I don't know, man ... The language is kind of metaphorical, but you don't think he's onto something at all? He said what I did, basically ... His language is more peotic than the pith I write, but the basic message? There's part of you that really does want to change. But you'll have to choose that part, at some point ... You'll have to choose it to represent who you really are.
You now have a lot of the information you need, yes? Even before you started this thread.
I don't need to change that I'm aware of. As Schopnehauer and Einstein said. A person can not will what he wants. What we want is not our choice.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yea, in the early 20s of life the pre-frontal cortex of the brain develops. It has nothing to do with free-will. It's all about logic and reasoning. Of course, you can't guarantee that every 20 year old is fully developed. For example, I think yours is slightly retarded.
ill take retarded over psychopathic any day of the week, thank you very much.
how noble of you to deign to come down and mingle with us peasants and grace us with your superior knowledge. shall i now grovel at your feet and beg for more nuggets of your wisdom?
Dude, I'm not preaching to you about law.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
ill take retarded over psychopathic any day of the week, thank you very much.
Do you know what it means to be a "Devil's Advocate"? that's the impression I get from you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
no, you're just preaching to us about your superior memorization of the psychology textbook you read.
That's textbooks, and sorry, I missed the part where you are studying psychology. I thought you were studying law.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you know what it means to be a "Devil's Advocate"? that's the impression I get from you.
not surprising. it's been applied to me before. i can see all sides of every issue. i only recoil when somebody's attitude rubs me the wrong way. like your narrow-minded and arrogant conviction that your beliefs are gospel and anyone who disagrees is stupid and simply cannot comprehend the level of intelligence you possess.
That's textbooks, and sorry, I missed the part where you are studying psychology. I thought you were studying law.
i have studied psychology as well. reading a book doesn't make you an expert. furthermore, your theories are pointless becos, as ive pointed out, there is absolutely no way to implement them in the real world. it's easy to talk about what psychology will work in a carefully controlled lab. but sadly for you, there's a real world out there that people like me have to deal with.
oh shit. now you've done it. you gave him what he's been looking for this whole a time, a chance to drone on endlessly about how nobody has free wil and nobody makes any choices.
oh shit. now you've done it. you gave him what he's been looking for this whole a time, a chance to drone on endlessly about how nobody has free wil and nobody makes any choices.
To expunge the false belief, one must first root it out.
Too much intellectualization is a defense mechanism, mind you.
i said this in a thread the other day but i think it deserves repeating here.
for some; this world will never be right. they have an emptiness inside them no amount of drink; drugs; or killing will ever fill. they are mad at the world; just for being born.
It's a myth created by theology and permeated by society.
You are the culprits.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i said this in a thread the other day but i think it deserves repeating here.
for some; this world will never be right. they have an emptiness inside them no amount of drink; drugs; or killing will ever fill. they are mad at the world; just for being born.
that sounds like something doc holliday said in tombstone
i said this in a thread the other day but i think it deserves repeating here.
for some; this world will never be right. they have an emptiness inside them no amount of drink; drugs; or killing will ever fill. they are mad at the world; just for being born.
Low seratonin, high testosterone, damage to the limbic system, etc.. etc..
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yes, there is. There's no evidence, however, that you understand free-will outside of some magical context.
Free-will extends from your self-awareness. It is your facility to observe your actions and select from the conclusions that exist in your mind.
Where'd they get it from?
How can there be culprits when everyone is a victim?
Just read up on it, you will see that there is no evidence. Self-awareness does not account for free-will.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's a myth created by theology and permeated by society.
You are the culprits.
So assuming this is true ... What do you even have to be unhappy about? And that's a serious question. If no one has ANY free will, then what is the source of lamenting one's life? Why worry about shit that is completely out of one's control?
Free will = a concern for one's life circumstances, and if you tell me that you aren't concerned, you're lying outright. Getting upset about an event, any event, requires free will. Its a choice made by a sentient being. What you might find devastating, someone else might find amusing. I firmly believe that these two people could learn, changing the beliefs that cause their specific reactions. Its hard, but its possible.
Is this "proveable" in a scientific sense? Of course not. And? It is a utilitarian philosophical position. You choose to reject it, using science as your basis.
