again, what option will hamas use besides violence?
the borders changed after a war that was brought onto Israel in 1967. going back to those exact borders will not happen. Israel is not going to give up Jerusalem. the best that will happen is a shared capital
I've posted countless times on this message board explaining how the 1967 war was started by Israel. I've provided links to sources that describe this in detail. The Israelis themselves even admit that they began the 1967 war.
It's obviously a complete waste of time discussing anything with you as you clearly only believe what you want to believe and dismiss anything else out of hand. Debating anything with you is just pissing in the wind.
"We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him (Nasser) .” -- Former Israeli PM Menahem Begin.
"Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The New York Times, May 11, 1997.
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
a legitimate resistance movement ??? o thats nice. are you blind? how has this legitimate resistance movement helped the Palestinian people? please tell me.
John Dugard, the UN human rights envoy for the Palestinian Territories...
'...It is a backdrop which makes him pessimistic about the major US-sponsored peace conference between Israel and the Palestinians, expected to be held next month.
Mr Dugard said he saw a greater danger - that of the Palestinian Authority raising expectations too high in the Palestinian community.
"If those expectations are not met, I fear there may be serious consequences," he added.
The consequences include the possibility of a third "intifada", a large-scale, violent uprising against the Israelis, he said.
Mr Dugard said this should be no surprise.
"Inevitably in a military occupation, there are likely to be those engaged in resistance."
These people may be labelled terrorists, Mr Dugard added, but history treats them differently.
He cited the example of the French Resistance during World War II, and those in Namibia who fought occupation by South Africa.
"Now," he said, "they are in government and treated as heroes."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Nice to see ppl interested in this situation at the middle east..
I'm from Israel and I hear about soldiers and Palestinians getting hurt every day, shootings and missiles flying all over the place, that luckily- they usually don't take ppl's life and only cause damage..
Im sorry to tall you that I dont think anyone can really understand any side of the issue if your not in it.
ppl have tried [and r still trying] to find a solution for both sides but I can't even describe how hard it must be..
I edmit we have a crapy goverment, but the situation in Gaza is not "Israel taking over", it's Israel trying to lessen Hamas' strength because they just can't seem to stop shooting missiles at us..(and im sorry but i don't see the "illegal occupation" some people see in that)
What can the goverment/army possibly try to do after talking to them is clearly out of the question? and when our troopes are still in captive?
when ppl see all this they look at it as if Israel is not willing to delegate and deliberate..
We're trying to get the band to come here [not just Israel, any place in the middle east will do:)] do you think a band like Pearl Jam would look at this whole situation and say [in other words:] "Ah, no thank u.."? or that they will be willing anough to try..?
There is no other band who has given me more inspiration and happines in the intire world and i hope i will have enough money to fly and see them abroad..
thanks, if anyone has read this and Im very sorry for the spelling:)
you don't even bother responding to what he copies and pastes atleast. the reason he does that is because if he just said it himself you would ask for proof. So he just puts it from the beginning. And yet you just ignore the point of the post, and attack him... you can do better than that.
I edmit we have a crapy goverment, but the situation in Gaza is not "Israel taking over", it's Israel trying to lessen Hamas' strength because they just can't seem to stop shooting missiles at us..(and im sorry but i don't see the "illegal occupation" some people see in that)
What can the goverment/army possibly try to do after talking to them is clearly out of the question? and when our troopes are still in captive?
Yeah, your government is the victim. They don't have thousands of innocent people jailed, half of which don't even have charges against them, and many of which are children.
You say you can't really understand the situation unless you are in it, but I think that maybe you've been fed too much propaganda.
when ppl see all this they look at it as if Israel is not willing to delegate and deliberate..
Well, there's been proof of that over the past 60 years or so.
i'm really sorry you think that.. im not fed BS, but i respect your opinion..
non the less i don't think you [or i for that matter] will do a better job on finding a solution that will fit both sides [and i'm sure you know, one of the main problem is that Hamas is not willing to acknowledge Israel].
i'm really sorry you think that.. im not fed BS, but i respect your opinion..
non the less i don't think you [or i for that matter] will do a better job on finding a solution that will fit both sides [and i'm sure you know, one of the main problem is that Hamas is not willing to acknowledge Israel].
welcome to the forum. be prepared to have alot of insults thrown your way. they are many people on this board who have all out hatred for you and your country.
while I think Israel has done some very bad things to the Palestinians, I firmly believe it is hamas, and hamas alone, who are preventing peace.
I hope you continue on this discussion, but like I said, be prepared for some nasty things aimed directly at you.
For the second, please try to remember that Hamas have been democratically elected by the Palestinian people.
Just because Hamas was democratically elected, doesn't mean Israel or the US is obligated to deal with them. How they were elected is irrelevant. They still refuse to recognise Israel, still attack Israel, and still have no interest in peace with Israel.
