scientist who believes in God

THE LOOK
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edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    THE LOOK wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html
    I saw a scientist giving a lecture once and he stated the results of a poll taken among scientists. 40% polled believed in God.
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  • Ahnimus
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    The most recent numbers I've heard is 15% .
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The most recent numbers I've heard is 15% .
    Obviously different results on different polls.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Obviously different results on different polls.

    Yea, Sam Hariss suggests we need to study these scientists who believe in God.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The most recent numbers I've heard is 15% .

    In getting my Biology/Biochemistry degree and now working in cancer research...I honestly tell you that among my colleagues, coworkers, ex professors, etc. The number is MUCH higher then that. I would say it has to be closer to 50-60%.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    angelica wrote:
    I saw a scientist giving a lecture once and he stated the results of a poll taken among scientists. 40% polled believed in God.

    i haven't known a scientist who doesn't believe in God. it's not a regular topic but sometimes it does come up in passing. things like: "i can't sunday because i'm in church" and comments like that.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I believe in God.
    ...
    Just not the one the Bible describes. He seemed like kind of a dick at times.
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  • Ahnimus
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    I should clarify that 15% is a "personal God" as described in the Bible, a much larger percentage believe in Einstein or Spinoza's God, which is pretty much like no God. Or God=Universe, but does absolutely nothing on a personal level.
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  • know1
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    angelica wrote:
    Obviously different results on different polls.

    Were those scientific polls? :)

    (I would think the majority of scientists believe in God)
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I should clarify that 15% is a "personal God" as described in the Bible, a much larger percentage believe in Einstein or Spinoza's God, which is pretty much like no God. Or God=Universe, but does absolutely nothing on a personal level.
    Okay, because even I don't believe in the God of the bible. Well, I do, but minus all the human good/bad traits humans have projected upon "him".
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    Were those scientific polls? :)

    (I would think the majority of scientists believe in God)

    Is that because you believe in God?

    The vast majority of scientists do not believe in the biblical God.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    know1 wrote:
    Were those scientific polls? :)

    (I would think the majority of scientists believe in God)
    The scientist who spoke of it was one of the people polled. But who knows! ;)
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I should clarify that 15% is a "personal God" as described in the Bible, a much larger percentage believe in Einstein or Spinoza's God, which is pretty much like no God. Or God=Universe, but does absolutely nothing on a personal level.

    is that not god? that's the kind of god i believe in...
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Is that because you believe in God?

    The vast majority of scientists do not believe in the biblical God.

    so? the vast majority of the world doesn't believe in the biblical god. im pretty sure less than 50% of the world is christian. you're pretty narrow-minded and ethnocentric on the whole god thing. you seem to think god and christianity are interchangeable.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    angelica wrote:
    Okay, because even I don't believe in the God of the bible. Well, I do, but minus all the human good/bad traits humans have projected upon "him".

    What other traits does he really have ?? All that good cop/bad cop stuff he does, judgement, etc etc, all human traits, nothing really new as the whole pantheon goes, just crazy human shit justified by godhood.
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  • Scubascott
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    soulsinging wrote:
    is that not god? that's the kind of god i believe in...

    I think its a pretty different concept of God. I don't think its really comparable to the Jewish/Christian/Muslim idea of God. Still, I guess its not atheism, so it still counts as religious belief. Its just a matter of interpretation.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Scubascott wrote:
    I think its a pretty different concept of God. I don't think its really comparable to the Jewish/Christian/Muslim idea of God. Still, I guess its not atheism, so it still counts as religious belief. Its just a matter of interpretation.

    i was referring more to the fact that any time he goes off on an anti-god tirade, it's couched in christian theology. there are a LOT of conceptions of god that are vastly different from the christian one. but he seems incapable of believing that someone can believe in god without being a bible thumping evangelical.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    so? the vast majority of the world doesn't believe in the biblical god. im pretty sure less than 50% of the world is christian. you're pretty narrow-minded and ethnocentric on the whole god thing. you seem to think god and christianity are interchangeable.

    God, Jehova, Yeweh, the origin of God-like entities would be the epic of Gilgamesh in ancient Mesapotamia. Followed by Christianity. All of which depict a personal God, and here in lies the origin of the term God.

    If God is no greater than the universe, then the term becomes the universe. There is not justification for stating that God is the universe and the universe alone, because the two words have separate connotations.

    I believe in the universe and all it's wonder. I stand in awe at the light of the moon at night. I do not believe in God, I do not worship the almighty creator of all things, my universe is not beyond the laws of nature, it is nature.
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    soulsinging wrote:
    i was referring more to the fact that any time he goes off on an anti-god tirade, it's couched in christian theology. there are a LOT of conceptions of god that are vastly different from the christian one. but he seems incapable of believing that someone can believe in god without being a bible thumping evangelical.

    That's pretty fair though, I do the same thing. I couch my arguments in terms of Christain theology becasue that is the dominant theme in God worship, or atetndidng to God. It is certainly the dominant theme in modern conservative thought that threatens teh freedom of thought and action of athiests.
    I also do it becasue it is more amusing than a blank denial of "God does not exist". A more complex argument requires that I allow for the possibility, in order to discuss why that possibility is not realised, thus bringing me to introduce elelments of Christian theology. When I go to Old Testmanet stuf, people just go, that old testament, we don't sacrifice our children, put out eyes, or rape our brothers widows anymore.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    God, Jehova, Yeweh, the origin of God-like entities would be the epic of Gilgamesh in ancient Mesapotamia. Followed by Christianity. All of which depict a personal God, and here in lies the origin of the term God.

    If God is no greater than the universe, then the term becomes the universe. There is not justification for stating that God is the universe and the universe alone, because the two words have separate connotations.

    I believe in the universe and all it's wonder. I stand in awe at the light of the moon at night. I do not believe in God, I do not worship the almighty creator of all things, my universe is not beyond the laws of nature, it is nature.

    that doesn't answer my question at all. you're just saying that's not a legit concept of god becos you dont want to believe in god. do you refuse to even acknowledge that many people believe and worship a god that has nothing to do with the personal christian deity? buddhism and hinduism are almost animistic religions. so is wicca. form there it's a very small leap to god as the universe. regardless of the origin of the term god, it has expanded well beyond the constraints of judeo-christian deity.

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