i'm not sure what you want clarified. the worst of sinners can repent and their sins will be forgiven.
as far as saying a little prayer; i asked that she be happy and attain everlasting life.
but back to my question. what were you doing at a funeral in the first place? you mention a family member in a box. if you are an athiest; the only thing in that box was 90% water and 10% dust. if you're an athiest; your grandmother is gone; nothing but memories.
this is something i wish an athiest could describe to me.
i'm not sure what you want clarified. the worst of sinners can repent and their sins will be forgiven.
as far as saying a little prayer; i asked that she be happy and attain everlasting life.
but back to my question. what were you doing at a funeral in the first place? you mention a family member in a box. if you are an athiest; the only thing in that box was 90% water and 10% dust. if you're an athiest; your grandmother is gone; nothing but memories.
this is something i wish an athiest could describe to me.
Yes, she is extinct. Obviously I wasn't there to wish her a happy birthday. I was there to see her face for the last time and celebrate her life with family.
Why is that such a difficult thing to understand?
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And I also forgot that as a godless creature I have NO right to farewell my friends or family, because EVERYBODY knows that death is the SOLE dominion of the religious.
Guess in order to appease the religious I won't be attending anymore funerals.
Oh that's right I'll be at mine.
I am SOOO having HELLS BELLS at my funeral!!! :mad:
Pointing out the similarity. Should a funeral be seen as a religious experience, at which a religious preacher must be present. Or is it open for interpretation. In which case my argument is entirely valid. But if death is a solely religious experience then by all means, there should be a priest at every funeral and I expect to live forever.
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Pointing out the similarity. Should a funeral be seen as a religious experience, at which a religious preacher must be present. Or is it open for interpretation. In which case my argument is entirely valid. But if death is a solely religious experience then by all means, there should be a priest at every funeral and I expect to live forever.
what has a funeral been since recorded history began?
it's the celebration of someone going to the afterlife. so yes; a funeral is a religious experience. if you do not believe in an afterlife; you do not have a funeral. you dispose of the body as you would an old candy wrapper.
so why would you attend a funeral if you're an athiest? i still can't get past that.
Yes, she is extinct. Obviously I wasn't there to wish her a happy birthday. I was there to see her face for the last time and celebrate her life with family.
Pointing out the similarity. Should a funeral be seen as a religious experience, at which a religious preacher must be present. Or is it open for interpretation. In which case my argument is entirely valid. But if death is a solely religious experience then by all means, there should be a priest at every funeral and I expect to live forever.
a funeral should be seen as whatever the deceased wanted it to be. if they wanted it to be a typical funeral within their faith, then i dont see why it is your place to disrespect those wishes.
al of your examples... the people in them have scant chance of being convinced of the folly of their ways. nonetheless, those are fights worth fighting becos of a significant societal impact that is dangerous and very real consequences. the example of you disagreeing with your priest's handling of a funeral does not. it simply means a small handful of people are annoyed by the ritual of a certain religion dealing with an event that is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. your problem is not their ritual for the deceased, it's that you disagree with how they express it which is totally arbitrary and your way is no more meaningful or sensible than theirs.
i'm not sure what you want clarified. the worst of sinners can repent and their sins will be forgiven.
as far as saying a little prayer; i asked that she be happy and attain everlasting life.
but back to my question. what were you doing at a funeral in the first place? you mention a family member in a box. if you are an athiest; the only thing in that box was 90% water and 10% dust. if you're an athiest; your grandmother is gone; nothing but memories.
this is something i wish an athiest could describe to me.
okay here's the problem with suicide. it is the unforgiveable sin. it is so because the person is no longer around to repent for their sin. only God can absolve them from sin.
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as an atheist onelongsong i can answer the funeral question. yes the person in the box is a family memebr. yes, what i have is memories. that was the departed family member's wish. to have a funeral and be farewelled in such a manner. being an atheist doesn't negate your justified presence at a funeral. that's just ridiculous. personally i will never attend a funeral held in any place of worship.
the person in the box is still a loved one. it is weird for me to think of someone i love in a coffin. i feel a light has gone out. it's difficult to relate the body in a coffin to the person you knew. it's such a feeling of finality. you make your peace with the dead and you move on. how is it any different for an atheist.