Why would you attempt to talk with these people when they have no interest in talking and Israel is holding all the cards? At least with Fateh, they can be reasoned with. And no, they are NOT a puppet of Israel. They still represent a sizable chunk of Palestinian people, and it is possible that if a compromise can be reached with them, the majority of Palestine will agree to some extent.
Reality check. It's a catch 22. One exists because the other fuels it.
Both sides. Everyone has hand their hand in the cookie jar repeatedly. One is seen as occupying, and in cahoots with the Us and the UK. The other is seen as "combative" or "terrorist"..
Given the track record of the US and the UK with regards to other countries and shifting power to favors.
Pretty easy to formulate the foot in the other shoe.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Reality check. It's a catch 22. One exists because the other fuels it.
Both sides. Everyone has hand their hand in the cookie jar repeatedly. One is seen as occupying, and in cahoots with the Us and the UK. The other is seen as "combative" or "terrorist"..
Given the track record of the US and the UK with regards to other countries and shifting power to favors.
Pretty easy to formulate the foot in the other shoe.
here's a reality check. consider the people involved. consider the land being fought over. you mentioned neither.
here's a reality check. consider the people involved. consider the land being fought over. you mentioned neither.
It's already known who is involved and where. One side is not innocent. No such thing.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the situation in Gaza is not "Israel taking over", it's Israel trying to lessen Hamas' strength because they just can't seem to stop shooting missiles at us..(and im sorry but i don't see the "illegal occupation" some people see in that)
Firstly, welcome to the board.
Secondly, the illegal occupation is the central issue here. Until you withdraw to the internationally recognized borders then you can't be surprised that the Palestinians are going to resist by any means at their disposal.
they are many people on this board who have all out hatred for you and your country.
This is pure horseshit.
Vedjam. Nobody on this board that I've ever encountered has '...all out hatred for you and your country'.
There are many people on this board who feel disgusted at the blatent hypocrisy and the crimes being committed by, both the Israeli and U.S governments, however.
Jlew is one of a few people on this board with nothing productive to add to the debate, other than that Hamas - or whoever else happens to be the current Palestinian whipping boys at the time - are the guilty ones in all of this.
To say that Hamas is preventing peace is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I suppose that in Jlew's view of the world, it was the French resistance who were preventing peace during the Nazi occupation..
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
They still refuse to recognise Israel, still attack Israel, and still have no interest in peace with Israel.
They have every right to refuse to recognise Israel as long as Israel continues the occupation. To say they recognise Israel is tantamount to saying that they recognise Israel in it's current form - settlements and all.
Secondly, they have every right to attack Israel. It's a valid resistance against a brutal occupation.
Thirdly, how do you know Hamas isn't interested in peace with Israel? Israel refuses to negotiate with them. Until they do, your comment is groundless.
Still, a nice display of flatulence there.
Thanks!
I hope this is accurate. I've never actually read it before
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild:
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's
Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge
of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I hope this is accurate. I've never actually read it before
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild:
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's
Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge
of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
'...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...'
'...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...'
Yea, it seems Arthur's heart was in the right place, but maybe he was a bit naive about group behavior.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This is pure horseshit.
Vedjam. Nobody on this board that I've ever encountered has '...all out hatred for you and your country'.
There are many people on this board who feel disgusted at the blatent hypocrisy and the crimes being committed by your Government, however.
Jlew is one of a few people on this board with nothing productive to add to the debate, other than that Hamas - or whoever else happens to be the current Palestinian whipping boys at the time - are the guilty ones in all of this.
To say that Hamas is preventing peace is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I suppose that in Jlew's view of the world, it was the French resistance who were preventing peace during the Nazi occupation..
yup, you have it right. Hamas is the party preventing peace. they will not rescongize Israel, renounce violence, or take "destruction of Israel" from their charter.
you keep crying about this illegal occupation. Israel is not going to go back to the 1967 borders. that would mean they would give up jerusalem. that isnt going to happen. a war happened in 1967 and the borders changed.
so guess what, both sides are going to have to compromise. in this matter you seem to have no idea what this words means.....its 1967 borders or death.
and its so nice of you to be so friendly to the jewish guy. hopefully he'll stick around this board long enough (or search yours posts) to see how you really feel.
you keep crying about this illegal occupation. Israel is not going to go back to the 1967 borders. that would mean they would give up jerusalem.
It wouldn't mean giving up Jerusalem at all. Again, you're just spouting shit. Jerusalem was already divided in 1967. http://www.iris.org.il/borders.htm
and its so nice of you to be so friendly to the jewish guy. hopefully he'll stick around this board long enough (or search yours posts) to see how you really feel.
