This is not about keeping things underwraps. This is about hassling Jeanie over something that affected her deeply.
She doesn't need all this.
Listen to her.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Jeanie is my friend and I think she deserves to know that someone who she was very close to, someone that she was notified had died, just emailed another poster out of the blue to try to get back in good graces with the board. Jeanie was devastated by the 'death' of ols. Don't you think she deserves to know about this email? Also, I, as well as many others here were friends with ols. We were very saddened by the news of his passing. This is a shock to us as well.
I care deeply for jeanie...don't you assume that I don't.
This is just someone airing dirty laundry. And I find it suspect that none of my particular posts have been addressed by the op. It is very simple: she has his email, she can write him and find out.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I think the best thing we can do is leave Jeanie out of this thread until she chooses to get involved. If people feel the need to PM her, they should be understanding if she isn't in the right place to PM back. Until then, speculating about what she did or didn't know, and how she will or won't react is unfair.
She knows she has a LOT of good friends here she can talk to whenever she needs to.:)
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
And I find it suspect that none of my particular posts have been addressed by the op.
I have very clearly expressed my views in this thread. Your "truth" post regarding me shows that you have either not read my posts or that you've chosen to not believe what I've stated as my intentions. Therefore there is no foundation for communication between you and I.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I think the best thing we can do is leave Jeanie out of this thread until she chooses to get involved. If people feel the need to PM her, they should be understanding if she isn't in the right place to PM back. Until then, speculating about what she did or didn't know, and how she will or won't react is unfair.
She knows she has a LOT of good friends here she can talk to whenever she needs to.:)
Not going to work. Not trying to be rude, but it's not going to work.
Then why was this even started in the first place? I don't understand.
If the OP was contacted by him, why can't she just write him back?
I am getting it. No worries there. Just don't know why.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I care deeply for jeanie...don't you assume that I don't.
This is just someone airing dirty laundry. And I find it suspect that none of my particular posts have been addressed by the op. It is very simple: she has his email, she can write him and find out.
i know what you mean, this issue could've been resolved without going public
Not only that, but her "simple" solution starts with the underlying flawed premise that I have not already tried to get clarity from him.
i just re read you op and you do mention ols but not once do you mention " i did pm jeanie on this matter " all we are saying at least the people that dissagree with you is that you should of contacted her 1st just to ler her know unless you have and then i apologize for assuming that's how i see it ...
I have very clearly expressed my views in this thread. Your "truth" post regarding me shows that you have either not read my posts or that you've chosen to not believe what I've stated as my intentions. Therefore there is no foundation for communication between you and I.
Oh I read everything you said.
You are suspecting someone pulled a fast one.
Why don't you just spell it out?
Again, why couldn't this be solved in a pm conversation?
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
As someone who came to this board at the tail end of OLS's time here (I seem to remember one or two debates with him, but nothing of consequence), I'd call myself a pretty neutral 3rd party. I don't see why others are upset at Angelica's post. She, and clearly many others here, were led to believe something terrible that now appears not to be true. First, those that were affected have a right to know immediately of any changes. Second, in no way does the OP appear to be aimed at this Jeanie person. I understand there are personal connections here that I do not know, but I feel my lack of connection to the situation may give me a clearer view of the appropriateness of the thread.
Also, the fact that the mods have not locked or deleted it tells me something. They've most likely been contacted by PM about the situation as well, and they appear to not have an issue with the subject matter.
When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
As someone who came to this board at the tail end of OLS's time here (I seem to remember one or two debates with him, but nothing of consequence), I'd call myself a pretty neutral 3rd party. I don't see why others are upset at Angelica's post. She, and clearly many others here, were led to believe something terrible that now appears not to be true. First, those that were affected have a right to know immediately of any changes. Second, in no way does the OP appear to be aimed at this Jeanie person. I understand there are personal connections here that I do not know, but I feel my lack of connection to the situation may give me a clearer view of the appropriateness of the thread.
