Iran is arming Taliban, U.S. envoy claims

jlew24asu

inmytree wrote:

How about this, we focus all of our energy on Energy Independence...that way we can leave the region, forever, with our money, and they can go fuck themselves and their oil...?

tree, I love ya and this statement. but its much like MLK had in the 60s. just a dream. but i'm on your side on this I promise. I hope the day comes soon

inmytree

sweet fanny moses...!!

jlew and ncfan both agree with me...yippeeeeee!!!

I knew today was going to be a good day...:)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

any Senator that poses with Barney will forever be a fuckwad in my eyes... lol

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Abookamongstthemany

inmytree wrote:

sweet fanny moses...!!

jlew and ncfan both agree with me...yippeeeeee!!!

I knew today was going to be a good day...:)

They were afraid you'd pull out the big guns on them...you know, like 'bloo blaa blu boo boo' Oh, how that cracked me up.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

They were afraid you'd pull out the big guns on them...you know, like 'bloo blaa blu boo boo' Oh, how that cracked me up.

bloo blaa blu boo boo. love that rap

puremagic

inmytree wrote:

How about this, we focus all of our energy on Energy Independence...that way we can leave the region, forever, with our money, and they can go fuck themselves and their oil...?

Even better, how about this: If the oil industry would quit bitching about how expensive it is to mine and process shale oil and just start doing it, the U.S. could be virtually independent of foreign oil. They did it successfully during WWII and the 1970s. Why continue to kill and steal when you can tell them to go f--k themselves and their oil!!! Greed, power, profit.

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puremagic

NCfan wrote:

Iran is arming Hezbollah which is trying to overthrow the government in Lebanon. They are in bed with Syria, which assasinated the President of Lebanon. They are arming and training insurgents in Iraq. They are arming and training the Taliban in Afghanistan. They kidnapped a bunch of uniformed British servicemen not too long ago. They are manufacturing nuclear materials that can be used in weapons.

Joe Lieberman recently said we should strike Iran, and I'm starting to agree....
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Now Hezbollah's activities is Iran's fault. Why would Iran give away any weapons, of any kind, under the constant threat of an attack by the US and it's coalition forces? Damn there are U.S. warships within striking distance. If anything, Iran is probably preparing itself for whatever "excuse" the U.S. puts pressure on the UN to pass some silly Order which Bush/Cheney/Rice can say Iran violated and then attack their country.

I think Lieberman needs a rest, his speechs always sounds like he's confusing time periods. He sounds like he's suffering from flashbacks of how he wish he could have destoryed Vietnam and Cambodia and how he uses is military service to bait Bush/Cheney because he really thinks they are political idiots like Nixon who they never served their country.

Abookamongstthemany

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L Mencken

NCfan

puremagic wrote:

Now Hezbollah's activities is Iran's fault. Why would Iran give away any weapons, of any kind, under the constant threat of an attack by the US and it's coalition forces? Damn there are U.S. warships within striking distance. If anything, Iran is probably preparing itself for whatever "excuse" the U.S. puts pressure on the UN to pass some silly Order which Bush/Cheney/Rice can say Iran violated and then attack their country.

I think Lieberman needs a rest, his speechs always sounds like he's confusing time periods. He sounds like he's suffering from flashbacks of how he wish he could have destoryed Vietnam and Cambodia and how he uses is military service to bait Bush/Cheney because he really thinks they are political idiots like Nixon who they never served their country.

What are you talking about here? Do you not think that Iran virtually created Hezbollah in the 80's and has continually supplied them with money, training and arms? Are you disputing that? All of the thousands of rockets that Hezbollah fired on Israel last summer - they were all made in Iran and supplied to Hezbollah. Anybody on the street knows that...

puremagic

NCfan wrote:

What are you talking about here? Do you not think that Iran virtually created Hezbollah in the 80's and has continually supplied them with money, training and arms? Are you disputing that? All of the thousands of rockets that Hezbollah fired on Israel last summer - they were all made in Iran and supplied to Hezbollah. Anybody on the street knows that...

Ask Oliver North.

FredFlintstone

jlew24asu wrote:

so its ok for them to be training and equipping people to kill our soldiers? and please, Iran doesnt stand a chance against us. no army does.



actually we are arming sunni's too. I bet you didnt know that.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6112208

Iran doesnt stand a chance against us?? Keep dreaming.
The US would NEVER EVER in a million years win a ground war in Iran. NEVER EVER.
Keep dreaming and playing with your GI Joes.

jlew24asu

FredFlintstone wrote:

Iran doesnt stand a chance against us?? Keep dreaming.
The US would NEVER EVER in a million years win a ground war in Iran. NEVER EVER.
Keep dreaming and playing with your GI Joes.

haha are you serious? we would turn that country into a parking lot with ever setting foot inside the country.

NEVER EVER NEVER EVER. I noted the all caps. must be true.

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

haha are you serious? we would turn that country into a parking lot with ever setting foot inside the country.

NEVER EVER NEVER EVER. I noted the all caps. must be true.

There can never be success on the ground unless you ruthlessly wipe out the population...and that is just sick, disgusting and makes us monsters. There is always going to be resistance and the cycle of violence will go on and on, costing us more and more...especially with a stronger country like Iran.

Cosmo

So...
We hit Iran militarily... then, what? What is the plan afterwards? what will the results be? How do you deal with the aftermath? Turn Iran into a Democracy?
Any fool with a gun can do what he wants... at first. It's dealing with the mess that he leaves that's the hard part.
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also... Iran has ALWAYS been the problem in the Middle East. Iraq was suposed to be a cake walk... look how that has panned out. We have given the upper hand in the region to Iran with our little adventure.
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Finally... what give you the confidence in this administration that they will be able to successfully execute a military campaign in Iran? The current and growing deterioration in Afghanistan? The bang up job in Iraq? The masterful response to the natural disaster that was Katrina? What?

