im not sure. more likely a corporate headhunter. there's more money getting corporations off the hook for liability. id consider a prosecutor position, but given that i have a record of my own, im not sure they'd allow it. i wouldnt be a defense attorney. they're overworked and underpaid and have little little control over who they represent and what they can do for them.
That makes sense. Every defense attourney I've known has some level of compassion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
No she didn't, but she spoke of it to neighbours and that. So they all get together and talk about him and form a public percept that is applied to his every action. 15 years from now, everyone will remember what he did.
as they should. at 5 years old, you should have empathy. sounds like he was born without it, there's no curing that.
Hehe..."good" on what standard??? How is the "greater sum of changes" good???
We are indisputably more functional than bacteria.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
as they should. at 5 years old, you should have empathy. sounds like he was born without it, there's no curing that.
Yes there is, I used to torture some of our family pets. They would always take preference to my sister, and I hated it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Nature or Nurture, they are both beyond our control.
And it's actually Nature and Nurture.
isnt the basis of your argument that we SHOULD control the environment to prevent these people from becoming criminals so we dont have to punish them for it later?
That makes sense. Every defense attourney I've known has some level of compassion.
i have compassion. i just bestow it upon those deserving of it. like the kids i counsel who are locked up in the local juvenille justice center. i counsel them and am doing litigation work to ensure that they are not being abused while there. shocking isnt it?
i have compassion. i just bestow it upon those deserving of it. like the kids i counsel who are locked up in the local juvenille justice center. i counsel them and am doing litigation work to ensure that they are not being abused while there. shocking isnt it?
It's certainly not what I expected.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
ah, so you ARE a psychopath? i always suspected you lacked any capacity for empathy.
I have empathy for both the cat and the child slaughtering it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
One is a slaughtered cat and the other is a boy that needs help.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I have empathy for both the cat and the child slaughtering it.
im sure you do, seeing as that child is you.
so let me ask, do you truly feel empathy, or do you just intellectually understand the concept and learn to fake it becos you know they will lock you up again if you dont?
cos guess what? im a reasonable guy. i just happen to disagree with your policy suggestions becos i recognize that they are utterly impracticable.
I would suggest that's because you don't understand them.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so let me ask, do you truly feel empathy, or do you just intellectually understand the concept and learn to fake it becos you know they will lock you up again if you dont?
Gee, your real empathetic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I would suggest that's because you don't understand them.
i perfectly understand the premise of your argument, but it is impossible to put into practice. even if we did brain scans of every child annually we could not tell who was dangerous. but that's moot becos we'd never have the resources to do such scans. and we'd never be able to force a child into treatment or therapy based upon it... that would carry a worse stigma than the current system you bemoan so much. instead of labelling a kid a psycho for torturing a cat, we'd label him a psycho becos a brain scan makes it look like he might think about torturing a cat. plus the scan would be dependent on his mental state at the time of study. the kid would likely not understand why he's forced into treatment and wrong becos there would be no connection to any wrong actions. it's why i think it's ridiculous how much we prescribe add. we'd have millions of psycho kids on lockdown for no reason. psych wards would be overflowing and we'd be worse off than before.
We are active members of our environments. So if we understand how the criminal mind develops, we can actively prevent it from happening. So with that knowledge we can change the way things are. Without that knowledge, we can't do anything of the sort. Either way, we are subjects of our environment. T he knowledge is the key.
I doubt that the sort of people who sit around thinking about how to not create psychopaths are the ones raising psychopaths. As of now, we have no way to ensure that every child is raised in a reasonably well-functioning home, and I'm not at all sure that we ever will. Knowledge is wonderful, but we're going to have psychopaths with us for a long time. Parents who torture their children are not reading the latest literature on how to raise healthy kids.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
i perfectly understand the premise of your argument, but it is impossible to put into practice. even if we did brain scans of every child annually we could not tell who was dangerous. but that's moot becos we'd never have the resources to do such scans. and we'd never be able to force a child into treatment or therapy based upon it... that would carry a worse stigma than the current system you bemoan so much. instead of labelling a kid a psycho for torturing a cat, we'd label him a psycho becos a brain scan makes it look like he might think about torturing a cat. plus the scan would be dependent on his mental state at the time of study. the kid would likely not understand why he's forced into treatment and wrong becos there would be no connection to any wrong actions. it's why i think it's ridiculous how much we prescribe add. we'd have millions of psycho kids on lockdown for no reason. psych wards would be overflowing and we'd be worse off than before.