Also, the fact that the mods have not locked or deleted it tells me something. They've most likely been contacted by PM about the situation as well, and they appear to not have an issue with the subject matter.
Even mods make mistakes.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
As someone who came to this board at the tail end of OLS's time here (I seem to remember one or two debates with him, but nothing of consequence), I'd call myself a pretty neutral 3rd party. I don't see why others are upset at Angelica's post. She, and clearly many others here, were led to believe something terrible that now appears not to be true. First, those that were affected have a right to know immediately of any changes. Second, in no way does the OP appear to be aimed at this Jeanie person. I understand there are personal connections here that I do not know, but I feel my lack of connection to the situation may give me a clearer view of the appropriateness of the thread.
Also, the fact that the mods have not locked or deleted it tells me something. They've most likely been contacted by PM about the situation as well, and they appear to not have an issue with the subject matter.
Thanks for your support.
Also, the original thread where Jeanie told us all of ols' death seems to have been deleted, apparently by the mods (both myself and another searched for it). If the email is truly from ols, and he's being trying to be reinstated as he claims, and given that thread has been deleted, it seems the mods don't want the erroneous, or at the least, questionable "information" of such a "death" out there.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Do it Yourself... Kiddies.
Arizona Department of Health Services... go to their website.
...
You cannot die without the authorities being notified. It becomes public record.
...
peace...
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Hail, Hail!!!
I don't see why people are getting all pissy. No one here is blaming Jeanie for this in anyway. We know that Jeanie had a close relationship with OLS and are just wondering if she can shed some light on the situation. I personally had a great deal of correspondence with OLS and would really like to know what happened to him? I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax. There is a solution, if you don't agree with the topic of this thread, simply don't post in it or read it. If you do continue to post your thought on the matter in a respectful manner and refrain from placing blame on any party until more facts surface.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Another day to wish I'd never woken up but you get those I guess.
I don't really have a lot of answers for you. I have no intention of getting into this with anyone so this will be my only comment on the situation.
On the 22nd of January I received notification from a family member of Allen's that he had passed away on the 19th at 4pm. I still have a copy of the pm so if anyone is doubtful that I misinterpreted what was said to me there are plenty of people here that know me and have read that pm and the subsequent ones that came after it. Actually there are several people here that I have kept up to date with each blow as it has come.
I posted a thread about him dying almost as soon as I was told because I was in complete shock and during that day his account was closed down. I spoke with Kat about it because I was greatly concerned that his family wouldn't be able to contact me but Kat explained the rules, offered her condolences and said she would email the registering email address on the account for me if I wanted to send a message to his family which I did.
The day after I was told he had died and I went with my family, who were also grieving his loss, to the Open Plains Zoo here in Melbourne to see the buffalo and have a memorial service, and then out to a nursery to pick a tree to plant at our farm in his memory. Then I curled up in a ball and wished to die.
Since then I have spent a great deal of time hunting for details and looking for answers, I've found a lot of things and ended up with a lot more questions. The bottom line is at no point have I lied to anyone here. Well to anyone anywhere really. If I had been able to wade through and establish absolute truths then I'd have informed you but always I've considered that it is not appropriate for me to be airing dirty laundry if there are people grieving. Now I know that I will never have answers. Whatever the truth is now is of no consequence to me, there has been far too many questions unanswered for that and far too much malicious gossip, innuendo and pain. If Allen is alive then I wish him well but ultimately the truth as I know it is that I would never subject another human being to the kinds of emotional torture that I have been subjected to with regard to this situation. My life, who I am, is not about drama and intrigue. I choose to step out of the long running day time soap and live my life, FOR ME.