Feel free to provide just one example of my '...all out hatred for Vedjam and his country'
It wouldn't mean giving up Jerusalem at all. Again, you're just spouting shit. Jerusalem was already divided in 1967. http://www.iris.org.il/borders.htm
it would give up east jerusalem. a split is possible, but again that can only happen if they sit and talk about it. firing rockets from gaza wont accomplish anything. amazing to me why you and hamas cant come to terms with that.
to take a que from you, I thought this was a good article written in 2000.....seems a little hawkish, but some of the settlements are permanent. changed hands after a lost war.
Sorry folks, you're a little late. We kept the territories empty for you, but you procrastinated. Today there is no way for us to tell the 20,000 residents of Ma'ale Adumim, for example, a burgeoning city east of Jerusalem, to pack up and leave. Forget it! Disbanding some settlements — probably the smaller, remote ones — may be a possibility. But not much more.
The question is whether the Palestinians will today insist on clinging to that zero sum game, which has only brought them losses and disasters, or adopt a more pragmatic approach, realizing that what was feasible yesterday is unfortunately not possible today. Trying to force our hand through another round of bloodshed will lead to nothing except more waste of lives. It never worked in the past, and it won't work today.
Comments
I've posted countless times on this message board explaining how the 1967 war was started by Israel. I've provided links to sources that describe this in detail. The Israelis themselves even admit that they began the 1967 war.
It's obviously a complete waste of time discussing anything with you as you clearly only believe what you want to believe and dismiss anything else out of hand. Debating anything with you is just pissing in the wind.
Who started the 1967 Six-Day War?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=10259
"We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him (Nasser) .” -- Former Israeli PM Menahem Begin.
"Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The New York Times, May 11, 1997.
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
I'll allow this article to answer your question.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7044069.stm
John Dugard, the UN human rights envoy for the Palestinian Territories...
'...It is a backdrop which makes him pessimistic about the major US-sponsored peace conference between Israel and the Palestinians, expected to be held next month.
Mr Dugard said he saw a greater danger - that of the Palestinian Authority raising expectations too high in the Palestinian community.
"If those expectations are not met, I fear there may be serious consequences," he added.
The consequences include the possibility of a third "intifada", a large-scale, violent uprising against the Israelis, he said.
Mr Dugard said this should be no surprise.
"Inevitably in a military occupation, there are likely to be those engaged in resistance."
These people may be labelled terrorists, Mr Dugard added, but history treats them differently.
He cited the example of the French Resistance during World War II, and those in Namibia who fought occupation by South Africa.
"Now," he said, "they are in government and treated as heroes."
http://www.cpt.org/archives/signs/2006/images/winter06cL.jpg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Yeah, but that soldiers the victim according to people like Jlew.
typical. do you have a brain?
right click copy.....right click paste
yup, people like me. people like me who are ready for the violence to stop. then there are people like you, who dont.
odd
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Again isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black. It's guff to you because it doesn't fit your narrow minded view of the world.
I'm from Israel and I hear about soldiers and Palestinians getting hurt every day, shootings and missiles flying all over the place, that luckily- they usually don't take ppl's life and only cause damage..
Im sorry to tall you that I dont think anyone can really understand any side of the issue if your not in it.
ppl have tried [and r still trying] to find a solution for both sides but I can't even describe how hard it must be..
I edmit we have a crapy goverment, but the situation in Gaza is not "Israel taking over", it's Israel trying to lessen Hamas' strength because they just can't seem to stop shooting missiles at us..(and im sorry but i don't see the "illegal occupation" some people see in that)
What can the goverment/army possibly try to do after talking to them is clearly out of the question? and when our troopes are still in captive?
when ppl see all this they look at it as if Israel is not willing to delegate and deliberate..
We're trying to get the band to come here [not just Israel, any place in the middle east will do:)] do you think a band like Pearl Jam would look at this whole situation and say [in other words:] "Ah, no thank u.."? or that they will be willing anough to try..?
There is no other band who has given me more inspiration and happines in the intire world and i hope i will have enough money to fly and see them abroad..
thanks, if anyone has read this and Im very sorry for the spelling:)
so.. what do u think?
lol.
you don't even bother responding to what he copies and pastes atleast. the reason he does that is because if he just said it himself you would ask for proof. So he just puts it from the beginning. And yet you just ignore the point of the post, and attack him... you can do better than that.
Yeah, your government is the victim. They don't have thousands of innocent people jailed, half of which don't even have charges against them, and many of which are children.
You say you can't really understand the situation unless you are in it, but I think that maybe you've been fed too much propaganda.