Specifics

jlew24asu wrote:

haha are you serious? we would turn that country into a parking lot with ever setting foot inside the country.

I'm not surprised that brings on an escalation of smugness in you.
However, if you knew anything of ground fighting you would realise how this brave tactic can make the clearance job 10 times harder against a determined enemy. America doesnt have the discipline or the skills on the ground for this, and i suspect that Britain would not be helping them out this time.
Good luck! and i promise you this, i would not reach half the level of smugness that you portray in every word while i was watching this happen, maybe if i thought you had the balls to actually be there, but then maybe i would have an ounce of respect for anything you say.

forgotten_child

NCfan wrote:

Iran is arming Hezbollah which is trying to overthrow the government in Lebanon. They are in bed with Syria, which assasinated the President of Lebanon. They are arming and training insurgents in Iraq. They are arming and training the Taliban in Afghanistan. They kidnapped a bunch of uniformed British servicemen not too long ago. They are manufacturing nuclear materials that can be used in weapons.

Joe Lieberman recently said we should strike Iran, and I'm starting to agree....


AP
PARIS - A senior U.S. diplomat accused Iran on Tuesday of transferring weapons to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan — the most direct comments yet on the issue by a ranking American official.

Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, speaking to reporters in Paris, said Iran was funding insurrections across the Middle East — and “Iran is now even transferring arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan.”

“It’s a country that’s trying to flex its muscles, but in a way that’s injurious to the interests of just about everybody else in the world,” he said. “I think it’s a major miscalculation.”

In Afghanistan last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Iranian weapons were falling into the hands of Taliban fighters, but stopped short of blaming the government itself.

Iran’s possible role in aiding insurgents in Iraq has long been hotly debated, and last month some Western and Persian Gulf governments charged that the Islamic government in Tehran is also secretly bolstering Taliban fighters.

General, Blair weigh in
In an interview with The Associated Press on Monday, U.S. Army Gen. Dan McNeill said Taliban fighters are showing signs of better training, using combat techniques comparable to “an advanced Western military” in ambushes of U.S. Special Forces soldiers.

“In Afghanistan it is clear that the Taliban is receiving support, including arms from ... elements of the Iranian regime,” British Prime Minister Tony Blair wrote in the May 31 edition of the Economist.

Iran, which is also in a dispute with the West over its nuclear program, denies the Taliban accusation, calling it part of a broad anti-Iranian campaign. Tehran says it makes no sense that a Shiite-led government like itself would help the fundamentalist Sunni movement of the Taliban.

Burns also criticized Iran’s perceived intransigence over its nuclear program, which many Western powers fear masks a plan to build weapons — though Iran says its intentions are to generate energy.

Burns insisted new U.N. Security Council measures were needed “so that the Iranians don’t have business as usual.”

Third U.N. resolution sought
“We will have to move forward at the Security Council for a third ... resolution in a matter of weeks,” he said.

The council imposed sanctions on Iran on Dec. 23 for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment despite U.N. demands, and modestly increased the sanctions March 24 when Tehran stepped up its enrichment program.

“We believe that beyond (the third resolution), Europe and the Asian countries and Middle Eastern countries will have to adopt even harsher sanction measures outside the Security Council,” Burns added.

Many have sought new sanctions after the International Atomic Energy Agency’s recent report that Iran’s enrichment program was expanding — and its warning for the first time that its knowledge of Tehran’s nuclear activities was shrinking.

The prospect of council action appeared more likely after a senior Iranian envoy abruptly canceled talks Monday with the head of the IAEA.

Thats a change isnt it? it used to be america who armed them. its a funny old world.

Cosmo

forgotten_child wrote:

Thats a change isnt it? it used to be america who armed them. its a funny old world.

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And think about it... if there was a muslim military occupying Mexico... you can be SURE the U.S. would be arming and supplying the Mexican insurgents to kill Muslim soldiers. Just like if it were the Russian or Chinese Army in Iraq right now... we would be doing the same thing as Iran.
The Middle East is Iran's neighborhood... seriously, what else would you expect?

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

There can never be success on the ground unless you ruthlessly wipe out the population...and that is just sick, disgusting and makes us monsters. There is always going to be resistance and the cycle of violence will go on and on, costing us more and more...especially with a stronger country like Iran.

I don't think we would EVER go to war with Iran. as far as a full out invasion similar to Iraq.

the only military response I see is bombing nuke sites and some camps near the Iraq border that are training fighters that go into Iraq.

jlew24asu

Specifics wrote:

I'm not surprised that brings on an escalation of smugness in you.
However, if you knew anything of ground fighting you would realise how this brave tactic can make the clearance job 10 times harder against a determined enemy. America doesnt have the discipline or the skills on the ground for this, and i suspect that Britain would not be helping them out this time.
Good luck! and i promise you this, i would not reach half the level of smugness that you portray in every word while i was watching this happen, maybe if i thought you had the balls to actually be there, but then maybe i would have an ounce of respect for anything you say.

hahaha how does it feel to know I would turn you into a pretzel. probably not good I would imagine.

you know why? cuz I am an almighty American ROAR!!!!!!!!!!

hahahaha.

Specifics

jlew24asu wrote:

hahaha how does it feel to know I would turn you into a pretzel. probably not good I would imagine.

you know why? cuz I am an almighty American ROAR!!!!!!!!!!

hahahaha.

did you just smoke your first spliff little fella?

Edit: it is good to see you're trying to be humorous, that one was a little bit embarrassing to read, but don't be put off, everyone starts somewhere, its cool