If anyone has a problem with how I've handled the situation well I'm sorry for that but other wise as far as I'm concerned this bullshit is not worthy of me and now with clarity I see, that I can walk away
I don't see why people are getting all pissy. No one here is blaming Jeanie for this in anyway. We know that Jeanie had a close relationship with OLS and are just wondering if she can shed some light on the situation. I personally had a great deal of correspondence with OLS and would really like to know what happened to him? I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax. There is a solution, if you don't agree with the topic of this thread, simply don't post in it or read it. If you do continue to post your thought on the matter in a respectful manner and refrain from placing blame on any party until more facts surface.
The only person being blamed is OLS.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Another day to wish I'd never woken up but you get those I guess.
I don't really have a lot of answers for you. I have no intention of getting into this with anyone so this will be my only comment on the situation.
On the 22nd of January I received notification from a family member of Allen's that he had passed away on the 19th at 4pm. I still have a copy of the pm so if anyone is doubtful that I misinterpreted what was said to me there are plenty of people here that know me and have read that pm and the subsequent ones that came after it. Actually there are several people here that I have kept up to date with each blow as it has come.
I posted a thread about him dying almost as soon as I was told because I was in complete shock and during that day his account was closed down. I spoke with Kat about it because I was greatly concerned that his family wouldn't be able to contact me but Kat explained the rules, offered her condolences and said she would email the registering email address on the account for me if I wanted to send a message to his family which I did.
The day after I was told he had died and I went with my family, who were also grieving his loss, to the Open Plains Zoo here in Melbourne to see the buffalo and have a memorial service, and then out to a nursery to pick a tree to plant at our farm in his memory. Then I curled up in a ball and wished to die.
Since then I have spent a great deal of time hunting for details and looking for answers, I've found a lot of things and ended up with a lot more questions. The bottom line is at no point have I lied to anyone here. Well to anyone anywhere really. If I had been able to wade through and establish absolute truths then I'd have informed you but always I've considered that it is not appropriate for me to be airing dirty laundry if there are people grieving. Now I know that I will never have answers. Whatever the truth is now is of no consequence to me, there has been far too many questions unanswered for that and far too much malicious gossip, innuendo and pain. If Allen is alive then I wish him well but ultimately the truth as I know it is that I would never subject another human being to the kinds of emotional torture that I have been subjected to with regard to this situation. My life, who I am, is not about drama and intrigue. I choose to step out of the long running day time soap and live my life, FOR ME.
If anyone has a problem with how I've handled the situation well I'm sorry for that but other wise as far as I'm concerned this bullshit is not worthy of me and now with clarity I see, that I can walk away
Jeanie, I don't believe that anyone here would even entertain the thought that you purposely or even maliciously lied to us. I think that your name came into the equation simply because of your close friendship with Allen. Lastly you have no need or even reason to apologize to anyone here.
Best wishes,
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Jeanie, I don't believe that anyone here would even entertain the thought that you purposely or even maliciously lied to us. I think that your name came into the equation simply because of your close friendship with Allen. Lastly you have no need or even reason to apologize to anyone here.
Best wishes,
Agreed.
Peace, Jeanie.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Jeanie, I don't believe that anyone here would even entertain the thought that you purposely or even maliciously lied to us. I think that your name came into the equation simply because of your close friendship with Allen. Lastly you have no need or even reason to apologize to anyone here.
Best wishes,
Nicely said.
Jeanie, the thought never came into my mind that you lied or were at fault here somehow. I know better than that.
I'm just so sorry that all this has happened to such a good hearted and kind person that I have always known you to be.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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This is just someone airing dirty laundry. And I find it suspect that none of my particular posts have been addressed by the op. It is very simple: she has his email, she can write him and find out.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
She knows she has a LOT of good friends here she can talk to whenever she needs to.:)
Not going to work. Not trying to be rude, but it's not going to work.
I have very clearly expressed my views in this thread. Your "truth" post regarding me shows that you have either not read my posts or that you've chosen to not believe what I've stated as my intentions. Therefore there is no foundation for communication between you and I.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i believe it's a bit late for this ....
