Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
A thought: why is it that the middle east is not a military super power? This is another good question. Is it because they live in a culture that isn't quite as ignorant as some other yee-haw cultures that we know about? Maybe, for the most part, they have better things to do than wage international wars?
this argument is used a lot. you say this as if it were a bad thing. we armed these fighters (not the taliban btw, they later became the taliban) to help fight and invading army that was an enemy of us anyway.
we supported a small country trying to fight for its freedom from a superpower.
you see something wrong with this?
yes its wrong, america interfering in other countries only makes things worse and is illigal and morally wrong.
and please, Iran doesnt stand a chance against us. no army does.
you've fucked up every war you've been in since Vietnam... and Vietcong, a group of dedicated peasant communists chucked you out of their country... the Salvation Army could whip your arses.. never start a war with China, they'll fucking detroy you.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
hahaha how does it feel to know I would turn you into a pretzel. probably not good I would imagine.
you know why? cuz I am an almighty American ROAR!!!!!!!!!!
hahahaha.
This made me laugh.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
this argument is used a lot. you say this as if it were a bad thing. we armed these fighters (not the taliban btw, they later became the taliban) to help fight and invading army that was an enemy of us anyway.
we supported a small country trying to fight for its freedom from a superpower.
you see something wrong with this?
There is nothing wrong with arming people to fight a fight you don't belong in as using somebody else's air planes to do your dirty work. Nothing wrong with it at all depending on which side you are cheering for! Go home team! We do no wrong! At least that I can see and fathom!
By the way......How does it feel to always need to have an enemy? Always!
China (and possibly Russia) could flatten the US Armed forces in minutes. The ratio is over 2:1. Do your research first.
in minutes?? you people are and talking nonsense. an army from any country does not stand a chance against our air force. they would be destroyed in minutes.
is Iran the same as fighting in a jungle? that was also 40 years ago. not to mention a little war in between then and now called the cold war. an arms race the the US won.
you've fucked up every war you've been in since Vietnam... and Vietcong, a group of dedicated peasant communists chucked you out of their country... the Salvation Army could whip your arses.. never start a war with China, they'll fucking detroy you.
easy dunkman. china doesnt stand a chance against us either. our air power alone would take out on offensive strategy they had.
easy dunkman. china doesnt stand a chance against us either. our air power alone would take out on offensive strategy they had.
of course it 'stands a chance'... its a superpower and a vast vast country with sheer overwhelming numbers of men at their 'disposal'
Zambia would fuck you up... i mean you couldnt bombard them from air incase you hit a white rhino.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
but I dont see how helping a small defenseless country from a superpower who planned on turning it into a province of their own, immoral
So you agree that the insurgents in Iraq right now fighting the U.S occupying forces are fighting a moral fight?
And would you also offer your hand in helping the Palestinians fight a superpower that plans on turning it's land into a province of their own? I believe there's hope or you yet Jlew!
And would you also offer your hand in helping the Palestinians fight a superpower that plans on turning it's land into a province of their own? I believe there's hope or you yet Jlew!
not true either. they are not trying to take over all of palastine. obviously its a border dispute. again, the soviets were trying to make afgahinstan part of the USSR. big difference.
but not to worry. some have begun to see my bleeding liberal heart
is Iran the same as fighting in a jungle? that was also 40 years ago. not to mention a little war in between then and now called the cold war. an arms race the the US won.
I know, always cheering for the little guy :rolleyes:
not too well in Iraq huh? so you are saying fighting the insurgency is the same as fighting the Iranian army?
and insurgency that leaves roadside bombs and are detonated remotely? and insurgency that wears no uniform and hides among the general population?
but we have no chance against a marching army huh?
tell me, how long did saddams army last? how about the taliban ruling afganistan? something the soviets couldnt do in 10 years.
the american military would destroy Iran in days. and china and russia. got it now guys?
