criminal justice system, you might want to consider what Clarence Darrow has to say, as opposed to a musician.
    I'd like to point out, just because you are an "expert", doesn't make an opinion better. You can't be forced to have a favorite color because an expert on colors says green is the best color... politics are nothing more than a bunch of opinions on life. Being a math whiz doesn't make your personal views and ideals of life better. Alot of political views are argueing the UNKNOWN. There are no experts on the unknown..
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'd like to point out, just becasue you are an "expert", doesn't make an opinion better. You can't be forced to have a favorite color because an expert on colors says green is the best color.

    Ah, but an expert on color wouldn't say that. They would say the everyone has varying cones and rods, that some colors appear more expressed to some people. Some people are color-blind, usually for red, so they wouldn't choose red as their favorite color, because they can't see it. Women that have 2 pigments for red, will probably like red better because it's more pronounced in their visual system.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Androgynous MindAndrogynous Mind Posts: 520
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Please don't ban me, lol.

    Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.

    I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.

    People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.

    Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.

    Good Day.

    Very well put. I agree with you.

    I love the music, but definately not everything Eddie says. Actually, other than the music, I don't know if we would have anything in common. I shake my head at some of the stuff that he says. Just a differing of opinions.

    Again, I love the music. He is a musical genius (along with the rest of the guys from PJ) in my eyes, but that is as far as my idolization goes.
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  • sapperskunksapperskunk Posts: 684
    I don't like Eddie Vedder period. I like the music of Pearl Jam. Vedder has a great voice, but that's all he's got. His politics, agendas and everything else can suck it.

    There are greater, wiser and much more profound people on this planet than a guy who makes millions every year singing in a rock band. You people need to get out more.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hmm, I see your point. At what point is beauty at the cost of articulation?

    I mean, I don't get any pearl jam song. I've read through the perceptions of various members on the Communications section and everyone gets something different from the lyrics, mostly because they are so vague.
    That's the beauty of it :)
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  • pearlposterfanpearlposterfan Posts: 102
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Please don't ban me, lol.

    Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.

    I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.

    People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.

    Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.

    Good Day.






    To me Eddie is just another very talented guy.
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    hippiemom wrote:
    That's the beauty of it :)

    or you could listen to nickelback
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  • ShE.dREAmS.in.CoLOrShE.dREAmS.in.CoLOr Posts: 341
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Please don't ban me, lol.

    Whenever an issue comes up on this board about eating meat, or perceptions of reality. People say "like Eddie" as if Eddie Vedder is a model of everything that's right and just.

    I hate to say this but Mr. Vedder is a mere mortal, a simple human being like the rest of us. His experiences have lead him to be what he is. If Mr. Vedder does not eat meat, does not mean that eating meat is bad, just means he thinks it is. I've never read a thesis by Mr. Vedder, but I imagine it would be three or four word phrases followed by "..." which could easily be sung to music.

    People on this board idolize him like he's the epitome of good. Ironically, people also mock others who idolize Brittney Spears or the like.

    Mr. Vedder, you are a great artist, a very intuitive individual and a symbol of our era. Your portrait will be hung in the halls of my mansion adjacent to Kurt Cobain. Yet, Einstein and Darwin will be found elsewhere.

    Good Day.
    Good Points all around, on all your posts. I totally agree. No Eddie is not a God, but he is a leader in a sense, hence why he's such a good "front man" :) He inspires a lot of people, myself included, but should be a clear distinction between agreeing with his ideas because you feel the same way and agreeing just because Eddie Vedder said it and I've seen people do both. Anyway, i could go on and on. I'd also like to add that i've enjoyed reading everyones posts on here, i think this is one of the better threads that i've seen. No one's been outwardly rude or negative... yet ;) hopefully we can keep it that way. :)
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  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    eddie vedder is not god, boom gasper is,...
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    sonicreducer wrote:
    or you could listen to nickelback
    What did I ever do to you, that you would wish such a thing on me? :p
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  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    hippiemom wrote:
    What did I ever do to you, that you would wish such a thing on me? :p

    i should have quoted Ahnimus. if he doesn't understand the beauty of it, he could listen to nickelback.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sonicreducer wrote:
    i should have quoted Ahnimus. if he doesn't understand the beauty of it, he could listen to nickelback.

    I appreciate the artistic beauty of both Pearl Jam and Nickelback, but not so much Nickelback.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I appreciate the artistic beauty of both Pearl Jam and Nickelback, but not so much Nickelback.

    nickelback's artistic beauty is on a different level than. pearl jam


    id rather have an incomplete sentence and just a name than put the two in the same sentence,...
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sonicreducer wrote:
    nickelback's artistic beauty is on a different level than. pearl jam


    id rather have an incomplete sentence and just a name than put the two in the same sentence,...

    Well, neither of them are any match for Tom Schultz and Boston, or Nazareth, or Led Zeppelin.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, neither of them are any match for Tom Schultz and Boston, or Nazareth, or Led Zeppelin.
    Sheesh, Ahnimus! You're on a roll tonight! Now you've got Boston and Led Zeppelin in the same sentence?!
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  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, neither of them are any match for Tom Schultz and Boston, or Nazareth, or Led Zeppelin.

    BLASPHEMY!

    incubus is pretty good too. i agree that those bands totally kick ass, but pearl jam was the first band i truly appreciated.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    sonicreducer wrote:
    BLASPHEMY!

    incubus is pretty good too. i agree that those bands totally kick ass, but pearl jam was the first band i truly appreciated.

    I love Incubus, Sick Sad Little World, Megalomaniac, Pardon Me. Even that song they did under a different name, shit can't remember it. "Falling Behind" or something.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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