And you think I'm crazy!

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, obviously I'm not Lobe, I'm not masterminding a plan, I was being arrogant out of jest, I thought that was apparent.

    i know you were. i apologise for being in an adversarial mood ahnimus. i'm not exactly in a good place at the moment, so i'm looking for an outlet for my frustration. and you are a good opponent to parry with. my apologies again. :)
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  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm surprised I didn't know much about them. Maybe because it was a UK murder. Also it was a single murder. Typically I read up on mass murderers and serial killers.

    I was actually reading about Clarence Darrow and I stumbled across their case file on crimelibrary.com and found it very fascinating. The human mind is all screwy, I tell you.

    It happened in the USA, not the UK. I think it was Chicago but I would have to check.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    i know you were. i apologise for being in an adversarial mood ahnimus. i'm not exactly in a good place at the moment, so i'm looking for an outlet for my frustration. and you are a good opponent to parry with. my apologies again. :)

    No, that's cool. I'm always up for letting someone vent, granted that I know that's what is happening. :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    I agree the human mind is screwy...
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    small town beck wrote:
    It happened in the USA, not the UK. I think it was Chicago but I would have to check.

    Hey good memory, it was Chicago.

    I don't know why I thought it was in Europe, I guess because of the huge fucking castles their families owns.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'm reading about this guy next Marcus Wesson.

    Apparently mind fucked his kids into having kids with him and then killing themselves and their children. 9 pople in total killed themselves because of this dudes brainwashing. So much for free-will. I'm surprised I didn't hear about this when it happened, but I'm not much for American media.

    http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/marcus_wesson/2.html
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hey good memory, it was Chicago.

    I don't know why I thought it was in Europe, I guess because of the huge fucking castles their families owns.

    Yeah I just went to check because I was sure it was Chicago but it had been a bit so I figured I should reaffirm this just in case I was wrong.. :o of course I was RIGHT and as my friend Krista likes to remind me that I LOVE being right.. :p
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    He hasn't been around much at all lately. :(
    He's mentioned law school finals a few times, so don't despair ... the semester has to be just about over.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    small town beck wrote:
    Yeah I just went to check because I was sure it was Chicago but it had been a bit so I figured I should reaffirm this just in case I was wrong.. :o of course I was RIGHT and as my friend Krista likes to remind me that I LOVE being right.. :p

    I didn't care much about where it happened personally, but thanks for correcting me.

    I am more fascinated by the fact that these kids had it all, they had everything anyone could want.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    He's mentioned law school finals a few times, so don't despair ... the semester has to be just about over.

    Yea, then I can officially hate him as a lawyer on the wrong side of the fence.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    leopold dropped his glasses near the body and even though the prescription was common enough, the hinge was not and there were only three people who were in possession of it. and then there's loeb, who couldn't help but offer his services to a reporter. telling him at one stage that the ransom call probably came from a particular drug store.



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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    leopold dropped his glasses near the body and even though the prescription was common enough, the hinge was not and there were only three people who were in possession of it. and then there's loeb, who couldn't help but offer his services to a reporter. telling him at one stage that the ransom call probably came from a particular drug store.

    first rule of prey is never kill anyone you know or have any kind of association with.

    Yea, there was a mountain of evidence. The hinges on the glasses were very telling to the trained eye. I think Lobe's arrogance is what got them in the end though.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Honestly, I was really impressed with Clarence Darrow's speeches. I can't believe he spent 2 hours giving his final defense statement. That would be a lot.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't care much about where it happened personally, but thanks for correcting me.

    I am more fascinated by the fact that these kids had it all, they had everything anyone could want.

    There is a good quote from Less Than Zero(the book) that I think would be rather apt here.. now if I could only remember.

    *goes to bookshelf to look for book*
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    small town beck wrote:
    There is a good quote from Less Than Zero(the book) that I think would be rather apt here.. now if I could only remember.

    *goes to bookshelf to look for book*

    "They call it a cold-blooded murder because they want to take human lives....This is the most cold-blooded murder, says the State, that ever occurred....I have never yet tried a case where the state's attorney did not say that it was the most cold-blooded, inexcusable, premeditated case that ever occurred. If is was murder, there never was such a murder...Lawyers are apt to say that."" - Clarence Darrow
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    "They had a weird, almost impossible relationship. Leopold, with his obsession of the superman, had repeatedly said that Loeb was his idea of the superman. He had the attitude toward him that one has to his most devoted friend, or that a man has to a lover. Without the combination of these two, nothing of this sort probably would have happened....all the testimony of the alienists....shows that this terrible act was the act of immature and diseased brains, the act of children.

    "Nobody can explain it any other way.

    "No one can imagine it any other way.

    "It is not possible that it could have happened in any other way."

    Clarence Darrow
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    "The easy thing and the popular thing to do is to hang my clients. I know it. Men and women who do not think will applaud. The cruel and thoughtless will approve. It will be easy today; but in Chicago, and reaching out over the length and breadth of the land, more and more fathers and mothers, the humane, the kind and the hopeful, who are gaining an understanding and asking questions not only about these poor boys, but their own — these will join in no acclaim at the death of my clients. They would ask that the shedding of blood be stopped, and that the normal feelings of man resume their sway. And as the days and the months and the years go on, they will ask it more and more.

    "But, Your Honor, what they shall ask may not count. I know the easy way. I know Your Honor stands between the future and the past. I know the future is with me, and what I stand for here; not merely for the lives of these two unfortunate lads, but for all boys and girls; for all of the young, and as far as possible, for all of the old. I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all. I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness, and hatred with love. I know the future is on my side...

    "I feel that I should apologize for the length of time I have taken. This case may not be as important as I think it is, and I am sure I do not need to tell this court, or to tell my friends that I would fight just as hard for the poor as for the rich. If I should succeed in saving these boys' lives and do nothing for the progress of the law, I should feel sad, indeed. If I can succeed, my greatest reward and my greatest hope will be that I have done something for the tens of thousands of other boys, for the countless unfortunates who must tread the same road in blind childhood that these boys have trod; that I have done something to help human understanding, to temper justice with mercy, to overcome hate with love."

    - Clarence Darrow

    Absolutely amazing for the time.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, there was a mountain of evidence. The hinges on the glasses were very telling to the trained eye. I think Lobe's arrogance is what got them in the end though.

    leopold said too much. thinking he could explain his way out of any situation. he was also a fan of nietzsche and the "superman" theory of one being above morality. of having one's own code of right and wrong. put this together with loeb's love of detective novels and you've got terrible potential for wrongdoing.
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  • small town beck
    small town beck Posts: 6,691
    Not that any good comes of wondering but I suppose in idle curiousity I can't help but wonder if the two had never met what would have happened?? Not just for Leopold and Loeb but with other people as well. Karla Homolka and Paul Bernado. All sorts of people. That two people just bring out the absolute worse in each other.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    small town beck wrote:
    Not that any good comes of wondering but I suppose in idle curiousity I can't help but wonder if the two had never met what would have happened?? Not just for Leopold and Loeb but with other people as well. Karla Homolka and Paul Bernado. All sorts of people. That two people just bring out the absolute worse in each other.

    well bobby franks would more than likely have lived a longer life. leopold was enamoured of loeb, so he would have done anything for the younger boy. and loeb knew it.
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