why can't US capture/kill OBL

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inmytree wrote:
    I mean, the reason we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is 9/11...and we have an idea where the 'mastermind' behind it is, and we do nothing about it...

    again, why...?

    Please explain to everyone on this messageboard what Iraq had to do with 9/11.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please explain to everyone on this messageboard what Iraq had to do with 9/11.


    no one needs an explaination. these was no link.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    we are not in Iraq because of 9/11. we are there because someone thought they had WMDs. sure a possible link was mentioned but that is not the main reason why we went there. it was WMDs and violation of UN resolutions.

    We are not in Iraq because of wmd's and violation of UN resolutions. We are in Iraq to steal it's oil and dominate the region. Otherwise we could just as easily have invaded Israel using the same pretexts.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    we are not in Iraq because of 9/11. we are there because someone thought they had WMDs. sure a possible link was mentioned but that is not the main reason why we went there. it was WMDs and violation of UN resolutions.

    regardless, the US sees what a mistake it was to march into a country and take over. you think we can just march right into a country that is 10 times the size of Iraq just to get one guy?


    nothing? you really believe that? just because we havent invaded pakistan you think we are doing nothing?

    why is a full out invasion (any US soldier stepping foot in pakistan would be considered so) the only option for you?

    oh, chirst...

    sorry I did not spoon feed you...a reason we are in Iraq is 9/11...which of course, I know, had nothing to do with 9/11...however, if 9/11 had never occurred, we would have never gone it Iraq...however, that's another story...

    anyway, keep sticking up for your boy, bin laden...

    I find it funny that we have a "war on terror", yet we won't go after the man who started it all...

    anyway, I see darth cheney dropped in for a visit this weekend...so maybe something is getting done.....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Please explain to everyone on this messageboard what Iraq had to do with 9/11.

    sigh....

    nothing...as I've stated in another response, I contend the only way the US could even make a case to invade Iraq was 9/11....

    people were and are scared of "terror", thus without the fear machine pushing the WMD case, bush and the war machine would have never obtained the supported needed to invade without the 9/11 attacks...

    for the record, I was and am one of those on the right side of this one, meaning I never supported the invasion of Iraq...
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he is the leader and creator of el queda.

    is that the spanish terrorist organisation.... they bomb things using cheese :p
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inmytree wrote:
    sigh....

    nothing...as I've stated in another response, I contend the only way the US could even make a case to invade Iraq was 9/11....

    people were and are scared of "terror", thus without the fear machine pushing the WMD case, bush and the war machine would have never obtained the supported needed to invade without the 9/11 attacks...

    for the record, I was and am one of those on the right side of this one, meaning I never supported the invasion of Iraq...

    But the U.S didn't make a case to invade Iraq because of 9/11. And the U.S and British Governments also didn't obtain any support from the war, either from the public or the U.N. They therefore invaded anyway, unilaterally and illegally.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    oh, chirst...

    sorry I did not spoon feed you...a reason we are in Iraq is 9/11...which of course, I know, had nothing to do with 9/11...however, if 9/11 had never occurred, we would have never gone it Iraq...however, that's another story...
    if if if
    inmytree wrote:
    anyway, keep sticking up for your boy, bin laden...
    why would you say such a stupid thing? I more then anybody want bin laden dead. I do have enough common sense however to realize we cant invade Pakistan to get him.
    inmytree wrote:
    I find it funny that we have a "war on terror", yet we won't go after the man who started it all...
    we are going after him, just not with boots on the ground. we are also going after the entire organization world wide.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Byrnzie wrote:
    But the U.S didn't make a case to invade Iraq because of 9/11. And the U.S and British Governments also didn't obtain any support from the war, either from the public or the U.N. They therefore invaded anyway, unilaterally and illegally.

    what do you want me to say...:confused:

    I agree with you, I was pointing at another factor, it's called fear...to gain public support, they used fear....

    I'm not sure how to be more clear for you...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if if if

    why would you say such a stupid thing? I more then anybody want bin laden dead. I do have enough common sense however to realize we cant invade Pakistan to get him.

    we are going after him, just not with boots on the ground. we are also going after the entire organization world wide.


    yikes, are you saying diplomacy is better that boots on the ground....

    wow...

    by the way, who's advocating a full scale invasion, I'm not...

    we've got special forces, don't we...?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    not to make this discussion partisan, BUT, could you imagine how bad the republicans would be on a democrat administration if they hadnt captured bin laden yet? it would be FUGLY!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    yikes, are you saying diplomacy is better that boots on the ground....
    yikes, why the hell would you think that? no I think unmanned drones firing rockets at el queda and letting pakistan do what they can is all we can do right now.
    inmytree wrote:
    wow...
    I know you just dont get it.