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what has a funeral been since recorded history began?
it's the celebration of someone going to the afterlife. so yes; a funeral is a religious experience. if you do not believe in an afterlife; you do not have a funeral. you dispose of the body as you would an old candy wrapper.
so why would you attend a funeral if you're an athiest? i still can't get past that.
Probably because you have no idea what atheism is.
if you do not believe in an afterlife; you do not have a funeral. you dispose of the body as you would an old candy wrapper.
One of the most ignorant statements regarding atheism I've ever heard.
Honestly, if you think people who do not believe in a deity are void of morallity, than get out and meet some atheists.
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the hypocrisy of him wanting to say goodbye to his grandmother? that's crap onelongsong. just as believers differ in their modus operandi when it comes to their faith, so do atheists. as i said in a previuus thread i will never attend a funeral in a house of worship. and that extends to weddings, christenings or anything else that is religious. but that is MY choice. no one else's.
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A person dies, and a Christians, cries, mourns their death, but expects to eventually see them in heaven.
A person dies and I may cry or mourn their death, but I don't expect they continue to exist in any form.
So, as onelongsong said; Why is it a common belief that atheists consider the dead equal to a piece of trash?
Wouldn't it be the Christian that believes the body is the candy wrapper and the candy still exists?
An atheist would believe the body is the person without life. Life simply being the ability to function at all.
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the hypocrisy of him wanting to say goodbye to his grandmother? that's crap onelongsong. just as believers differ in their modus operandi when it comes to their faith, so do atheists. as i said in a previuus thread i will never attend a funeral in a house of worship. and that extends to weddings, christenings or anything else that is religious. but that is MY choice. no one else's.
then you have no hiprocracy. you are true to your beliefs.
but in this case he said his grandmother no longer exists. so if he went to say good bye to his grandmother; then he admits that she exists in another form. this admits to life after death.
christians cry and mourn; then celebrate with a big party; as do many religions.
he also posted a poem i see at a lot of catholic funerals. it's meaning to catholics is not to cry for me; i am a part of God now. so that's where i saw the hipocracy in the post.
then you have no hiprocracy. you are true to your beliefs.
but in this case he said his grandmother no longer exists. so if he went to say good bye to his grandmother; then he admits that she exists in another form. this admits to life after death.
christians cry and mourn; then celebrate with a big party; as do many religions.
he also posted a poem i see at a lot of catholic funerals. it's meaning to catholics is not to cry for me; i am a part of God now. so that's where i saw the hipocracy in the post.
The poem wasn't used with that intent. Clearly by the context it was meant to reflect my grandmother's wishes.
As an atheist I can "say goodbye" to the flesh that still is my grandmother before it decays.
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I'm an atheist and when a loved one dies I attend his funeral. I don't think I will ever see him again. He's gone forever.
Why do I go to the funeral? Because he's a loved one. Because I'm not a heartless bastard, as you seem to think atheists are. This is a person I loved and I want say goodbye (yes, saying goodbye to nothing). It helps me get over it. Closing a chapter of my life. Taking time to realise this person is actually gone and I will never ever see him or her again. We're not robots. A deceased loved one isn't like an old candy wrapper because during my life I have never loved a candy wrapper, never talked to a candy wrapper, never laughed with a candy wrapper...
I have to say I find this whole thread very odd. The way a funeral is conducted isnt mandatory. It is up to the family (in most cases) of the deceased to determine how they want the funeral to be conducted, and I would think that most times it is conducted in a manner that the family thinks the deceased would approve. Meaning, if it is a religious person, than most likely the funeral will be a religious type ceremony. Even if you arent religious (which I am not), the act of the funeral can still be about you showing respect to the dead, despite the fact you dont believe with the religious aspects. I am certainly not going to tell the poster how to react to a family members funeral, but I have to say, that it was those that made these arrangements that had the funeral conducted in that manner.
he also posted a poem i see at a lot of catholic funerals. it's meaning to catholics is not to cry for me; i am a part of God now. so that's where i saw the hipocracy in the post.
