fellow Jammer onelongsong..........

sweetpotato

angelica wrote:

double post...and while I'm at it....

your initial post suggested he try to get on under a different identity, which is against board rules...I'm not surprised the moderators deleted that.

:rolleyes: i meant that as a way of getting their attention that he is, in fact, not dead. not to just break rules. and if his "death" was just some stupid joke, then i agree, he doesn't deserve to be on the board at all.

whatever. i don;t really care one way or another. i barely remember him.

angelica

mammasan wrote:

This by far is the strangest post ever on the Moving Train. I was pretty shocked when I heard of Alan's death back in January and was saddened by it. We used to debate back and forth via PMs and he was always someone I greatly enjoyed corresponding with. I hope this is not some cruel joke by someone with access to his e-mail.

Which is more likely? Loved ones of the "deceased" playing a viscious game with his email......

Or, that this "erroneous" information of a death got out on OLS' end...with an intent that is highly questionable?



I was friends with OLS. Finally, one day I had to publicly disagree with him, and call him out for being deceitful to many. His response was to publicly tell me--in direct response to my post-- that he was dying (from my understanding, his first public post to say so). Suddenly 25 people joined the thread and offered him their sympathy!! I was dumbfounded!

I didn't believe he was dying to begin with. And if he was/is, he was using his medical condition to sway debates, which is highly questionable.

FinsburyParkCarrots

decides2dream wrote:

how does one "greatly exaggerate" a death?

It's an allusion to a quotation from Mark Twain.

baraka

angelica wrote:

Which is more likely? Loved ones of the "deceased" playing a viscious game with his email......

Or, that this "erroneous" information of a death got out on OLS' end...with an intent that is highly questionable?



I was friends with OLS. Finally, one day I had to publicly disagree with him, and call him out for being deceitful to many. His response was to publicly tell me--in direct response to my post-- that he was dying (from my understanding, his first public post to say so). Suddenly 25 people joined the thread and offered him their sympathy!! I was dumbfounded!

I didn't believe he was dying to begin with. And if he was/is, he was using his medical condition to sway debates, which is highly questionable.

I agree. I am quite upset about this. I mourned his death. I considered him a friend. Let's not forget a particular poster here that was devastated by the news of his death. We all mourned him. Then he sends an email wanting back on the board? This is very suspicious and I'm afraid the joke's on us.

Cosmo

Is this real? Because... if I recall... this happened before... the whole, 'Near Death' thing.
I hope this is true.. becaue I do not wish death upon anyone... well, except Usama Bin Laden... but, that's because he's an asshole. Anyway... if it turns out to be true... he has more lives than my cat... who only had one life.
...
And look at the bright side... at least he didn't have to kill people trespassing on his property in the impending Global Warming Doom.
...
No... wait... that would be bad... because he would be dead...
okay... now I'm confused.

decides2dream

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

It's an allusion to a quotation from Mark Twain.

that's quite the assumption about OLS.



it is sad how many over the years have felt the need/desire to *cry wolf* here. deaths, attempted suicides, bizaree life stories later disproved, etc. sad. all i can say/think is that if someone is THAT desperate for attention, while upsetting to think one purposely duped a great many of us....i'd say he/she is in GREAt need of attention/validation to go to such lengths to get it.

Cosmo

decides2dream wrote:

that's quite the assumption about OLS.

it is sad how many over the years have felt the need/desire to *cry wolf* here. deaths, attempted suicides, bizaree life stories later disproved, etc. sad. all i can say/think is that if someone is THAT desperate for attention, while upsetting to think one purposely duped a great many of us....i'd say he/she is in GREAt need of attention/validation to go to such lengths to get it.

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The worst is playing the 'Death Card'. I mean, we've all known someone who had died... and even the loss of a beloved pet... it rips at our souls. Pretending to be dead... for what? Sympathy? Attention? Goes to show what a lack of character can do for a person.
...
But.. i'm glad he is still alive. Life is a good thing and should NEVER be taken for granted.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

Is this real? Because... if I recall... this happened before... the whole, 'Near Death' thing.
I hope this is true.. becaue I do not wish death upon anyone... well, except Usama Bin Laden... but, that's because he's an asshole. Anyway... if it turns out to be true... he has more lives than my cat... who only had one life.
...
And look at the bright side... at least he didn't have to kill people trespassing on his property in the impending Global Warming Doom.
...
No... wait... that would be bad... because he would be dead...
okay... now I'm confused.

Ha! Great post ...

decides2dream

Cosmo wrote:

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The worst is playing the 'Death Card'. I mean, we've all known someone who had died... and even the loss of a beloved pet... it rips at our souls. Pretending to be dead... for what? Sympathy? Attention? Goes to show what a lack of character can do for a person.
...
But.. i'm glad he is still alive. Life is a good thing and should NEVER be taken for granted.

complete agreement.


me, i think it's beyond fucked to do so....i'd never mess with karma like that.

Abookamongstthemany

What??????!

I was shocked and quite sad to hear that he had passed....especially knowing that we had often butted heads and had never made amends...

OLS, if you are out there reading this, just know I'm glad to here that you're still with us and believe it or not I have actually miss your posts.

jeffbr

Cosmo wrote:

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The worst is playing the 'Death Card'. I mean, we've all known someone who had died... and even the loss of a beloved pet... it rips at our souls. Pretending to be dead... for what? Sympathy? Attention? Goes to show what a lack of character can do for a person.
...
But.. i'm glad he is still alive. Life is a good thing and should NEVER be taken for granted.