    by the way, who's advocating a full scale invasion, I'm not...

    we've got special forces, don't we...?[/quote]

    like I said, any US solider on the ground would be considered any invasion. not to mention pakistan says we cant. I think we have the best special forces in the world but I dont think much would get accomplished sending them into one of the most remote, rugged, lawless places on earth.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    I think Osama not being captured is also a great example of how unnecesarry and innefective the military is. The USA almost spends more on "defense" that the rest of the world combined, continues to pour its wealth into a massive militray industrial complex and war machine, and it cant even capture a 6'5 arab that operates out of caves with box cutters.

    one day the majority will realize what a waste the military is and its bloated budget. unfortunately it will probably be too late and we will have passed on a massive 30 year war to our children. we really should be proud of ourselves. :)
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inmytree wrote:
    what do you want me to say...:confused:

    I agree with you, I was pointing at another factor, it's called fear...to gain public support, they used fear....

    I'm not sure how to be more clear for you...

    They didn't gain the public's support anywhere other than in America. Hence the massive demonstrations all overthe world prior to the invasion. The reasons that a large percentage of Americans supported the war is not becuase of 9/11, it's because of the succesful Conservative owned propaganda system they have there.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yikes, why the hell would you think that? no I think unmanned drones firing rockets at el queda and letting pakistan do what they can is all we can do right now.

    I know you just dont get it.

    by the way, who's advocating a full scale invasion, I'm not...

    we've got special forces, don't we...?

    like I said, any US solider on the ground would be considered any invasion. not to mention pakistan says we cant. I think we have the best special forces in the world but I dont think much would get accomplished sending them into one of the most remote, rugged, lawless places on earth.


    dude, you sound like a liberal...;)
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:

    like I said, any US solider on the ground would be considered any invasion. not to mention pakistan says we cant. I think we have the best special forces in the world but I dont think much would get accomplished sending them into one of the most remote, rugged, lawless places on earth.


    tell me another one? the funny thing is that you really believe that is why he is not captured. because pakistan wont let us? puuulease.

    the entire world and the UN told us not to invade iraq.

    the selective memory of some people is down right hilarious.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Byrnzie wrote:
    They didn't gain the public's support anywhere other than in America. Hence the massive demonstrations all overthe world prior to the invasion. The reasons that a large percentage of Americans supported the war is not becuase of 9/11, it's because of the succesful Conservative owned propaganda system they have there.

    no shit, sherlock...I'm sorry I did not clearly state I was talking about America...

    I do have to disagree, if 9/11 never happened, we would not be talking about Iraq...plain and simple...you can say it's the propaganda system we have in place, I would agree, however, that propaganda machine need fuel, and that fuel was the fear created on 9/11....
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    inmytree wrote:
    no shit, sherlock...I'm sorry I did not clearly state I was talking about America...

    I do have to disagree, if 9/11 never happened, we would not be talking about Iraq...plain and simple...you can say it's the propaganda system we have in place, I would agree, however, that propaganda machine need fuel, and that fuel was the fear created on 9/11....


    dont fool yourself, they had their eye on iran as sson as little georgie stole the free world in 2000.

    9/11 made it VERY easy to do, but they would have done it otherwise. why do you think the cheney secret energy meetings are secret? bc not only was it a plot to suck america dry, they also planned to take out iraq and secure the oil fields.

    "we cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile" GW 8-21-00 (really bad english, but you got the point ;))
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    tell me another one? the funny thing is that you really believe that is why he is not captured. because pakistan wont let us? puuulease.
    I never said that. what the fuck is wrong with you people. pakistan wont let us in their country. they even claim osama's not there. do we have proof he is?

    I certainly think he's there but why is it all of a sudden you liberals are crying foul because he dont go into pakistan to get him
    my2hands wrote:
    the entire world and the UN told us not to invade iraq.

    the selective memory of some people is down right hilarious.

    well you forgot to mention the US congress approved it as well as many other nations who supported us like Britain and Australia.

    your selective memory is downright stupid.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inmytree wrote:
    no shit, sherlock...I'm sorry I did not clearly state I was talking about America...

    I do have to disagree, if 9/11 never happened, we would not be talking about Iraq...plain and simple...you can say it's the propaganda system we have in place, I would agree, however, that propaganda machine need fuel, and that fuel was the fear created on 9/11....

    Check out The Project for a New American Century website. These fish-heads were drawing up plans to invade Iraq is early as the year 2000.

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