I pm'ed the very same poem to Ahnimus earlier in the week when I knew of his grandmother's death. I am not a catholic. Have never been a catholic and the poem was given to me at the death of my grandfather, who was not catholic, by someone who is also not a catholic. It may have meaning for catholics, it may have been written by a catholic for all I know. But it is not surely the exlusive property of the catholic church?
The poem transcends religion in my opinion. And I don't see Ahnimus posting it as hypocrisy. He is allowed to grieve and mourn in his own way. He is allowed to find what comfort he can in ritual. He is allowed to be a human being, saying good bye to the relationship that he had with another human being. Just as we all are.
I pm'ed the very same poem to Ahnimus earlier in the week when I knew of his grandmother's death. I am not a catholic. Have never been a catholic and the poem was given to me at the death of my grandfather, who was not catholic, by someone who is also not a catholic. It may have meaning for catholics, it may have been written by a catholic for all I know. But it is not surely the exlusive property of the catholic church?
The poem transcends religion in my opinion. And I don't see Ahnimus posting it as hypocrisy. He is allowed to grieve and mourn in his own way. He is allowed to find what comfort he can in ritual. He is allowed to be a human being, saying good bye to the relationship that he had with another human being. Just as we all are.
right on jeanie. grieving and mourning and the way we choose to say farewell is a personal thing unique to each indivdual.
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hmm.......reading all this im trying to work out what religion i am.
technically im 'church of england', but i dont go to church or believe in most of what the bible preaches........so i may be considered an atheist by some, yet when i do go to church for the odd funeral or wedding or communion i participate in all the religious traditions, no matter what religion it is......
i have always quite liked the idea of reincarnation though.........
anyway, funerals dont HAVE to be had in a church........most of the funerals ive been to have been in funeral homes, where the preachers can be left right out of the equation if thats your wishes.
i think if the funeral is to be held IN A CHURCH a bit of preaching would be expected.
funeral homes are better, theyre more laidback...........
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hmm.......reading all this im trying to work out what religion i am.
technically im 'church of england', but i dont go to church or believe in most of what the bible preaches........so i may be considered an atheist by some, yet when i do go to church for the odd funeral or wedding or communion i participate in all the religious traditions, no matter what religion it is......
i have always quite liked the idea of reincarnation though.........
anyway, funerals dont HAVE to be had in a church........most of the funerals ive been to have been in funeral homes, where the preachers can be left right out of the equation if thats your wishes.
i think if the funeral is to be held IN A CHURCH a bit of preaching would be expected.
funeral homes are better, theyre more laidback...........
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
5 minus 9 plus 4 that's none, that's zero, it's the absence of life, it's a blank scroll.
it's nothing, my existence is exactly the sum, of 5 minus 9 plus 4, that's none, that's zero, it's the absence of life, it's a blank scroll, it regurjitates worth, it takes the first lost soul, it searches on the verge of destruction, it just grows, fuck being a star, I want to be a black-hole.
a compilation record's like your life, you got some good times and some other shit you might not like, well that's the beauty of the beast, you gotta be blind, but we believe you just appreciate the peace, you see you gotta pass before the beast, you gotta last longer than your girl when you work between the knees,it seems to me you gotta squeeze and squeeze until everything gets released out your brain, then you see finally, your mind will be silently smiling, your filing out the bullshit and compiling your style, a reason to rock your manifesto, now I'm obsessed, there I said, I confess yo, and man I know I'm too old for these kids, they all be yu-gi-oh and I be pokemon and shit, but until my mic is broken I'll be hopin' for a hit, I'm choken on the words, yo fuck it then I quit.
Credit to Optimus Rhyme for those lyrics, may be slightly wrong, as I had to figure them out myself. Still pretty cool stuff, it's kind of how I feel about this whole issue and some others. http://www.optimusrhyme.com/musicplayer/compiler.mp3
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I'm an atheist and when a loved one dies I attend his funeral. I don't think I will ever see him again. He's gone forever.
Why do I go to the funeral? Because he's a loved one. Because I'm not a heartless bastard, as you seem to think atheists are. This is a person I loved and I want say goodbye (yes, saying goodbye to nothing). It helps me get over it. Closing a chapter of my life. Taking time to realise this person is actually gone and I will never ever see him or her again. We're not robots. A deceased loved one isn't like an old candy wrapper because during my life I have never loved a candy wrapper, never talked to a candy wrapper, never laughed with a candy wrapper...
i only brought it up because we had a family member that was athiest and asked not to be included in the religious portion of the ceremony. they waited outside and we respected their wishes. when i was a young teen i asked about it and they explained that if they entered the church; they would be a hipocrate. this was the first time hipocracy was explained to me.
so this is why i'm questioning it. so to enter the church; chapel; courtyard; or anywhere a religious service is being held is one thing; but to complain about what you heard inside is unbelievable. to say i didn't like it because i'm an athiest is unbelievable because there's no place in church for an athiest.
i don't care if he puts on a dress and does a dance at funerals. it's his choice. but to complain that a religious service is religious?
i only brought it up because we had a family member that was athiest and asked not to be included in the religious portion of the ceremony. they waited outside and we respected their wishes. when i was a young teen i asked about it and they explained that if they entered the church; they would be a hipocrate. this was the first time hipocracy was explained to me.
so this is why i'm questioning it. so to enter the church; chapel; courtyard; or anywhere a religious service is being held is one thing; but to complain about what you heard inside is unbelievable. to say i didn't like it because i'm an athiest is unbelievable because there's no place in church for an athiest.
i don't care if he puts on a dress and does a dance at funerals. it's his choice. but to complain that a religious service is religious?
It wasn't a church.
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funerals dont HAVE to be religious, it all depends on the person whose funeral it actually is.
and if you do go to a funeral and it is ultra religious, its probably polite not to sit and whinge and complain about it (especially if its someone in your own family!!!) but rather just show your respects by being there. its not about you, its about the deceased.
i mean sorry to hear about your loss and all, but personally im not religious or anything, but i can sit still in a church for an hour or so and not complain.
I agree totally and I think we all have to respect the beliefs of others... you obviously did ahnimus to a certain extent or you wouldn't have been there. I come from a small community in quite a 'political' town, however the Catholics and Protestants all get along. I recall a couple of protestants dying when I was young and Catholics would attend the protestant funeral too. We may not have had a clue what to say or when but we tried and followed everyone else. Why? Because it's a place of worship, whether it's mine or not and whether or not I believe... and because they were funerals and I only went to pay my respect to those people. Unless they had made alternative arrangements for their death, this was the way they wanted it to be, so we just need to respect that.
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then you have no hiprocracy. you are true to your beliefs.
but in this case he said his grandmother no longer exists. so if he went to say good bye to his grandmother; then he admits that she exists in another form. this admits to life after death.
christians cry and mourn; then celebrate with a big party; as do many religions.
he also posted a poem i see at a lot of catholic funerals. it's meaning to catholics is not to cry for me; i am a part of God now. so that's where i saw the hipocracy in the post.
Ok I know ahnimus is from a different place to me but where I come from, until recently (with the exception of a small minority of protestants) we're all brought up catholic. A funeral is the normal thing to be done when someone dies and I believe it's as much tradition as it is anything to do with religion... in my culture that is. Somebody who has not gone to mass their entire life STILL has a funeral. For the priest to preach about conversion during a funeral is just him being a BAD priest. Most priests will serve the mass as a celebration of that persons life and not see it as a recruitment opportunity.
While I was brought up Catholic, I'm quite a spiritual person but NOT religious... however, it's very difficult to shake off what has always been a part of Irish life. I still want a funeral when I die because that's all I know. If an athiest dies, do his athiest friends just leave the body to rot? I'm sure they still have some kind of 'service' whether it's just saying a few words or whatever. A funeral is the same thing, it just happens to be held in a religious place and said by a religious leader. I don't think he was being hypocritical by going into the church, he was being respectful, but probably coming from a more 'religious' community than him, I would find it disrespectful to not go along with it. When the priest says 'let us pray', you don't really have to pray, you can bow your head and contemplate. Nobody's forcing you to be there but if you go just be respectful.
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Why can't funerals be priestless? Why they got to talk religion at a funeral?
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is this supposed to prove some sort of point?
i'm not sure what you want clarified. the worst of sinners can repent and their sins will be forgiven.
as far as saying a little prayer; i asked that she be happy and attain everlasting life.
but back to my question. what were you doing at a funeral in the first place? you mention a family member in a box. if you are an athiest; the only thing in that box was 90% water and 10% dust. if you're an athiest; your grandmother is gone; nothing but memories.
this is something i wish an athiest could describe to me.