Well, there's been proof of that over the past 60 years or so.
non the less i don't think you [or i for that matter] will do a better job on finding a solution that will fit both sides [and i'm sure you know, one of the main problem is that Hamas is not willing to acknowledge Israel].
welcome to the forum. be prepared to have alot of insults thrown your way. they are many people on this board who have all out hatred for you and your country.
while I think Israel has done some very bad things to the Palestinians, I firmly believe it is hamas, and hamas alone, who are preventing peace.
I hope you continue on this discussion, but like I said, be prepared for some nasty things aimed directly at you.
i didn't mean to sound so innocent..
just loved the band and tried to share=].. but its nice of ppl to care, weather they like me or not i don't mind.
i hope u see me as a fellow fan and not as "the Israeli"
peace to you all..
Just because Hamas was democratically elected, doesn't mean Israel or the US is obligated to deal with them. How they were elected is irrelevant. They still refuse to recognise Israel, still attack Israel, and still have no interest in peace with Israel.
Why would you attempt to talk with these people when they have no interest in talking and Israel is holding all the cards? At least with Fateh, they can be reasoned with. And no, they are NOT a puppet of Israel. They still represent a sizable chunk of Palestinian people, and it is possible that if a compromise can be reached with them, the majority of Palestine will agree to some extent.
Both sides. Everyone has hand their hand in the cookie jar repeatedly. One is seen as occupying, and in cahoots with the Us and the UK. The other is seen as "combative" or "terrorist"..
Given the track record of the US and the UK with regards to other countries and shifting power to favors.
Pretty easy to formulate the foot in the other shoe.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
here's a reality check. consider the people involved. consider the land being fought over. you mentioned neither.
It's already known who is involved and where. One side is not innocent. No such thing.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Nice way of ignoring the post, as per usual.
It was just pure guff. Simple.
Firstly, welcome to the board.
Secondly, the illegal occupation is the central issue here. Until you withdraw to the internationally recognized borders then you can't be surprised that the Palestinians are going to resist by any means at their disposal.
This is pure horseshit.
Vedjam. Nobody on this board that I've ever encountered has '...all out hatred for you and your country'.
There are many people on this board who feel disgusted at the blatent hypocrisy and the crimes being committed by, both the Israeli and U.S governments, however.
Jlew is one of a few people on this board with nothing productive to add to the debate, other than that Hamas - or whoever else happens to be the current Palestinian whipping boys at the time - are the guilty ones in all of this.
To say that Hamas is preventing peace is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
I suppose that in Jlew's view of the world, it was the French resistance who were preventing peace during the Nazi occupation..
They have every right to refuse to recognise Israel as long as Israel continues the occupation. To say they recognise Israel is tantamount to saying that they recognise Israel in it's current form - settlements and all.
Secondly, they have every right to attack Israel. It's a valid resistance against a brutal occupation.
Thirdly, how do you know Hamas isn't interested in peace with Israel? Israel refuses to negotiate with them. Until they do, your comment is groundless.
Still, a nice display of flatulence there.
Thanks!
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild:
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's
Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge
of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
'...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...'
Yea, it seems Arthur's heart was in the right place, but maybe he was a bit naive about group behavior.
yup, you have it right. Hamas is the party preventing peace. they will not rescongize Israel, renounce violence, or take "destruction of Israel" from their charter.
you keep crying about this illegal occupation. Israel is not going to go back to the 1967 borders. that would mean they would give up jerusalem. that isnt going to happen. a war happened in 1967 and the borders changed.
so guess what, both sides are going to have to compromise. in this matter you seem to have no idea what this words means.....its 1967 borders or death.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/compromise
they can only come to a compromise if they talk.
and its so nice of you to be so friendly to the jewish guy. hopefully he'll stick around this board long enough (or search yours posts) to see how you really feel.
It wouldn't mean giving up Jerusalem at all. Again, you're just spouting shit. Jerusalem was already divided in 1967.
http://www.iris.org.il/borders.htm
Feel free to provide just one example of my '...all out hatred for Vedjam and his country'
I'm still waiting Jlew. :rolleyes:
to take a que from you, I thought this was a good article written in 2000.....seems a little hawkish, but some of the settlements are permanent. changed hands after a lost war.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/06/27/eduri.t.php
Sorry folks, you're a little late. We kept the territories empty for you, but you procrastinated. Today there is no way for us to tell the 20,000 residents of Ma'ale Adumim, for example, a burgeoning city east of Jerusalem, to pack up and leave. Forget it! Disbanding some settlements — probably the smaller, remote ones — may be a possibility. But not much more.
The question is whether the Palestinians will today insist on clinging to that zero sum game, which has only brought them losses and disasters, or adopt a more pragmatic approach, realizing that what was feasible yesterday is unfortunately not possible today. Trying to force our hand through another round of bloodshed will lead to nothing except more waste of lives. It never worked in the past, and it won't work today.
he's a big boy, he can do his own research on you.