You don't need to examine every child. But when a child tortures an animal, it's indicative of mental problems and that the current system isn't working.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You don't need to examine every child. But when a child tortures an animal, it's indicative of mental problems and that the current system isn't working.
Its not the systems fault for every little fuck up.
I doubt that the sort of people who sit around thinking about how to not create psychopaths are the ones raising psychopaths. As of now, we have no way to ensure that every child is raised in a reasonably well-functioning home, and I'm not at all sure that we ever will. Knowledge is wonderful, but we're going to have psychopaths with us for a long time. Parents who torture their children are not reading the latest literature on how to raise healthy kids.
No shit, but what are you doing as a parent? Are you taking the responsibility to understand them? Or are you just repeating the process?
I'm not asking everyone in the world to change anything. I'm ask you the people of this board to do something right. Maybe that's why you feel like you need to defend yourselves.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
consider it therapy. ive suspected this for a long time and maybe il deal with you differently from now on. but ive noticed this block about you. you cant comprehend the experience of others, only your own, which you inevitably feel is normal. no thought anyone has is valid or reasonable unless it jives with what you consider valid and reasonable. your only insight into the behavior of others comes from textbooks, not an empathetic understanding of their motives and desires. you explain your psychoses by textbook explnations of abuse, so you assume that anyone else who acts out has to have had similar abuse. you dont seem to understand simple jokes. there are a multitude of different signs of this that ive noticed.
perhaps you have changed your behaviors and i am glad to hear that. it does provide hope for reform. but im wondering if the underlying issue changes or if you simply learn to adapt to more acceptable behaviors. i get the sense it's more the latter and if that be the case, maybe ill try harder not to provoke you.
I'm ask you the people of this board to do something right.
If you really understood your own position, you'd understand that there is no "right" in your world. Furthermore, asking us to do something would be pretty silly. You'd be better off using a cattle prod.
Examine your own logic, and you'll see why you feel so helpless.
Its not the systems fault for every little fuck up.
Oh no? Who would you blame? Who would you point the finger at to ease your concsious?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
consider it therapy. ive suspected this for a long time and maybe il deal with you differently from now on. but ive noticed this block about you. you cant comprehend the experience of others, only your own, which you inevitably feel is normal. no thought anyone has is valid or reasonable unless it jives with what you consider valid and reasonable. your only insight into the behavior of others comes from textbooks, not an empathetic understanding of their motives and desires. you explain your psychoses by textbook explnations of abuse, so you assume that anyone else who acts out has to have had similar abuse. you dont seem to understand simple jokes. there are a multitude of different signs of this that ive noticed.
perhaps you have changed your behaviors and i am glad to hear that. it does provide hope for reform. but im wondering if the underlying issue changes or if you simply learn to adapt to more acceptable behaviors. i get the sense it's more the latter and if that be the case, maybe ill try harder not to provoke you.
Dude, don't try to analyze me. You are failing miserably.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You don't need to examine every child. But when a child tortures an animal, it's indicative of mental problems and that the current system isn't working.
Does the system need work? Absolutely it does. We need more programs to de-stigmatize mental illnesses like depression and ADHD. We need more funding to pay for proper treatment and assessments ... We need to make sure our services get to more of the people who need them. We need funds to research new treatments for conditions like psychopathy.
But is mental illness ever going to be eradicated? Never. You cannot measure the efficacy of a system by the yes-no existence of a phenomenon. You can look at numbers, for sure. The percentage of people who don't get help for a mental illness needs to decrease. But like hippiemom suggested, you could have the best services possible ... And many people still wouldn't access them. That's where some element of choice or free will comes in.
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That makes sense. Every defense attourney I've known has some level of compassion.
Hehe..."good" on what standard??? How is the "greater sum of changes" good???
as they should. at 5 years old, you should have empathy. sounds like he was born without it, there's no curing that.