If the OP was contacted by him, why can't she just write him back?
I am getting it. No worries there. Just don't know why.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i know what you mean, this issue could've been resolved without going public
Well, maybe from here on out, at least - if the mods don't lock it.
i just re read you op and you do mention ols but not once do you mention " i did pm jeanie on this matter " all we are saying at least the people that dissagree with you is that you should of contacted her 1st just to ler her know unless you have and then i apologize for assuming that's how i see it ...
You are suspecting someone pulled a fast one.
Why don't you just spell it out?
Again, why couldn't this be solved in a pm conversation?
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
agreed. Either side of the line leads to a fucked up ending.
Also, the fact that the mods have not locked or deleted it tells me something. They've most likely been contacted by PM about the situation as well, and they appear to not have an issue with the subject matter.
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
Even mods make mistakes.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Thanks for your support.
Also, the original thread where Jeanie told us all of ols' death seems to have been deleted, apparently by the mods (both myself and another searched for it). If the email is truly from ols, and he's being trying to be reinstated as he claims, and given that thread has been deleted, it seems the mods don't want the erroneous, or at the least, questionable "information" of such a "death" out there.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Arizona Department of Health Services... go to their website.
...
You cannot die without the authorities being notified. It becomes public record.
...
peace...
Hail, Hail!!!
Another day to wish I'd never woken up but you get those I guess.
I don't really have a lot of answers for you. I have no intention of getting into this with anyone so this will be my only comment on the situation.
On the 22nd of January I received notification from a family member of Allen's that he had passed away on the 19th at 4pm. I still have a copy of the pm so if anyone is doubtful that I misinterpreted what was said to me there are plenty of people here that know me and have read that pm and the subsequent ones that came after it. Actually there are several people here that I have kept up to date with each blow as it has come.
I posted a thread about him dying almost as soon as I was told because I was in complete shock and during that day his account was closed down. I spoke with Kat about it because I was greatly concerned that his family wouldn't be able to contact me but Kat explained the rules, offered her condolences and said she would email the registering email address on the account for me if I wanted to send a message to his family which I did.
The day after I was told he had died and I went with my family, who were also grieving his loss, to the Open Plains Zoo here in Melbourne to see the buffalo and have a memorial service, and then out to a nursery to pick a tree to plant at our farm in his memory. Then I curled up in a ball and wished to die.
Since then I have spent a great deal of time hunting for details and looking for answers, I've found a lot of things and ended up with a lot more questions. The bottom line is at no point have I lied to anyone here. Well to anyone anywhere really. If I had been able to wade through and establish absolute truths then I'd have informed you but always I've considered that it is not appropriate for me to be airing dirty laundry if there are people grieving. Now I know that I will never have answers. Whatever the truth is now is of no consequence to me, there has been far too many questions unanswered for that and far too much malicious gossip, innuendo and pain. If Allen is alive then I wish him well but ultimately the truth as I know it is that I would never subject another human being to the kinds of emotional torture that I have been subjected to with regard to this situation. My life, who I am, is not about drama and intrigue. I choose to step out of the long running day time soap and live my life, FOR ME.
If anyone has a problem with how I've handled the situation well I'm sorry for that but other wise as far as I'm concerned this bullshit is not worthy of me and now with clarity I see, that I can walk away
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
The only person being blamed is OLS.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Jeanie, I don't believe that anyone here would even entertain the thought that you purposely or even maliciously lied to us. I think that your name came into the equation simply because of your close friendship with Allen. Lastly you have no need or even reason to apologize to anyone here.
Best wishes,
Peace, Jeanie.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Nicely said.
Jeanie, the thought never came into my mind that you lied or were at fault here somehow. I know better than that.
I'm just so sorry that all this has happened to such a good hearted and kind person that I have always known you to be.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Someone is playing a terrible joke on a lot of people who do not need a horrible joke played on them.
Hail, Hail!!!