Yes, whenever other nations play by our rules, we win. But that's simply not the way warfare works these days, and unless we are willing to kill a vast majority of the enemy's population, combat and civilian, then we will end up with a popular insurgency that uses roadside bombs, diversionary manuvers, and guerilla tactics. So unless you want to just go in there, kill lotsa people, declare victory and leave, your vision of American superiority - moral, societal, and military - simply will not pan out.
And if you want to do what is necessary in a pre-emptive conflict, the moral and societal aspects will lose all semblence of superiority. In the end, no matter our proported intentions, we would be an occupying imperial police force, plain and simple.
And if you want to do what is necessary in a pre-emptive conflict, the moral and societal aspects will lose all semblence of superiority. In the end, no matter our proported intentions, we would be an occupying imperial police force, plain and simple.
I certainly do not want to invade or occupy Iran. I would support bombing camps near the border and nuke sites if it came to that. I hope we never have to send one solider across the border
I certainly do not want to invade or occupy Iran. I would support bombing camps near the border and nuke sites if it came to that. I hope we never have to send one solider across the border
We're in Iraq, which boarders Iran. If we bomb them, where do you think their soldiers will go? And, if we engage them, where do you think we will go? It's far too complex a situation to solve by bombing. You can say you don't want to invade or occupy Iran - and I can say I don't want to drown when I jump off a moving ship in the middle of the ocean. In both scenarios, our actions betray our stated desires.
We're in Iraq, which boarders Iran. If we bomb them, where do you think their soldiers will go? And, if we engage them, where do you think we will go? It's far too complex a situation to solve by bombing. You can say you don't want to invade or occupy Iran - and I can say I don't want to drown when I jump off a moving ship in the middle of the ocean. In both scenarios, our actions betray our stated desires.
I have no problem engaging them from Iraq. destroying nuke sites and training camps is the goal. not to remove the regime or occupy the country.
I have no problem engaging them from Iraq. destroying nuke sites and training camps is the goal. not to remove the regime or occupy the country.
If we don't remove the regime and occupy the country, do you think they'll ever stop engaging us in Iraq? And if they never stop engaging us in Iraq, and it is our stated goal to "stabilize" the region, you've essentially written up the receipe for unending occupation of at least one of those countries.
If we don't remove the regime and occupy the country, do you think they'll ever stop engaging us in Iraq? And if they never stop engaging us in Iraq, and it is our stated goal to "stabilize" the region, you've essentially written up the receipe for unending occupation of at least one of those countries.
i'm sure they will put up a fight. but we do not intend on staying in Iraq forever. we will probably be out in 2008 when bush leaves office. I see nothing wrong with destroying training camps along the border on the Iran side.
Iran is arming Hezbollah which is trying to overthrow the government in Lebanon.
we have armed questionable groups and helped overthrow many governments
They are in bed with Syria, which assasinated the President of Lebanon.
we have been in bed with many questionable groups or governments and have assasinated leaders
They are arming and training insurgents in Iraq.
we have armed and trained multiple insurgency groups in all corners of the globe
They are arming and training the Taliban in Afghanistan.
we have armed and trained many questionable groups, including bin laden
They kidnapped a bunch of uniformed British servicemen not too long ago.
we currently have 39 people that have disappeared in our custody, not to mention many secret detentions (see gitmo and black prison sites)
They are manufacturing nuclear materials that can be used in weapons.
now this is just laughable coming from a country that currently controls 10,000 nuclear weapons and continues to develop new ones. not to mention we are the only country that has used them resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths
Joe Lieberman recently said we should strike Iran, and I'm starting to agree....
perhaps joe lieberman should take a long look in the mirror, as should people that agree with him.
i think we need to get control of our country and try to lead by a peaceful example before we start pointing fingers and sabre rattle at regimes that are doing on a small scale what we have been doing on a grand scale
how can a coutnry with 10,000 nuclear weapons, and still developing nuclear weapons advocate a military strike against another country for the same reason?