Yes, she is extinct. Obviously I wasn't there to wish her a happy birthday. I was there to see her face for the last time and celebrate her life with family.
Why is that such a difficult thing to understand?
Don't get caught up on the religious threads.
And I also forgot that as a godless creature I have NO right to farewell my friends or family, because EVERYBODY knows that death is the SOLE dominion of the religious.
Guess in order to appease the religious I won't be attending anymore funerals.
Oh that's right I'll be at mine.
I am SOOO having HELLS BELLS at my funeral!!! :mad:
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Pointing out the similarity. Should a funeral be seen as a religious experience, at which a religious preacher must be present. Or is it open for interpretation. In which case my argument is entirely valid. But if death is a solely religious experience then by all means, there should be a priest at every funeral and I expect to live forever.
what has a funeral been since recorded history began?
it's the celebration of someone going to the afterlife. so yes; a funeral is a religious experience. if you do not believe in an afterlife; you do not have a funeral. you dispose of the body as you would an old candy wrapper.
so why would you attend a funeral if you're an athiest? i still can't get past that.
i guess it's the hipocracy i can't get past.
a funeral should be seen as whatever the deceased wanted it to be. if they wanted it to be a typical funeral within their faith, then i dont see why it is your place to disrespect those wishes.
al of your examples... the people in them have scant chance of being convinced of the folly of their ways. nonetheless, those are fights worth fighting becos of a significant societal impact that is dangerous and very real consequences. the example of you disagreeing with your priest's handling of a funeral does not. it simply means a small handful of people are annoyed by the ritual of a certain religion dealing with an event that is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. your problem is not their ritual for the deceased, it's that you disagree with how they express it which is totally arbitrary and your way is no more meaningful or sensible than theirs.
okay here's the problem with suicide. it is the unforgiveable sin. it is so because the person is no longer around to repent for their sin. only God can absolve them from sin.
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the person in the box is still a loved one. it is weird for me to think of someone i love in a coffin. i feel a light has gone out. it's difficult to relate the body in a coffin to the person you knew. it's such a feeling of finality. you make your peace with the dead and you move on. how is it any different for an atheist.
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Probably because you have no idea what atheism is.
One of the most ignorant statements regarding atheism I've ever heard.
Honestly, if you think people who do not believe in a deity are void of morallity, than get out and meet some atheists.
the hypocrisy of him wanting to say goodbye to his grandmother? that's crap onelongsong. just as believers differ in their modus operandi when it comes to their faith, so do atheists. as i said in a previuus thread i will never attend a funeral in a house of worship. and that extends to weddings, christenings or anything else that is religious. but that is MY choice. no one else's.
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Good point..
I'm an Atheist/Agnosticist...but I do have morals
A person dies, and a Christians, cries, mourns their death, but expects to eventually see them in heaven.
A person dies and I may cry or mourn their death, but I don't expect they continue to exist in any form.
So, as onelongsong said; Why is it a common belief that atheists consider the dead equal to a piece of trash?
Wouldn't it be the Christian that believes the body is the candy wrapper and the candy still exists?
An atheist would believe the body is the person without life. Life simply being the ability to function at all.
then you have no hiprocracy. you are true to your beliefs.
but in this case he said his grandmother no longer exists. so if he went to say good bye to his grandmother; then he admits that she exists in another form. this admits to life after death.
christians cry and mourn; then celebrate with a big party; as do many religions.
he also posted a poem i see at a lot of catholic funerals. it's meaning to catholics is not to cry for me; i am a part of God now. so that's where i saw the hipocracy in the post.
The poem wasn't used with that intent. Clearly by the context it was meant to reflect my grandmother's wishes.
As an atheist I can "say goodbye" to the flesh that still is my grandmother before it decays.
Why do I go to the funeral? Because he's a loved one. Because I'm not a heartless bastard, as you seem to think atheists are. This is a person I loved and I want say goodbye (yes, saying goodbye to nothing). It helps me get over it. Closing a chapter of my life. Taking time to realise this person is actually gone and I will never ever see him or her again. We're not robots. A deceased loved one isn't like an old candy wrapper because during my life I have never loved a candy wrapper, never talked to a candy wrapper, never laughed with a candy wrapper...