All this philosophical discussion? Its a defense ... Where are you in all this free will, quoting Einstein weighty discussion stuff? What's Ahnimus really thinking and feeling at this moment? I am not interested in Schopenhauer. I am interested in where you're at, psychologically-speaking. Can you accept that someone else might actually be interested? Not in your book smarts (which are considerable), but in your actual self?
Low seratonin, high testosterone, damage to the limbic system, etc.. etc..
ah, pof course! everything is clearer now! well done sir!
im gonna go turn in my free will card. then im gonna torture a kitten and rape a woman. cos i wont be deciding to do those things, it'll be becos ahnimus made me realize how stupid i was being about free will and i can finally express my urges freely!
Unfortunately for you, it does. Perhaps if you thought about it you'd understand why you feel so helpless, and why all you can do is demand that other people solve your problems.
So assuming this is true ... What do you even have to be unhappy about? And that's a serious question. If no one has ANY free will, then what is the source of lamenting one's life? Why worry about shit that is completely out of one's control?
Free will = a concern for one's life circumstances, and if you tell me that you aren't concerned, you're lying outright. Getting upset about an event, any event, requires free will. Its a choice made by a sentient being. What you might find devastating, someone else might find amusing. I firmly believe that these two people could learn, changing the beliefs that cause their specific reactions. Its hard, but its possible.
Is this "proveable" in a scientific sense? Of course not. And? It is a utilitarian philosophical position. You choose to reject it, using science as your basis.
All this philosophical discussion? Its a defense ... Where are you in all this free will, quoting Einstein weighty discussion stuff? What's Ahnimus really thinking and feeling at this moment? I am not interested in Schopenhauer. I am interested in where you're at, psychologically-speaking. Can you accept that someone else might actually be interested? Not in your book smarts (which are considerable), but in your actual self?
My actual self? I'm not sure what you mean. I go to work, I pay my bills, I spend time with family. I'm sick as a dog right now, can't sleep cause I'm coughing so much and vommitting. My "self" as would be described by the masses, is just observing. Some neurobiologists believe that consciousness serves long-term planning. If that's what you mean by "self". Though I consider my "self" to encapsulate everything that I am. Physically and subjectively. Though I don't feel that my "experience" or "conscious awareness" has any choice in what happens to me.
Free will = a concern for one's life circumstances, does that mean that a worm has free-will, an amoeba has it?
Its a choice made by a sentient being. What you might find devastating, someone else might find amusing. I firmly believe that these two people could learn, changing the beliefs that cause their specific reactions. Its hard, but its possible.
Exactly, information explains the variability from one percept to the next.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Unfortunately for you, it does. Perhaps if you thought about it you'd understand why you feel so helpless, and why all you can do is demand that other people solve your problems.
Physics doesn't exactly explain free-will, and quantum physics says nothing, as our understanding of it is so primitive.
I don't feel helpless. I think you are ignorant.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's a myth created by theology and permeated by society.
You are the culprits.
free will seperates us from the other animals. it goes hand in hand with reasoning.
i have the choice to shoot my neighbour. free will and reasoning stops me. without free will i'm just another animal running on basic instincts.
While, I don't agree with the fatalists that God is behind everything. It's still much more believable than free-will.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
free will seperates us from the other animals. it goes hand in hand with reasoning.
i have the choice to shoot my neighbour. free will and reasoning stops me. without free will i'm just another animal running on basic instincts.
Sounds like you are confusing free-will with reasoning, or think they are synonymous.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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I don't need to change that I'm aware of. As Schopnehauer and Einstein said. A person can not will what he wants. What we want is not our choice.
ill take retarded over psychopathic any day of the week, thank you very much.
Dude, I'm not preaching to you about law.
no, you're just preaching to us about your superior memorization of the psychology textbook you read.
Do you know what it means to be a "Devil's Advocate"? that's the impression I get from you.
That's textbooks, and sorry, I missed the part where you are studying psychology. I thought you were studying law.
not surprising. it's been applied to me before. i can see all sides of every issue. i only recoil when somebody's attitude rubs me the wrong way. like your narrow-minded and arrogant conviction that your beliefs are gospel and anyone who disagrees is stupid and simply cannot comprehend the level of intelligence you possess.
i have studied psychology as well. reading a book doesn't make you an expert. furthermore, your theories are pointless becos, as ive pointed out, there is absolutely no way to implement them in the real world. it's easy to talk about what psychology will work in a carefully controlled lab. but sadly for you, there's a real world out there that people like me have to deal with.
