Not that any good comes of wondering but I suppose in idle curiousity I can't help but wonder if the two had never met what would have happened?? Not just for Leopold and Loeb but with other people as well. Karla Homolka and Paul Bernado. All sorts of people. That two people just bring out the absolute worse in each other.
That's just it, Charles Starkweather and Caril Anne Fugate is another very well known example. But they all have horrors in their pasts. Caril Anne Fugate wanted her parents dead because of the sexual and psychological abuse in her family. She was happy to see them die, and assisted in killing them. Then her and Charlie went on a rampage because they had crossed the line. Many people when they kill, feel as Starkweather did when he killed the first one, the gas stations attendent. He felt that he had transcended morality, that he was beyond normal human understanding and that he was basically the bringer of death in God's name. I think it's an ego defense mechanism of some sort.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's just it, Charles Starkweather and Caril Anne Fugate is another very well known example. But they all have horrors in their pasts. Caril Anne Fugate wanted her parents dead because of the sexual and psychological abuse in her family. She was happy to see them die, and assisted in killing them. Then her and Charlie went on a rampage because they had crossed the line. Many people when they kill, feel as Starkweather did when he killed the first one, the gas stations attendent. He felt that he had transcended morality, that he was beyond normal human understanding and that he was basically the bringer of death in God's name. I think it's an ego defense mechanism of some sort.
i think these killers are humans in their most pure form. those that plan and plot and have no remorse. or once caught have remorse but say something else was driving them. being human does not exclude us from having predatory tendencies. society has, for the most part, just conditioned us to suppress them.
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I didn't care much about where it happened personally, but thanks for correcting me.
I am more fascinated by the fact that these kids had it all, they had everything anyone could want.
I found the quote. I know everyone was on the edge of their freaking seats :rolleyes:
So after one of Clay's friends shows him they have a 12 year old girl tied up and taking turns on her. Clay asks why. At first his friend says why not but Clay doesn't let it go and it goes back and forth.
Clay says "But you don't need anything. You have everything." His friend disagrees and then finally ends it
Not that any good comes of wondering but I suppose in idle curiousity I can't help but wonder if the two had never met what would have happened?? Not just for Leopold and Loeb but with other people as well. Karla Homolka and Paul Bernado. All sorts of people. That two people just bring out the absolute worse in each other.
It's pretty well known that we attract situations to us depending on our subconscious dynamics that often we are unaware of. It's more like we unconsciously look for the variables to outlet our agendas. To me it seems like if it wasn't "that" person, it'd be one just like them. Forunately, for most of us the situations aren't as severe. However, we still all attract what brings out our worst, giving us the opportunity to resolve and move past it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It's pretty well known that we attract situations to us depending on our subconscious dynamics that often we are unaware of. It's more like we unconsciously look for the variables to outlet our agendas. To me it seems like if it wasn't "that" person, it'd be one just like them. Forunately, for most of us the situations aren't as severe. However, we still all attract what brings out our worst, giving us the opportunity to resolve and move past it.
having someone validate our feelings and actions is a powerful aphrodisiac. whether the outcome is sex or murder. if this other person does it then it must be okay, right? i'm not such a freak then, am i?
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having someone validate our feelings and actions is a powerful aphrodisiac. whether the outcome is sex or murder. if this other person does it then it must be okay, right? i'm not such a freak then, am i?
Exactly. I read a book on Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka and their relationship started based on varying levels of S&M. They played with fine lines and upped the ante, until the day came where Paul asked Karla if he could have sex with her underage sister. Karla obviously complied, leading to the death of her own sister. Karla is also in the top 3 percentile of intelligence, too.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i think these killers are humans in their most pure form. those that plan and plot and have no remorse. or once caught have remorse but say something else was driving them. being human does not exclude us from having predatory tendencies. society has, for the most part, just conditioned us to suppress them.
Well, there are many things that "drive" a person to kill. The mind is so dynamic that it's difficult to always identify a singular cause or any cause. But if we try hard enough we can understand. Most killers have demons in their past they are trying to kill.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I found the quote. I know everyone was on the edge of their freaking seats :rolleyes:
So after one of Clay's friends shows him they have a 12 year old girl tied up and taking turns on her. Clay asks why. At first his friend says why not but Clay doesn't let it go and it goes back and forth.
Clay says "But you don't need anything. You have everything." His friend disagrees and then finally ends it
"I don't have anything to lose"
That's pretty twisted, is that from a work of fiction or non-fiction?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Exactly. I read a book on Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka and their relationship started based on varying levels of S&M. They played with fine lines and upped the ante, until the day came where Paul asked Karla if he could have sex with her underage sister. Karla obviously complied, leading to the death of her own sister. Karla is also in the top 3 percentile of intelligence, too.