Did he ever send you his medical file? I recall you calling bullshit on this early on (in fact calling bullshit about every one of his stories from being a rock star to being a lawyer to being a fugitive from the feds to tax evading!). He was going to scan and send you some medical reports.

I was shocked when I read Angelica's post this morning. Now I'm coming to the realization that we've been played.

Abookamongstthemany

So has anyone talked to Jeanie about this yet??

This is extremely odd.

angelica

decides2dream wrote:

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

It's an allusion to a quotation from Mark Twain.

that's quite the assumption about OLS.

it is sad how many over the years have felt the need/desire to *cry wolf* here. deaths, attempted suicides, bizaree life stories later disproved, etc. sad. all i can say/think is that if someone is THAT desperate for attention, while upsetting to think one purposely duped a great many of us....i'd say he/she is in GREAt need of attention/validation to go to such lengths to get it.

I agree. The most obnoxious actions come from people in the most amount of pain.

angelica

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So has anyone talked to Jeanie about this yet??

This is extremely odd.

It's still nighttime in the land of Oz...as a matter of fact, it's tomorrow, too...

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

:
I agree. The most obnoxious actions come from people in the most amount of pain.

The trick involves finding a way to support that person and empathize with their pain, without also reinforcing inappropriate behavior. Honestly? It may sound heartless, but this thread should probably be locked and/or deleted. Everyone has a right to receive sympathy and support, but not in this fashion. They are more adaptive ways to get help.

dunkman

angelica wrote:

I know many of you had extensively debated and online-interacted with fellow Jammer onelongsong. In January, Jeanie - his girlfriend - posted the devastating news that he had passed away. I, for one, experienced the mourning of a one-time close friend.


Today I received this email. Two summers ago, Allen (onelongsong) and I had corresponded via email, from the same email address I received this letter from today. The email I received today is entitled "it's really me":

"the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. i came back from brain surgery and coma to find that i'm forever banned because i'm dead and kat won't reinstate me because her not verifying the information would be an embarrassment. i don't know if a 'bring back onelongsong' thread would help; but i miss all my friends on the board. especially now that i'm bedridden and have no one to talk to. i was in a coma when all that went on in early january so i couldn't intervene; and now it's too late. i still read the board but i can't respond. thank you for being good friends.
sincerely
allen
ols"



I thought it was important that all of you who had been touched by his "death" be privy to this information. I am curious what you, my friends, think/feel about this situation. Please share.

strangely enough soulsinging and I used to pm each other about OLS... soulsinging didnt believe any of his stories at all... OLS once threatened to shoot me and send me and my family home in a box if we visited the States..

I like the guy

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

The trick involves finding a way to support that person and empathize with their pain, without also reinforcing inappropriate behavior. Honestly? It may sound heartless, but this thread should probably be locked and/or deleted. Everyone has a right to receive sympathy and support, but not in this fashion. They are more adaptive ways to get help.

I'm here because the truth needs to come out, and accountability be had. We were all given a horrific false impression and we deserve to know the truth. And to express our feelings on such a betrayal. I'm grateful that the mods are letting this thread stay.

There is absolutely no justification or support for this kind of thing. And frankly, I'm definitely not up for compassion either. I mourned Laura's death, ols', and my friends precious 16 year old son's death over a short period. To toy with people in such a way is inexcusable. There is accountability to be had, for sure.

Hopefully ols will find the support and help he needs.

Cosmo

jeffbr wrote:

Did he ever send you his medical file? I recall you calling bullshit on this early on (in fact calling bullshit about every one of his stories from being a rock star to being a lawyer to being a fugitive from the feds to tax evading!). He was going to scan and send you some medical reports.

I was shocked when I read Angelica's post this morning. Now I'm coming to the realization that we've been played.

...
Nothing was ever sent.
And I did have my suspecions... like, aren't you 'Admitted' to an Intensive Care Unit... instead of going down to the hospitals and 'Checking In' to one? I know that 'round here it works that way... you usually arrive (barely consceious, if that) by ambulance with light an sirens and the doctors place the worst cases in there and it is not usually your choice to snag one of those beds.
And his daughter... well, I suppose it Is possible to inheirit your parent's puncutation and grammer... but, it is rare in most cases.
I felt bad because what if he WERE dead? I'd feel terrible... I'd BE terrible. But... there was just... something.

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

I'm here because the truth needs to come out, and accountability be had. We were all given a horrific false impression and we deserve to know the truth. And to express our feelings on such a betrayal. I'm grateful that the mods are letting this thread stay.

There is absolutely no justification or support for this kind of thing. And frankly, I'm definitely not up for compassion either. I mourned Laura's death, ols', and my friends precious 16 year old son's death over a short period. To toy with people in such a way is inexcusable. There is accountability to be had, for sure.

Hopefully ols will find the support and help he needs.

Fair enough. I was just wondering if this very thread was another possible source of drama and negative attention getting ... Obviously this was not your intent. I agree, though, people deserve to know the truth.

angelica

Cosmo wrote:

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I felt bad because what if he WERE dead? I'd feel terrible... I'd BE terrible. But... there was just... something.

This is why I took his death seriously. It's about respect. And the idea that someone would toy with our emotions in such a way is so ludicrous.

Ultimately, to act in such a manner is clearly about the person who does it.