We are indisputably more functional than bacteria.
Yes there is, I used to torture some of our family pets. They would always take preference to my sister, and I hated it.
isnt the basis of your argument that we SHOULD control the environment to prevent these people from becoming criminals so we dont have to punish them for it later?
How so? If the only function is input -> output, we are equally as functional as bacteria.
i have compassion. i just bestow it upon those deserving of it. like the kids i counsel who are locked up in the local juvenille justice center. i counsel them and am doing litigation work to ensure that they are not being abused while there. shocking isnt it?
ah, so you ARE a psychopath? i always suspected you lacked any capacity for empathy.
It's certainly not what I expected.
I have empathy for both the cat and the child slaughtering it.
What's the difference?
cos guess what? im a reasonable guy. i just happen to disagree with your policy suggestions becos i recognize that they are utterly impracticable.
One is a slaughtered cat and the other is a boy that needs help.
Needs help to do what?
im sure you do, seeing as that child is you.
so let me ask, do you truly feel empathy, or do you just intellectually understand the concept and learn to fake it becos you know they will lock you up again if you dont?
I would suggest that's because you don't understand them.
Gee, your real empathetic.
To get better, I thought that would be obvious.
To "get better" at what?
i perfectly understand the premise of your argument, but it is impossible to put into practice. even if we did brain scans of every child annually we could not tell who was dangerous. but that's moot becos we'd never have the resources to do such scans. and we'd never be able to force a child into treatment or therapy based upon it... that would carry a worse stigma than the current system you bemoan so much. instead of labelling a kid a psycho for torturing a cat, we'd label him a psycho becos a brain scan makes it look like he might think about torturing a cat. plus the scan would be dependent on his mental state at the time of study. the kid would likely not understand why he's forced into treatment and wrong becos there would be no connection to any wrong actions. it's why i think it's ridiculous how much we prescribe add. we'd have millions of psycho kids on lockdown for no reason. psych wards would be overflowing and we'd be worse off than before.
You don't need to examine every child. But when a child tortures an animal, it's indicative of mental problems and that the current system isn't working.
Its not the systems fault for every little fuck up.
No shit, but what are you doing as a parent? Are you taking the responsibility to understand them? Or are you just repeating the process?
I'm not asking everyone in the world to change anything. I'm ask you the people of this board to do something right. Maybe that's why you feel like you need to defend yourselves.
consider it therapy. ive suspected this for a long time and maybe il deal with you differently from now on. but ive noticed this block about you. you cant comprehend the experience of others, only your own, which you inevitably feel is normal. no thought anyone has is valid or reasonable unless it jives with what you consider valid and reasonable. your only insight into the behavior of others comes from textbooks, not an empathetic understanding of their motives and desires. you explain your psychoses by textbook explnations of abuse, so you assume that anyone else who acts out has to have had similar abuse. you dont seem to understand simple jokes. there are a multitude of different signs of this that ive noticed.
perhaps you have changed your behaviors and i am glad to hear that. it does provide hope for reform. but im wondering if the underlying issue changes or if you simply learn to adapt to more acceptable behaviors. i get the sense it's more the latter and if that be the case, maybe ill try harder not to provoke you.
If you really understood your own position, you'd understand that there is no "right" in your world. Furthermore, asking us to do something would be pretty silly. You'd be better off using a cattle prod.
Examine your own logic, and you'll see why you feel so helpless.
Oh no? Who would you blame? Who would you point the finger at to ease your concsious?
Dude, don't try to analyze me. You are failing miserably.
Does the system need work? Absolutely it does. We need more programs to de-stigmatize mental illnesses like depression and ADHD. We need more funding to pay for proper treatment and assessments ... We need to make sure our services get to more of the people who need them. We need funds to research new treatments for conditions like psychopathy.
But is mental illness ever going to be eradicated? Never. You cannot measure the efficacy of a system by the yes-no existence of a phenomenon. You can look at numbers, for sure. The percentage of people who don't get help for a mental illness needs to decrease. But like hippiemom suggested, you could have the best services possible ... And many people still wouldn't access them. That's where some element of choice or free will comes in.