Yea, intelligence seems to go hand-in-hand with psychotic disorders and psychopathic disorders. It's messed right up. I still don't think that is solely a cause, but I think that the pressure for them to achieve intelligence may play a role.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
it's from less than zero by bret easton ellis. he wrote american psycho. both fiction.
Sounds like he has some insight into the criminal mind. Not surprising a lot of people are fascinated by killers.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yea, intelligence seems to go hand-in-hand with psychotic disorders and psychopathic disorders. It's messed right up. I still don't think that is solely a cause, but I think that the pressure for them to achieve intelligence may play a role.
Also, many of the people I know who have high intelligence feel they are above the law, so to speak. I see it on this board--people who think it gives them license to be derogatory or whatever--they believe they "get it". And really, such an approach reveals a "not getting it". I know people who have a bent to them that they are beyond and above average, and they act like they are entitled to take advantage of that.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Also, many of the people I know who have high intelligence feel they are above the law, so to speak. I see it on this board--people who think it gives them license to be derogatory or whatever--they believe they "get it". And really, such an approach reveals a "not getting it". I know people who have a bent to them that they are beyond and above average, and they act like they are entitled to take advantage of that.
Well that describes most of us on here
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Exactly. Get a bunch of intelligent anti-establishment types together and what do you get? Rock n Roll is the devil's playground, don't you know.
Well, it's good that we all disagree, otherwise we'd be a cult.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i know i am. it is the dark side people are too scared to acknowledge.
I have a whole bunch of movies about killers. Not like Friday the 13th or anything like that. I like movies that are at least based on real stories. Like Natural Born Killers, Starkweather, Bundy, Hannibal and so on.
Those are some of my favourite movies.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I have a whole bunch of movies about killers. Not like Friday the 13th or anything like that. I like movies that are at least based on real stories. Like Natural Born Killers, Starkweather, Bundy, Hannibal and so on.
Those are some of my favourite movies.
hannibal is shit ahnimus. it insults my intelligence the way they make lecter out to be how he is. did you know thomas harris has written another book? it's called hannibal rising. it's about how he got to be the charasmatic killer he became. he should have stopped at silence of the lambs. not that i'm much of a fan of that anyway.
actually badlands is one of my fave films.
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hannibal is shit ahnimus. it insults my intelligence the way they make lecter out to be how he is. did you know thomas harris has written another book? it's called hannibal rising. it's about how he got to be the charasmatic killer he became. he should have stopped at silence of the lambs. not that i'm much of a fan of that anyway.
actually badlands is one of my fave films.
Well, I assumed some of the content in those movies is false. I mean, drugging a guy and making him eat his own brain, I can see how that could happen, but I always take the movies with a grain of salt.
I'm not much of a movie buff, what is badlands about?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, I assumed some of the content in those movies is false. I mean, drugging a guy and making him eat his own brain, I can see how that could happen, but I always take the movies with a grain of salt.
I'm not much of a movie buff, what is badlands about?
charles starkwether. it's a terrence malick film. it's got martin sheen and sissy spacek in it. it's worth a view.
ray liotta's character deserved what he got anyway. he was a prick.
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Well, I was reading through this website http://www.thescienceforum.com and I found that the majority of the topics being discussed are related to what I've been discussing. Free-will and determinism/predeterminism being a huge topic spanning many many threads. The origin of the universe being another huge topic spanning many many threads.
I would suggest reading through it, if you honestly think I am crazy. Many people on that forum are very scientifically coherent and many are inline with my thoughts.
So, I think I'm going to spend most of my time over there with reasonable debates. Once they activate my account!
What is the fun in discussing/debating with people who agree with you?
What is the fun in discussing/debating with people who agree with you?
They don't all agree, that's the beauty, but some do. So you get a nice evened debate, instead of everyone just trashing someone who thinks differently.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
They don't all agree, that's the beauty, but some do. So you get a nice evened debate, instead of everyone just trashing someone who thinks differently.
do you ever ponder as to why people may trash you?
Some may just be jerks, but do you think you ever provoke it?
do you ever ponder as to why people may trash you?
Some may just be jerks, but do you think you ever provoke it?
Oh absolutely. I provoke them by telling them they are wrong. People don't like to hear that and will cling to their paradigms. But someone has to do it. At least I'm not like "the face", you know?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oh absolutely. I provoke them by telling them they are wrong. People don't like to hear that and will cling to their paradigms. But someone has to do it. At least I'm not like "the face", you know?
