Karma - Believe it or Not?

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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    That is sometimes called Meism.

    it's called a joke, thats all.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    it's called a joke, thats all.

    Ok,

    I found it funny, there was this old war-time cartoon where they claimed "isms" to be bad. But obviously, being made in America it's rather hipocritical. It was meant to say Communism, Fascism and so one were bad, from a perspective of Capitalism. Even Atheism, which is a belief in no religion is still called an Ism.

    Anyway...
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Found it: Make Mine Freedom
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok,

    I found it funny, there was this old war-time cartoon where they claimed "isms" to be bad. But obviously, being made in America it's rather hipocritical. It was meant to say Communism, Fascism and so one were bad, from a perspective of Capitalism. Even Atheism, which is a belief in no religion is still called an Ism.

    Anyway...

    you need to watch ferris bueller's day off. :)



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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    you need to watch ferris bueller's day off. :)

    are you saying i'm not who i say i am?
    - 'abe frohman' the sausage king of chicago.

    I have it and I've seen it dozens of times. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I have it and I've seen it dozens of times. :)

    ah then, you should sometimes just go along with the joke. :)


    meism it may be, but i reckon that it surely would go hand in hand with solipsism.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I hope you are right, cause I've got about 20 years of happiness coming to me.

    Hey, what about those children that get all blown up? What did they do to deserve that? Certainly Karma isn't going to repay them.


    but karma is meant to span across your life times so those kids that get blown up could have done something three life times ago.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Determinism

    Just believing in Determinism is a bit limiting don't you think? Infact it's taking the responsibilty for your own life and happiness out of your hands.

    I like to think that it's a balance between free will and determinism.

    But hey that may change with more education.

    It's all about what ever will bewilder me. If i can get my head round it easy, it's not rewarding.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i believe in karma.
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    I find it ironic that people say that belief in God is bullshit, but so many people are into the karma fad right now.

    Hopefully they're not the same people.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    DOSW wrote:
    I find it ironic that people say that belief in God is bullshit, but so many people are into the karma fad right now.

    Hopefully they're not the same people.

    i believe in both. rather, in some sense i believe they are the same thing. i think the trouble is some religious folks only are capable of conceiving as god as anything other than the supreme bearded fatherly dictator ruling the universe from a giant throne in the sky.
  • We know that the universe is governed by chance at fundamental levels and we also know that the evolution of species is also fundamnetally a random process (genetic drift) so I dont see how you can support a cse for destiny?

    Determinism is an old Newtonian idea..............get with the times!
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  • MakingWavesMakingWaves Posts: 1,293
    I didn't believe in Karma until one day while in college. I got paid twice for mileage one day while at work. The extra check was $154.00. My friend said to just turn it back in because it would be bad Karma. I laughed because after work we were heading to New Orleans for the weekend. On the way to New Orleans I had two tires blow out. Total cost for two new tires...$155.00. That extra dollar was just a fuck you from Karma.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. The results or "fruits" of actions are called karma-phala. Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward. Karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well. - wikipedia

    No, I do not subscribe to that line of thinking.

    I do believe that one does tend to reap what one sows, or, in another way, the tendency that what you put into it is what you get out of it.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    We know that the universe is governed by chance at fundamental levels and we also know that the evolution of species is also fundamnetally a random process (genetic drift) so I dont see how you can support a cse for destiny?

    Determinism is an old Newtonian idea..............get with the times!

    That's totally false.

    I just watched a documentary with evolutionary biologists saying the opposite.

    As an example, they explained how Humans and Dolphins came from completely separate genetic roots but developed very similar brains. That implies there is more method to evolution than we know.

    The universe works on deterministic principles, there is no randomness to it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    ah then, you should sometimes just go along with the joke. :)


    meism it may be, but i reckon that it surely would go hand in hand with solipsism.

    I'm sorry :(

    I don't commit movies to memory normally, so I can watch it dozens of times and it's like a new experience every time.

    I don't get the joke :(
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    spiral out wrote:
    but karma is meant to span across your life times so those kids that get blown up could have done something three life times ago.

    So, in order to believe in Karma, you must believe in reincarnation. Interesting.

    When you get to judgment city, be sure to check out the past lives pavilion.
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  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    baraka wrote:
    Ahh, I had to comment, Ahnimus. The content in this post is pretty much a running theme with you. You define yourself by how others define you and reject any personal responsibility by the 'determinism' cop out. There is only one person responsible for your situation, and that is YOU. If you continue to invest your time and energy into a belief such as strict determinisn, then you will, no doubt, manifest that reality for yourself.

