Iran is arming Taliban, U.S. envoy claims

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    This one's for _________?

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  • Deni
    Deni Posts: 233
    Before we go to war with Iran I only have three words!

    I NEED PROOF!

    I'm sure as hell not falling for that "Weapons of Mass Destruction" thing again.
    "Ideas are bulletproof." --V

    Peace and Love
    Deni
    :)
  • Deni
    Deni Posts: 233
    Oh sorry to interrupt. I didn't realize that this thread was about trash talking and hard ons.

    *hides from the scary boys*
    "Ideas are bulletproof." --V

    Peace and Love
    Deni
    :)
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    A thought: why is it that the middle east is not a military super power? This is another good question. Is it because they live in a culture that isn't quite as ignorant as some other yee-haw cultures that we know about? Maybe, for the most part, they have better things to do than wage international wars?
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  • forgotten_child
    forgotten_child Posts: 54
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this argument is used a lot. you say this as if it were a bad thing. we armed these fighters (not the taliban btw, they later became the taliban) to help fight and invading army that was an enemy of us anyway.

    we supported a small country trying to fight for its freedom from a superpower.

    you see something wrong with this?


    yes its wrong, america interfering in other countries only makes things worse and is illigal and morally wrong.
  • Scratchin a Letter
    Scratchin a Letter Posts: 2,303
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Iran doesnt stand a chance against us. no army does.
    Another typical example of American arrogance.

    China (and possibly Russia) could flatten the US Armed forces in minutes. The ratio is over 2:1. Do your research first.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and please, Iran doesnt stand a chance against us. no army does.


    you've fucked up every war you've been in since Vietnam... and Vietcong, a group of dedicated peasant communists chucked you out of their country... the Salvation Army could whip your arses.. never start a war with China, they'll fucking detroy you.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hahaha how does it feel to know I would turn you into a pretzel. probably not good I would imagine.

    you know why? cuz I am an almighty American ROAR!!!!!!!!!!

    hahahaha.

    This made me laugh.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this argument is used a lot. you say this as if it were a bad thing. we armed these fighters (not the taliban btw, they later became the taliban) to help fight and invading army that was an enemy of us anyway.

    we supported a small country trying to fight for its freedom from a superpower.

    you see something wrong with this?


    There is nothing wrong with arming people to fight a fight you don't belong in as using somebody else's air planes to do your dirty work. Nothing wrong with it at all depending on which side you are cheering for! Go home team! We do no wrong! At least that I can see and fathom!

    By the way......How does it feel to always need to have an enemy? Always!
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Scratchin a Letter wrote:
    Another typical example of American arrogance.

    China (and possibly Russia) could flatten the US Armed forces in minutes. The ratio is over 2:1. Do your research first.
    in minutes?? you people are and talking nonsense. an army from any country does not stand a chance against our air force. they would be destroyed in minutes.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    By the way......How does it feel to always need to have an enemy? Always!
    it sucks. I would like peace as much as you.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The Vietnamese did a pretty good job on you.
    is Iran the same as fighting in a jungle? that was also 40 years ago. not to mention a little war in between then and now called the cold war. an arms race the the US won.

    Byrnzie wrote:
    And, last time I checked, you weren't doing too well over there in Iraq either. Damn these popular insurgencies!
    I know, always cheering for the little guy :rolleyes:

    not too well in Iraq huh? so you are saying fighting the insurgency is the same as fighting the Iranian army?

    and insurgency that leaves roadside bombs and are detonated remotely? and insurgency that wears no uniform and hides among the general population?

    but we have no chance against a marching army huh?


    tell me, how long did saddams army last? how about the taliban ruling afganistan? something the soviets couldnt do in 10 years.

    the american military would destroy Iran in days. and china and russia. got it now guys?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    you've fucked up every war you've been in since Vietnam... and Vietcong, a group of dedicated peasant communists chucked you out of their country... the Salvation Army could whip your arses.. never start a war with China, they'll fucking detroy you.
    easy dunkman. china doesnt stand a chance against us either. our air power alone would take out on offensive strategy they had.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    forgotten_child wrote:
    yes its wrong, america interfering in other countries only makes things worse and is illigal and morally wrong.
    I agree with that. but not just america. any country interfering with someone elses fucks shit up.

    but I dont see how helping a small defenseless country from a superpower who planned on turning it into a province of their own, immoral
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    easy dunkman. china doesnt stand a chance against us either. our air power alone would take out on offensive strategy they had.

    of course it 'stands a chance'... its a superpower and a vast vast country with sheer overwhelming numbers of men at their 'disposal'

    Zambia would fuck you up... i mean you couldnt bombard them from air incase you hit a white rhino. ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    Zambia would fuck you up... i mean you couldnt bombard them from air incase you hit a white rhino. ;)
    you have a point.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but I dont see how helping a small defenseless country from a superpower who planned on turning it into a province of their own, immoral

    So you agree that the insurgents in Iraq right now fighting the U.S occupying forces are fighting a moral fight?
    And would you also offer your hand in helping the Palestinians fight a superpower that plans on turning it's land into a province of their own? I believe there's hope or you yet Jlew! ;)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So you agree that the insurgents in Iraq right now fighting the U.S occupying forces are fighting a moral fight?
    no I dont. the US is not trying to make Iraq a province like the soviets where trying to do. big difference.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And would you also offer your hand in helping the Palestinians fight a superpower that plans on turning it's land into a province of their own? I believe there's hope or you yet Jlew! ;)
    not true either. they are not trying to take over all of palastine. obviously its a border dispute. again, the soviets were trying to make afgahinstan part of the USSR. big difference.

    but not to worry. some have begun to see my bleeding liberal heart ;)
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    is Iran the same as fighting in a jungle? that was also 40 years ago. not to mention a little war in between then and now called the cold war. an arms race the the US won.


    I know, always cheering for the little guy :rolleyes:

    not too well in Iraq huh? so you are saying fighting the insurgency is the same as fighting the Iranian army?

    and insurgency that leaves roadside bombs and are detonated remotely? and insurgency that wears no uniform and hides among the general population?

    but we have no chance against a marching army huh?


    tell me, how long did saddams army last? how about the taliban ruling afganistan? something the soviets couldnt do in 10 years.

    the american military would destroy Iran in days. and china and russia. got it now guys?
    Yes, whenever other nations play by our rules, we win. But that's simply not the way warfare works these days, and unless we are willing to kill a vast majority of the enemy's population, combat and civilian, then we will end up with a popular insurgency that uses roadside bombs, diversionary manuvers, and guerilla tactics. So unless you want to just go in there, kill lotsa people, declare victory and leave, your vision of American superiority - moral, societal, and military - simply will not pan out.

    And if you want to do what is necessary in a pre-emptive conflict, the moral and societal aspects will lose all semblence of superiority. In the end, no matter our proported intentions, we would be an occupying imperial police force, plain and simple.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    And if you want to do what is necessary in a pre-emptive conflict, the moral and societal aspects will lose all semblence of superiority. In the end, no matter our proported intentions, we would be an occupying imperial police force, plain and simple.
    I certainly do not want to invade or occupy Iran. I would support bombing camps near the border and nuke sites if it came to that. I hope we never have to send one solider across the border

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