we are the threat, whether you believe it or not. we are capable of destroying the entire planet in less than 1 hour, and i need to be concerned with iran? i call bullshit
the american military would destroy Iran in days. and china and russia. got it now guys?
and again
apparently you are a fan of MAD... Mutually Assured Destruction. china and russia could "destroy" our beautiful country in hours as well, considering they have many nuclear weapons currently targeted on our major civilian populations
jlew, i know your a smart dude, so i figured you would have seen by now that military solutions are highly innefective.
the tough guy, "our military can kill you" is so fucking childish.
the United States of America has the military capabality to destroy most, if not all of the planet. YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT?
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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yes its wrong, america interfering in other countries only makes things worse and is illigal and morally wrong.
China (and possibly Russia) could flatten the US Armed forces in minutes. The ratio is over 2:1. Do your research first.
you've fucked up every war you've been in since Vietnam... and Vietcong, a group of dedicated peasant communists chucked you out of their country... the Salvation Army could whip your arses.. never start a war with China, they'll fucking detroy you.
This made me laugh.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
There is nothing wrong with arming people to fight a fight you don't belong in as using somebody else's air planes to do your dirty work. Nothing wrong with it at all depending on which side you are cheering for! Go home team! We do no wrong! At least that I can see and fathom!
By the way......How does it feel to always need to have an enemy? Always!
I know, always cheering for the little guy :rolleyes:
not too well in Iraq huh? so you are saying fighting the insurgency is the same as fighting the Iranian army?
and insurgency that leaves roadside bombs and are detonated remotely? and insurgency that wears no uniform and hides among the general population?
but we have no chance against a marching army huh?
tell me, how long did saddams army last? how about the taliban ruling afganistan? something the soviets couldnt do in 10 years.
the american military would destroy Iran in days. and china and russia. got it now guys?
but I dont see how helping a small defenseless country from a superpower who planned on turning it into a province of their own, immoral
of course it 'stands a chance'... its a superpower and a vast vast country with sheer overwhelming numbers of men at their 'disposal'
Zambia would fuck you up... i mean you couldnt bombard them from air incase you hit a white rhino.
So you agree that the insurgents in Iraq right now fighting the U.S occupying forces are fighting a moral fight?
And would you also offer your hand in helping the Palestinians fight a superpower that plans on turning it's land into a province of their own? I believe there's hope or you yet Jlew!
not true either. they are not trying to take over all of palastine. obviously its a border dispute. again, the soviets were trying to make afgahinstan part of the USSR. big difference.
but not to worry. some have begun to see my bleeding liberal heart
And if you want to do what is necessary in a pre-emptive conflict, the moral and societal aspects will lose all semblence of superiority. In the end, no matter our proported intentions, we would be an occupying imperial police force, plain and simple.
perhaps joe lieberman should take a long look in the mirror, as should people that agree with him.
i think we need to get control of our country and try to lead by a peaceful example before we start pointing fingers and sabre rattle at regimes that are doing on a small scale what we have been doing on a grand scale
how can a coutnry with 10,000 nuclear weapons, and still developing nuclear weapons advocate a military strike against another country for the same reason?
we are the threat, whether you believe it or not. we are capable of destroying the entire planet in less than 1 hour, and i need to be concerned with iran? i call bullshit
does this make you feel like a man?
this is the type of ignorance humans, especially americans, need to leave behind. it is just fucking sad and pathetic
"my dad can beat up your dad"
and again
and again
get off your moral high horse, k.
and again
apparently you are a fan of MAD... Mutually Assured Destruction. china and russia could "destroy" our beautiful country in hours as well, considering they have many nuclear weapons currently targeted on our major civilian populations
jlew, i know your a smart dude, so i figured you would have seen by now that military solutions are highly innefective.
the tough guy, "our military can kill you" is so fucking childish.
the United States of America has the military capabality to destroy most, if not all of the planet. YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT?