Karma - Believe it or Not?

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

shit, no wonder you come across as such a aggro person. have you always felt this way?

I don't see how that makes me an aggressive person. I wasn't aware that I am an aggressive person. I speak firmly if that's what you mean.

No, I haven't always felt this way.

Growing up I felt this way. I felt like I had no choice in matters. I was being labeled psycho, brain damaged and evil. Though I knew (or thought) I wasn't any of those things. I knew that I had done things people told me, but I did not know why I had done them, I couldn't even remember them. For all I knew, people were just making up stories, though I believed them anyway, I was only a kid. In that situation, I couldn't control anything, I couldn't control myself during these episodes, I couldn't control the way people interpreted them and ultimately I couldn't control my fate in that environment.

Now, when all that passed by and I ended up in Victoria B.C. I thought, this is great, I can change the way people think about me, but ultimately I didn't, I was just me, the same me I've always been, but a bit wiser. And people accepted me, the atmosphere of being boxed in was gone. But ultimately the idea that I had control over my situation was an illusion. I stayed at home all the time, I didn't even look for a job, I barely left the apartment. I was intimidated by the world, the social atmosphere out there. My inexperience with a normal social life drastically impaired my ability to interact, to even initiate interaction. So the idea that I was free was limited to my experiences with social interaction. To this day I have difficulty interacting socially, I just don't give a fuck anymore and I'll say whatever I want.

So no, I didn't really always feel this way, it was only when I was a teenager and in the last year that I've strongly felt that things are beyond my control. When I was a child I didn't even think of such things I reacted with basic stimulus/response.

Earthgirl

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't see how that makes me an aggressive person. I wasn't aware that I am an aggressive person. I speak firmly if that's what you mean.

No, I haven't always felt this way.

Growing up I felt this way. I felt like I had no choice in matters. I was being labeled psycho, brain damaged and evil. Though I knew (or thought) I wasn't any of those things. I knew that I had done things people told me, but I did not know why I had done them, I couldn't even remember them. For all I knew, people were just making up stories, though I believed them anyway, I was only a kid. In that situation, I couldn't control anything, I couldn't control myself during these episodes, I couldn't control the way people interpreted them and ultimately I couldn't control my fate in that environment.

Now, when all that passed by and I ended up in Victoria B.C. I thought, this is great, I can change the way people think about me, but ultimately I didn't, I was just me, the same me I've always been, but a bit wiser. And people accepted me, the atmosphere of being boxed in was gone. But ultimately the idea that I had control over my situation was an illusion. I stayed at home all the time, I didn't even look for a job, I barely left the apartment. I was intimidated by the world, the social atmosphere out there. My inexperience with a normal social life drastically impaired my ability to interact, to even initiate interaction. So the idea that I was free was limited to my experiences with social interaction. To this day I have difficulty interacting socially, I just don't give a fuck anymore and I'll say whatever I want.

So no, I didn't really always feel this way, it was only when I was a teenager and in the last year that I've strongly felt that things are beyond my control. When I was a child I didn't even think of such things I reacted with basic stimulus/response.

peace and love mr.smarty pants.

danika_bookworm

last night, our plastic 1.5 litre-bottle of soda broke on the street because my stupid friend left it standing on the back of my bike when we stopped by a store.

and it's all because we stole 3 1.5-litre bottles of soda from our office party last week

Ahnimus

danika_bookworm wrote:

last night, our plastic 1.5 litre-bottle of soda broke on the street because my stupid friend left it standing on the back of my bike when we stopped by a store.

and it's all because we stole 3 1.5-litre bottles of soda from our office party last week

Is that stealing? I took beer from work. It didn't break though, I drank it.

A Surprise Left

If karma is real wouldn't you need some sort of higher power (or at least collective force) determining if people need to be rewarded or punished?

baraka

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't see how that makes me an aggressive person. I wasn't aware that I am an aggressive person. I speak firmly if that's what you mean.

No, I haven't always felt this way.

Growing up I felt this way. I felt like I had no choice in matters. I was being labeled psycho, brain damaged and evil. Though I knew (or thought) I wasn't any of those things. I knew that I had done things people told me, but I did not know why I had done them, I couldn't even remember them. For all I knew, people were just making up stories, though I believed them anyway, I was only a kid. In that situation, I couldn't control anything, I couldn't control myself during these episodes, I couldn't control the way people interpreted them and ultimately I couldn't control my fate in that environment.