    How about an experiment? Instead of focusing on all the stuff you don't want, such as being rejected socially, focus on stuff you DO want. You need to eliminate your 'erroneous zones'. Revisiting them time and time again only makes them a reality.

    Everyone creates their own reality. :)

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  • Everyone creates their own reality. :)

    Happy new year!!
    Be safe jammers!!
    right on!!!!!

    happy new year to you and your family............
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  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    I always use the word 'karma' to basically describe non-supernatural cause/effect relationships.

    Basically ... If I'm nice to somebody, they are bound to be nice to me, or give me a good word to their friends. The opposite also. If I'm a prick, the word will most likely spread around.

    I think the word is used more often in this way than people would think. With most people I know anyway.

    So, if ever I use the word 'karma', I mean behavior coming back to haunt or help you by mundane means. ;)
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, in order to believe in Karma, you must believe in reincarnation. Interesting.

    When you get to judgment city, be sure to check out the past lives pavilion.

    Not actually saying thats how i believe it to be, thats just how i understand it to be from the buddhism books i have read.

    But alot of buddist ideas aren't too easy too swallow on first reading.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm sorry :(

    I don't commit movies to memory normally, so I can watch it dozens of times and it's like a new experience every time.

    I don't get the joke :(


    no need for an apology. :)

    ferris bueller is an exceptional case. usually i retain bits and pieces of movies, however this one i know backwards. i've been watching it for nearly 20 years.
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  • not4unot4u Posts: 512
    ah Karma, the ultimate alter ego
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • there can be no belief in Karma, without a belief that after life and before life both exist. i mean the concept of karma and that of birth cycles are very intertwined.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    WMA wrote:
    I always use the word 'karma' to basically describe non-supernatural cause/effect relationships.

    Basically ... If I'm nice to somebody, they are bound to be nice to me, or give me a good word to their friends. The opposite also. If I'm a prick, the word will most likely spread around.

    I think the word is used more often in this way than people would think. With most people I know anyway.

    So, if ever I use the word 'karma', I mean behavior coming back to haunt or help you by mundane means. ;)

    Sure, that kind of Karma exists. I would be apt to call it behavioral consequences or something, just to avoid the word karma.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    spiral out wrote:
    Not actually saying thats how i believe it to be, thats just how i understand it to be from the buddhism books i have read.

    But alot of buddist ideas aren't too easy too swallow on first reading.

    Yea, I don't find any of those theologies very easy to swallow. I was taking a cab home tonight and the cabby had some audio cassette on, it was discussing Mary Magdaline Gamil. I thought, I've never heard that last name "Gamil" before. I was going to ask him what religion he is, but I know people are sensitive about that topic.

    Basically my belief is atheism, and ametaphysicalism. It's not so much that I believe in atheism or determinism, as much as that I don't believe in anything else. Take away everything metaphysical, like God, Karma and Free-will and I'm left with atheism and determinism. Extending slightly beyond that, I also believe in destiny theory, because it is very simple to understand and very obvious to me. It requires no faith on my part.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sure, that kind of Karma exists. I would be apt to call it behavioral consequences or something, just to avoid the word karma.

    but surely you wouldn't use the word karma anyway ahnimus, being one who believes in determinism.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    but surely you wouldn't use the word karma anyway ahnimus, being one who believes in determinism.

    Exactly, it's a consequence of behavior. If I am rude to someone, they will in turn be rude to me. On the other hand, they could be rude to me first, and I choose whether or not to evoke behavioral consequences, which I typically don't. It's not karma at all in my opinion, but I can see how a catchy word like "karma" would be used that way.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Exactly, it's a consequence of behavior. If I am rude to someone, they will in turn be rude to me. On the other hand, they could be rude to me first, and I choose whether or not to evoke behavioral consequences, which I typically don't. It's not karma at all in my opinion, but I can see how a catchy word like "karma" would be used that way.

    but isn't karma a soul thing? once the soul departs one body and enters another, it takes with it either the good or bad karma accumulated in the previous 'life'.

    i feel, if someone is rude to me, my decision to either ignore their behaviour or respond to it in kind has nothing to do with karma and everything to do with manners and temperament.
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