Are you sure about that? I am ... unconvinced.
oh shit. now you've done it. you gave him what he's been looking for this whole a time, a chance to drone on endlessly about how nobody has free wil and nobody makes any choices.
To expunge the false belief, one must first root it out.
Too much intellectualization is a defense mechanism, mind you.
for some; this world will never be right. they have an emptiness inside them no amount of drink; drugs; or killing will ever fill. they are mad at the world; just for being born.
try explaining that to him. if you can sway him, ill quit groveling to him and switch to you
It's a myth created by theology and permeated by society.
You are the culprits.
that sounds like something doc holliday said in tombstone
Low seratonin, high testosterone, damage to the limbic system, etc.. etc..
Yes, there is. There's no evidence, however, that you understand free-will outside of some magical context.
Free-will extends from your self-awareness. It is your facility to observe your actions and select from the conclusions that exist in your mind.
Where'd they get it from?
How can there be culprits when everyone is a victim?
Huckleberry...............
Just read up on it, you will see that there is no evidence. Self-awareness does not account for free-will.
So assuming this is true ... What do you even have to be unhappy about? And that's a serious question. If no one has ANY free will, then what is the source of lamenting one's life? Why worry about shit that is completely out of one's control?
Free will = a concern for one's life circumstances, and if you tell me that you aren't concerned, you're lying outright. Getting upset about an event, any event, requires free will. Its a choice made by a sentient being. What you might find devastating, someone else might find amusing. I firmly believe that these two people could learn, changing the beliefs that cause their specific reactions. Its hard, but its possible.
Is this "proveable" in a scientific sense? Of course not. And? It is a utilitarian philosophical position. You choose to reject it, using science as your basis.
All this philosophical discussion? Its a defense ... Where are you in all this free will, quoting Einstein weighty discussion stuff? What's Ahnimus really thinking and feeling at this moment? I am not interested in Schopenhauer. I am interested in where you're at, psychologically-speaking. Can you accept that someone else might actually be interested? Not in your book smarts (which are considerable), but in your actual self?
ah, pof course! everything is clearer now! well done sir!
im gonna go turn in my free will card. then im gonna torture a kitten and rape a woman. cos i wont be deciding to do those things, it'll be becos ahnimus made me realize how stupid i was being about free will and i can finally express my urges freely!
Hehe...am I allowed to read this:
http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~stapp/PTB6.pdf
Unfortunately for you, it does. Perhaps if you thought about it you'd understand why you feel so helpless, and why all you can do is demand that other people solve your problems.
My actual self? I'm not sure what you mean. I go to work, I pay my bills, I spend time with family. I'm sick as a dog right now, can't sleep cause I'm coughing so much and vommitting. My "self" as would be described by the masses, is just observing. Some neurobiologists believe that consciousness serves long-term planning. If that's what you mean by "self". Though I consider my "self" to encapsulate everything that I am. Physically and subjectively. Though I don't feel that my "experience" or "conscious awareness" has any choice in what happens to me.
Free will = a concern for one's life circumstances, does that mean that a worm has free-will, an amoeba has it?
Its a choice made by a sentient being. What you might find devastating, someone else might find amusing. I firmly believe that these two people could learn, changing the beliefs that cause their specific reactions. Its hard, but its possible.
Exactly, information explains the variability from one percept to the next.
Physics doesn't exactly explain free-will, and quantum physics says nothing, as our understanding of it is so primitive.
I don't feel helpless. I think you are ignorant.
Physics does explain free-will. What physics does not explain is the magical process you believe free-will to be.
Then who's writing your posts?
You're entitled to think whatever you wish. Understand, however, that thinking something does not make it true.
and it's still a great quote and in the many years of my life; i have found it to be true.
actually it's a compilation of 2 quotes.
free will seperates us from the other animals. it goes hand in hand with reasoning.
i have the choice to shoot my neighbour. free will and reasoning stops me. without free will i'm just another animal running on basic instincts.
I've read both sides of the argument. Free-will doesn't compare to determinism as far as logic and proof goes.
Materialism, Fatalism, Destiny Theory, Determinism, Pre-determinism
Always make much more sense than:
Indeterminism, Freedom Philosophy, Compatibalism, etc..
While, I don't agree with the fatalists that God is behind everything. It's still much more believable than free-will.
Sounds like you are confusing free-will with reasoning, or think they are synonymous.