Now, when all that passed by and I ended up in Victoria B.C. I thought, this is great, I can change the way people think about me, but ultimately I didn't, I was just me, the same me I've always been, but a bit wiser. And people accepted me, the atmosphere of being boxed in was gone. But ultimately the idea that I had control over my situation was an illusion. I stayed at home all the time, I didn't even look for a job, I barely left the apartment. I was intimidated by the world, the social atmosphere out there. My inexperience with a normal social life drastically impaired my ability to interact, to even initiate interaction. So the idea that I was free was limited to my experiences with social interaction. To this day I have difficulty interacting socially, I just don't give a fuck anymore and I'll say whatever I want.

So no, I didn't really always feel this way, it was only when I was a teenager and in the last year that I've strongly felt that things are beyond my control. When I was a child I didn't even think of such things I reacted with basic stimulus/response.

Ahh, I had to comment, Ahnimus. The content in this post is pretty much a running theme with you. You define yourself by how others define you and reject any personal responsibility by the 'determinism' cop out. There is only one person responsible for your situation, and that is YOU. If you continue to invest your time and energy into a belief such as strict determinisn, then you will, no doubt, manifest that reality for yourself.

How about an experiment? Instead of focusing on all the stuff you don't want, such as being rejected socially, focus on stuff you DO want. You need to eliminate your 'erroneous zones'. Revisiting them time and time again only makes them a reality.

Ahnimus

baraka wrote:

Ahh, I had to comment, Ahnimus. The content in this post is pretty much a running theme with you. You define yourself by how others define you and reject any personal responsibility by the 'determinism' cop out. There is only one person responsible for your situation, and that is YOU. If you continue to invest your time and energy into a belief such as strict determinisn, then you will, no doubt, manifest that reality for yourself.

How about an experiment? Instead of focusing on all the stuff you don't want, such as being rejected socially, focus on stuff you DO want. You need to eliminate your 'erroneous zones'. Revisiting them time and time again only makes them a reality.

Personal responsibility for what? I get up, shower, get dressed, come to work, work all day, go home and go to sleep. That is all I do, why would I need a scientific theory to excuse me from doing so?

I'm not rejected in a normal social atmosphere, I was speaking retrospectively. Though there are some lingering uncertainties. Why is it that people always skew the me I'm trying to represent?

gardenlover

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, pretty much, that and Destiny Theory.

See, Determinism and Predeterminism are two different things.

Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
Ferris

catefrances

gardenlover wrote:

Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
Ferris

i ask for a car, i get a computer. how's that for being born under a bad sign?

Ahnimus

gardenlover wrote:

Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
Ferris

That is sometimes called Meism.

gardenlover

Ahnimus wrote:

That is sometimes called Meism.

it's called a joke, thats all.

Ahnimus

gardenlover wrote:

it's called a joke, thats all.

Ok,

I found it funny, there was this old war-time cartoon where they claimed "isms" to be bad. But obviously, being made in America it's rather hipocritical. It was meant to say Communism, Fascism and so one were bad, from a perspective of Capitalism. Even Atheism, which is a belief in no religion is still called an Ism.

Anyway...

Ahnimus

Found it: Make Mine Freedom

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok,

I found it funny, there was this old war-time cartoon where they claimed "isms" to be bad. But obviously, being made in America it's rather hipocritical. It was meant to say Communism, Fascism and so one were bad, from a perspective of Capitalism. Even Atheism, which is a belief in no religion is still called an Ism.

Anyway...

you need to watch ferris bueller's day off.



are you saying i'm not who i say i am?
- 'abe frohman' the sausage king of chicago.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

you need to watch ferris bueller's day off.

are you saying i'm not who i say i am?
- 'abe frohman' the sausage king of chicago.

I have it and I've seen it dozens of times.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

I have it and I've seen it dozens of times.

ah then, you should sometimes just go along with the joke.


meism it may be, but i reckon that it surely would go hand in hand with solipsism.

spiral out

Ahnimus wrote:

I hope you are right, cause I've got about 20 years of happiness coming to me.

Hey, what about those children that get all blown up? What did they do to deserve that? Certainly Karma isn't going to repay them.

but karma is meant to span across your life times so those kids that get blown up could have done something three life times ago.

spiral out

Ahnimus wrote:

Determinism

Just believing in Determinism is a bit limiting don't you think? Infact it's taking the responsibilty for your own life and happiness out of your hands.

I like to think that it's a balance between free will and determinism.

But hey that may change with more education.

It's all about what ever will bewilder me. If i can get my head round it easy, it's not rewarding.

soulsinging

i believe in karma.

DOSW

I find it ironic that people say that belief in God is bullshit, but so many people are into the karma fad right now.

Hopefully they're not the same people.