What is more important.....proving someone is wrong, or proving you are right?
What is more important.....proving someone is wrong, or proving you are right?
There is a difference.
It doesn't matter, I'll settle for either
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I completely understood what I was saying and stick by it even now. Others are on-board and more will realize it. I was surprised that Soulsinging hit the nail on the head with the discussion of coin flipping dynamics. He said something like "Imagine everything since the big bang has happened according to specific laws" or something to that effect, then he proceeded to trash me while discussing the topic.
I think everyone will make the realization at some point, but their existing prejudices may cause them to disregard it.
awww, shit man, thank you. ive no idea what i said, but im glad i meet with your approval now and again.
this doesn't mean i dont still think you're crazy though... sorry! glad you found a home where people speak your language.
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That's just it, Charles Starkweather and Caril Anne Fugate is another very well known example. But they all have horrors in their pasts. Caril Anne Fugate wanted her parents dead because of the sexual and psychological abuse in her family. She was happy to see them die, and assisted in killing them. Then her and Charlie went on a rampage because they had crossed the line. Many people when they kill, feel as Starkweather did when he killed the first one, the gas stations attendent. He felt that he had transcended morality, that he was beyond normal human understanding and that he was basically the bringer of death in God's name. I think it's an ego defense mechanism of some sort.
i think these killers are humans in their most pure form. those that plan and plot and have no remorse. or once caught have remorse but say something else was driving them. being human does not exclude us from having predatory tendencies. society has, for the most part, just conditioned us to suppress them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I found the quote. I know everyone was on the edge of their freaking seats :rolleyes:
So after one of Clay's friends shows him they have a 12 year old girl tied up and taking turns on her. Clay asks why. At first his friend says why not but Clay doesn't let it go and it goes back and forth.
Clay says "But you don't need anything. You have everything." His friend disagrees and then finally ends it
"I don't have anything to lose"
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having someone validate our feelings and actions is a powerful aphrodisiac. whether the outcome is sex or murder. if this other person does it then it must be okay, right? i'm not such a freak then, am i?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Well, there are many things that "drive" a person to kill. The mind is so dynamic that it's difficult to always identify a singular cause or any cause. But if we try hard enough we can understand. Most killers have demons in their past they are trying to kill.
That's pretty twisted, is that from a work of fiction or non-fiction?
Yea, intelligence seems to go hand-in-hand with psychotic disorders and psychopathic disorders. It's messed right up. I still don't think that is solely a cause, but I think that the pressure for them to achieve intelligence may play a role.
it's from less than zero by bret easton ellis. he wrote american psycho. both fiction.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sounds like he has some insight into the criminal mind. Not surprising a lot of people are fascinated by killers.
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Well that describes most of us on here
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Well, it's good that we all disagree, otherwise we'd be a cult.
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i know i am. it is the dark side people are too scared to acknowledge.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I have a whole bunch of movies about killers. Not like Friday the 13th or anything like that. I like movies that are at least based on real stories. Like Natural Born Killers, Starkweather, Bundy, Hannibal and so on.
Those are some of my favourite movies.
hannibal is shit ahnimus. it insults my intelligence the way they make lecter out to be how he is. did you know thomas harris has written another book? it's called hannibal rising. it's about how he got to be the charasmatic killer he became. he should have stopped at silence of the lambs. not that i'm much of a fan of that anyway.
actually badlands is one of my fave films.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well, I assumed some of the content in those movies is false. I mean, drugging a guy and making him eat his own brain, I can see how that could happen, but I always take the movies with a grain of salt.
I'm not much of a movie buff, what is badlands about?
charles starkwether. it's a terrence malick film. it's got martin sheen and sissy spacek in it. it's worth a view.
ray liotta's character deserved what he got anyway. he was a prick.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
What is the fun in discussing/debating with people who agree with you?
They don't all agree, that's the beauty, but some do. So you get a nice evened debate, instead of everyone just trashing someone who thinks differently.
do you ever ponder as to why people may trash you?
Some may just be jerks, but do you think you ever provoke it?
Oh absolutely. I provoke them by telling them they are wrong. People don't like to hear that and will cling to their paradigms. But someone has to do it. At least I'm not like "the face", you know?
What is more important.....proving someone is wrong, or proving you are right?
There is a difference.
how does one prove opinion right or wrong?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
It doesn't matter, I'll settle for either
awww, shit man, thank you. ive no idea what i said, but im glad i meet with your approval now and again.
this doesn't mean i dont still think you're crazy though... sorry! glad you found a home where people speak your language.