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I pm'ed the very same poem to Ahnimus earlier in the week when I knew of his grandmother's death. I am not a catholic. Have never been a catholic and the poem was given to me at the death of my grandfather, who was not catholic, by someone who is also not a catholic. It may have meaning for catholics, it may have been written by a catholic for all I know. But it is not surely the exlusive property of the catholic church?
The poem transcends religion in my opinion. And I don't see Ahnimus posting it as hypocrisy. He is allowed to grieve and mourn in his own way. He is allowed to find what comfort he can in ritual. He is allowed to be a human being, saying good bye to the relationship that he had with another human being. Just as we all are.
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right on jeanie. grieving and mourning and the way we choose to say farewell is a personal thing unique to each indivdual.
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technically im 'church of england', but i dont go to church or believe in most of what the bible preaches........so i may be considered an atheist by some, yet when i do go to church for the odd funeral or wedding or communion i participate in all the religious traditions, no matter what religion it is......
i have always quite liked the idea of reincarnation though.........
anyway, funerals dont HAVE to be had in a church........most of the funerals ive been to have been in funeral homes, where the preachers can be left right out of the equation if thats your wishes.
i think if the funeral is to be held IN A CHURCH a bit of preaching would be expected.
funeral homes are better, theyre more laidback...........
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keep on rockin!.......
it's nothing, my existence is exactly the sum, of 5 minus 9 plus 4, that's none, that's zero, it's the absence of life, it's a blank scroll, it regurjitates worth, it takes the first lost soul, it searches on the verge of destruction, it just grows, fuck being a star, I want to be a black-hole.
a compilation record's like your life, you got some good times and some other shit you might not like, well that's the beauty of the beast, you gotta be blind, but we believe you just appreciate the peace, you see you gotta pass before the beast, you gotta last longer than your girl when you work between the knees,it seems to me you gotta squeeze and squeeze until everything gets released out your brain, then you see finally, your mind will be silently smiling, your filing out the bullshit and compiling your style, a reason to rock your manifesto, now I'm obsessed, there I said, I confess yo, and man I know I'm too old for these kids, they all be yu-gi-oh and I be pokemon and shit, but until my mic is broken I'll be hopin' for a hit, I'm choken on the words, yo fuck it then I quit.
Credit to Optimus Rhyme for those lyrics, may be slightly wrong, as I had to figure them out myself. Still pretty cool stuff, it's kind of how I feel about this whole issue and some others.
http://www.optimusrhyme.com/musicplayer/compiler.mp3
i only brought it up because we had a family member that was athiest and asked not to be included in the religious portion of the ceremony. they waited outside and we respected their wishes. when i was a young teen i asked about it and they explained that if they entered the church; they would be a hipocrate. this was the first time hipocracy was explained to me.
so this is why i'm questioning it. so to enter the church; chapel; courtyard; or anywhere a religious service is being held is one thing; but to complain about what you heard inside is unbelievable. to say i didn't like it because i'm an athiest is unbelievable because there's no place in church for an athiest.
i don't care if he puts on a dress and does a dance at funerals. it's his choice. but to complain that a religious service is religious?
It wasn't a church.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
While I was brought up Catholic, I'm quite a spiritual person but NOT religious... however, it's very difficult to shake off what has always been a part of Irish life. I still want a funeral when I die because that's all I know. If an athiest dies, do his athiest friends just leave the body to rot? I'm sure they still have some kind of 'service' whether it's just saying a few words or whatever. A funeral is the same thing, it just happens to be held in a religious place and said by a religious leader. I don't think he was being hypocritical by going into the church, he was being respectful, but probably coming from a more 'religious' community than him, I would find it disrespectful to not go along with it. When the priest says 'let us pray', you don't really have to pray, you can bow your head and contemplate. Nobody's forcing you to be there but if you go just be respectful.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Because they were the first ones to make a big deal out of the life and death process and use heaven and hell as a means to control
It's all become diluted into sheer social habit and mindless regurgitation over the centuries.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Silence