The Criminal Mind

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    Natur vs Nurture issue. Thats not for certain

    Nature or Nurture, they are both beyond our control.

    And it's actually Nature and Nurture.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    We are active members of our environments. So if we understand how the criminal mind develops, we can actively prevent it from happening.

    Why would we do that? Why wouldn't we actually encourage it to happen?
    So with that knowledge we can change the way things are. Without that knowledge, we can't do anything of the sort. Either way, we are subjects of our environment. T he knowledge is the key.

    The key to what? Change? What's the purpose of change?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Why would we do that? Why wouldn't we actually encourage it to happen?

    The key to what? Change? What's the purpose of change?

    Sociocultural evolution. Why would we stop burning witches?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sociocultural evolution. Why would we stop burning witches?

    That's a good question. If everything we are is simply the sum total of our environment, I see no good reason to stop burning witches (or anything else for that matter).
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Nature or Nurture, they are both beyond our control.

    And it's actually Nature and Nurture.

    I dont think the nurture issue is...that all depends on your enviornment and the type of up-bringing.

    And it can be nature and nurture or nature vs nurture.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's a good question. If everything we are is simply the sum total of our environment, I see no good reason to stop burning witches (or anything else for that matter).

    It's evolution, just as the plants and animals change over time, our society and culture evolves.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    I dont think the nurture issue is...that all depends on your enviornment and the type of up-bringing.

    And it can be nature and nurture or nature vs nurture.

    How your parents nurture you, is beyond your control.

    It's never nature vs nurture man. I've never seen that disputed in any textbook or anything. It's a social discussion.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's evolution, just as the plants and animals change over time, our society and culture evolves.

    Ok. But they don't evolve for the purpose of "not burning witches" or treating criminals nicely, do they? I mean, if we burned more witches, or simply imposed the death penalty for every conceivable crime, that would be evolution too, wouldn't it?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The main problem is, I alone can't protect people from society. Society as a whole needs to do that.

    Are you planning on being a prosecutor by any chance?

    im not sure. more likely a corporate headhunter. there's more money getting corporations off the hook for liability. id consider a prosecutor position, but given that i have a record of my own, im not sure they'd allow it. i wouldnt be a defense attorney. they're overworked and underpaid and have little little control over who they represent and what they can do for them.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. But they don't evolve for the purpose of "not burning witches" or treating criminals nicely, do they? I mean, if we burned more witches, or simply imposed the death penalty for every conceivable crime, that would be evolution too, wouldn't it?

    Certainly it would, but as with evolution, the greater sum of the changes tends to be good. We learn, we understand, we change.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not sure. more likely a corporate headhunter. there's more money getting corporations off the hook for liability. id consider a prosecutor position, but given that i have a record of my own, im not sure they'd allow it. i wouldnt be a defense attorney. they're overworked and underpaid and have little little control over who they represent and what they can do for them.

    That makes sense. Every defense attourney I've known has some level of compassion. :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Certainly it would, but as with evolution, the greater sum of the changes tends to be good. We learn, we understand, we change.

    Hehe..."good" on what standard??? How is the "greater sum of changes" good???
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No she didn't, but she spoke of it to neighbours and that. So they all get together and talk about him and form a public percept that is applied to his every action. 15 years from now, everyone will remember what he did.

    as they should. at 5 years old, you should have empathy. sounds like he was born without it, there's no curing that.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe..."good" on what standard??? How is the "greater sum of changes" good???

    We are indisputably more functional than bacteria.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    as they should. at 5 years old, you should have empathy. sounds like he was born without it, there's no curing that.

    Yes there is, I used to torture some of our family pets. They would always take preference to my sister, and I hated it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Nature or Nurture, they are both beyond our control.

    And it's actually Nature and Nurture.

    isnt the basis of your argument that we SHOULD control the environment to prevent these people from becoming criminals so we dont have to punish them for it later?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    We are indisputably more functional than bacteria.

    How so? If the only function is input -> output, we are equally as functional as bacteria.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That makes sense. Every defense attourney I've known has some level of compassion. :p

    i have compassion. i just bestow it upon those deserving of it. like the kids i counsel who are locked up in the local juvenille justice center. i counsel them and am doing litigation work to ensure that they are not being abused while there. shocking isnt it?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yes there is, I used to torture some of our family pets. They would always take preference to my sister, and I hated it.

    ah, so you ARE a psychopath? i always suspected you lacked any capacity for empathy.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    i have compassion. i just bestow it upon those deserving of it. like the kids i counsel who are locked up in the local juvenille justice center. i counsel them and am doing litigation work to ensure that they are not being abused while there. shocking isnt it?

    It's certainly not what I expected.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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