Explosions that happened before the WTC towers fell

69charger

Ahnimus wrote:

Regardless if air could get in there or not. There was nothing to burn, so no fuel for any fire. 69charger is just making major assumptions like NIST does. He could probably work for them.

No fuel? Millions of square feet of offices and nothing to burn? Seriously?

Ahnimus

69charger wrote:

No fuel? Millions of square feet of offices and nothing to burn? Seriously?

Yea seriously. How hot does paper burn? Wood doesn't burn that hot. Seriously these temperatures were reported months after the incident. This wasn't an ordinary office fire.

69charger

Ahnimus wrote:

This wasn't an ordinary office fire.

One of the few things a agree with you on.

BTW, do they tap you internet connection too?

upina2001

Some of you are really fucking sick. I am embarrassed for you. I think the govt is involved in all sorts of shit we dont know about, but to suggest we had anything to do with "setting off explosives" is absolutely absurd, regardless of what a crazy fucking nut job says.

I hope you all think about those people that FUCKING JUMPED FROM THOSE BUILDINGS TO SAVE THEMSELVES, you sick fucks.

Ahnimus

69charger wrote:

One of the few things a agree with you on.

BTW, do they tap you internet connection too?

I'm pretty sure they do. Don't think I'm paranoid schizophrenic, I have met a few and they live in fear constantly. I'm not afraid. Everyone I meet isn't a special agent either.

sonicreducer

69charger wrote:

Whatever floats your boat! Like I said, don't let any info that I post get in the way of your beliefs

well, all they said was that they were skeptical of his theory. they didn't debunk it.

hey man, i hope that my skepticism is wrong. i wish that the president would just speak out about the truth. but until they answer, i will continue to question.

sonicreducer

question for 69charger,...

do you think that there is anything fishy about the events on 9/11? or is it just how the towers fell?

because there are other things as well,... im interested to know,...

kenny olav

upina2001 wrote:

Some of you are really fucking sick. I am embarrassed for you. I think the govt is involved in all sorts of shit we dont know about, but to suggest we had anything to do with "setting off explosives" is absolutely absurd, regardless of what a crazy fucking nut job says.

I hope you all think about those people that FUCKING JUMPED FROM THOSE BUILDINGS TO SAVE THEMSELVES, you sick fucks.

this is not a constructive articulation of your position.

MrBrian

upina2001 wrote:

Some of you are really fucking sick. I am embarrassed for you. I think the govt is involved in all sorts of shit we dont know about, but to suggest we had anything to do with "setting off explosives" is absolutely absurd, regardless of what a crazy fucking nut job says.

I hope you all think about those people that FUCKING JUMPED FROM THOSE BUILDINGS TO SAVE THEMSELVES, you sick fucks.

The greatest thing we can do for the people who died on that day is to find out the truth.

69charger

sonicreducer wrote:

well, all they said was that they were skeptical of his theory. they didn't debunk it.

If that's the case then how do you explain a statement like this...

rightondude wrote:

All I know is that tower #7 was brought down by explosives. There's no question about it. You just can't deny it. So when did they have time to rig the building? No time at all. They had to have rigged it before 9/11.

There's no other explanation. The building WAS demolished.

Sounds pretty definitive to me.

69charger

sonicreducer wrote:

question for 69charger,...

do you think that there is anything fishy about the events on 9/11? or is it just how the towers fell?

because there are other things as well,... im interested to know,...

I'm not denying that the government may have "looked the other way" but even that, to me, is an outside chance. I am just saying that it was planes that brought the towers down and a plane did crash into the Pentagon as the official story states.

Ahnimus

upina2001 wrote:

Some of you are really fucking sick. I am embarrassed for you. I think the govt is involved in all sorts of shit we dont know about, but to suggest we had anything to do with "setting off explosives" is absolutely absurd, regardless of what a crazy fucking nut job says.

I hope you all think about those people that FUCKING JUMPED FROM THOSE BUILDINGS TO SAVE THEMSELVES, you sick fucks.

The only reason you may ever have to respect another person's opinion is if it differs from your own.

It's possible the victims of that tragedy would not like us investigating it. It's also possible they would want us to. Either way I'm sure they would want us to learn from it. Who are any of us to say what they would want. I suppose you would tell Cindy Sheehan what her son would think too. Watching the videos of people jumping from the buildings on repeat would be a sick thing to do. But I don't think any of us are doing that. The thought rarely enters my mind unless someone reminds me that happened.

Ahnimus

69charger wrote:

I'm not denying that the government may have "looked the other way" but even that, to me, is an outside chance. I am just saying that it was planes that brought the towers down and a plane did crash into the Pentagon as the official story states.

Please, don't say it like it never happened. Pearl Harbor was the same kind of thing. They intercept everything and know well before what is happening. The US cracked the Nazi enigma machine and broke all their transmissions. The japanese were using the same technology. This operation was done with a far less advanced group than the Nazis or Japan. You have to give 'em credit for one thing though, some of the hijackers are still alive. Maybe we should all convert to Islam, those guys survived the plane impact, the burning building and the collapse. Nobody even saw them leave.

You see, whoever planned this event didn't think very much about it. I could see this being written by Bush it's that bad. It reads like a bad novel. 19 guys jack 4 planes simultaneously, with box cutters, so that's 5 hijackers per plane. You have 100+ passengers.

OMG! He's got a box cutter!

A box cutter isn't a very good weapon. I mean, you have to admit, are you really gonna let 5 guys with shitty weapons over power 100 people and lead them to their death?

Anyway, then these guys that piloted like shit pull some crazy manuevers and hit all their targets dead on. Except flight 93, whatever their target was they missed it, I guess Allah didn't intervene that time to give 'em awesome piloting abilities.

The plane hitting the pentagon takes out 5 lightpoles, but miraculously misses the lawn, direct hit on the wall. The plane punctures 3 rings and then disintigrates.

The two other planes smash into the WTC towers at roughly 560mph. They hit almost perfectly in the same spot. In both cases a whole lot of fuel leaks down almost 80 floors and a bunch of fires breakout that are starved for oxygen (black smoke). A firemen reports fires as hot as 600 degrees on the 78th floor of one building. All of a sudden, both buildings disolve into a pile of dust with a massive molten core.

WTC7 hours later implodes without any visible signs of fire. You don't see a whole lot of smoke around that building.

So, how does this crappy story end?

Well you need some bad guys. So during your investigation you find a bag with all the evidence you need in it. I guess by this time no one cares about the investigation. You could just find a bag at some point that has all the info you need. It could be left in one of the airports by a hijacker. Because you know, all hijackers carry plans for their whole operation with them and evidence to incriminate their allies.

Anyway, this is about some really stupid hijackers that got real lucky. All of them got passed security. They hijacked jets full of whimps, instantly became ace pilots and caused the maximum destruction possible. All the clues just fell into the good guys laps. Pretty crappy story if you ask me.

rightondude

I've been listening to David Icke on TV yesterday and today like 3 hour specials on the guy. Whoa...

rightondude

69charger wrote:

If that's the case then how do you explain a statement like this...



Sounds pretty definitive to me.

What building #7 just got tired of standing up and decided to fall down? C'mon man it was demolished. It's a freaking joke to think otherwise.

You know nothing of what your government is capable of. I think you're in some serious form of denial.

rightondude

upina2001 wrote:

Some of you are really fucking sick. I am embarrassed for you. I think the govt is involved in all sorts of shit we dont know about, but to suggest we had anything to do with "setting off explosives" is absolutely absurd, regardless of what a crazy fucking nut job says.

I hope you all think about those people that FUCKING JUMPED FROM THOSE BUILDINGS TO SAVE THEMSELVES, you sick fucks.

hey nutter......we aren't the sick fucks here. Those would be the guys you pay your taxes to :rolleyes:

Ahnimus

rightondude wrote:

I've been listening to David Icke on TV yesterday and today like 3 hour specials on the guy. Whoa...

Yea, that's about all you can say. He doesn't provide much evidence to support his claims. There is evidence to support a lot of it though. It's just a little to quirky for me. I found sumerian texts on http://www.ancienttexts.org. and traced the some of the history of the secret societies online. I didn't go the extent Icke did, but I don't believe it either. I don't know why I don't. I guess I don't fully believe anything, I just like to learn. I'll believe martians rule the world when I see them, let's put it that way.

rightondude

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, that's about all you can say. He doesn't provide much evidence to support his claims. There is evidence to support a lot of it though. It's just a little to quirky for me. I found sumerian texts on http://www.ancienttexts.org. and traced the some of the history of the secret societies online. I didn't go the extent Icke did, but I don't believe it either. I don't know why I don't. I guess I don't fully believe anything, I just like to learn. I'll believe martians rule the world when I see them, let's put it that way.

Yeah, a lot of what he says is really spot on. Some goes off a little too far for me, but a lot of what he believes is extremely interesting when he does provide the evidence, money trails etc.

He's on TV right now (ntv). He did a really interesting take on the Kennedy assisination, and how he was pulling America out of Vietnam and challenging the tax system as unfair. Kennedy was doing a lot of good things as far as I can see. As soon as he was assination, the Vietnam thing went back into high gear, and all the other progressive work he had done was instantly reversed back to the gov't mindset we see today (oddly enough).

I dare say I don' have to buy his book now. I watched at least 5 hours of him now on every topic from a-z.

Interesting.

Ahnimus

rightondude wrote:

Yeah, a lot of what he says is really spot on. Some goes off a little too far for me, but a lot of what he believes is extremely interesting when he does provide the evidence, money trails etc.

He's on TV right now (ntv). He did a really interesting take on the Kennedy assisination, and how he was pulling America out of Vietnam and challenging the tax system as unfair. Kennedy was doing a lot of good things as far as I can see. As soon as he was assination, the Vietnam thing went back into high gear, and all the other progressive work he had done was instantly reversed back to the gov't mindset we see today (oddly enough).

I dare say I don' have to buy his book now. I watched at least 5 hours of him now on every topic from a-z.

Interesting.

Oh well I haven't seen those presentations. I pretty much know everything there is to know about the JFK and RFK assasinations. It gets pretty screwed up. If you believe in MK-ULTRA or think Sirhan Sirhan might have been a manchurian then you would think RFK was an inside job. JFK no question and LBJ was involved. Johnson gave everyone what they all wanted, a dummy. A fucking Bush, just some guy that did what they wanted and then they figured out how to rig elections.

69charger

You two are so far gone it makes me actually miss the days of me vs. El_Kabong!