Venezuela's Chavez may take over schools

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

...and it's very naive of you to think that this boils down to a socialist vs capitalist point of view.

Yes I'm very naive, I have absolutely no idea. Thank you for enlightening me.

Whatever, I'm done, there no use...

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

¿What do you mean by disparate economy? What upper crost I hold in such high regard? I've always been very critical about many of the members of the opposition. I think you've got me totally wrong. I'm not rich and I've never been. I come from a very hard working familiy and I'd like to think I'm following my parent's example in my field (poverty reduction and democratic governance). Nevertheless, I'm fully aware that I was very lucky 'cause I was born in a middle class family, I don't take it for granted at all.

You are just reading what you want to in my posts. I'm all for an improvement of Venezuela's public education. That's where Chavez' energy, monetary resources and proposals should focus. I'm advocating for the same thing. That's why I find useless to impose a very flawed system to the private schools, that's will lower the standards intsead of raising them. I want public schools in Venezuela and everywhere, for that matter, to improve.

Why am I not currently living in Venezuela? Well, for plenty of reasons that are none of your business. About my work, I fully believe in the organization I work for: the UN.

I'm gonna go out on a limp and state that prior to Chavez you knew nothing about Venezuela, yet you defend it so vehemently. Why don't you go and work at one of the Misiones? How dare you critize me for not working in a grassroot organization in Venezuela? I've always been respectful.

Maybe I've taken liberties in my view of how you were raised by, but this is how I get to know where you're coming from. And you're doing the same in return.
I am not defending Chavez. I am defending the right of Venezuelans to choose their own path, as Venezuelans. I'm thinking Chavez may have more of an understanding on how this works than he is given credit for.
You are thinking in the small, you are thinking in immediate results. I understand that the Bolivarian education system now is one strongly focused of Patriotism, unity and of grass roots organization. It is vital that Venezuela be united, is it not? The political divisions you speak of are not of Chavez's doing, but of the Old Money trying desperately to maintain control. They want to maintain that control so badly they will do and say anything they think will put a chink in the armor of a new Venezuela becoming.

Now I'll take another liberty in getting to understand you.
I'm sensing some monotheistic influence in your being.
Am I correct?

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Yes I'm very naive, I have absolutely no idea. Thank you for enlightening me.

Whatever, I'm done, there no use...

Caterina, you are so transparently "anti-chavez." You take that attitude as though I am a die-hard chavez supporter, and that defeats you.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Maybe I've taken liberties in my view of how you were raised by, but this is how I get to know where you're coming from. And you're doing the same in return.
I am not defending Chavez. I am defending the right of Venezuelans to choose their own path, as Venezuelans. I'm thinking Chavez may have more of an understanding on how this works than he is given credit for.
You are thinking in the small, you are thinking in immediate results. I understand that the Bolivarian education system now is one strongly focused of Patriotism, unity and of grass roots organization. It is vital that Venezuela be united, is it not? The political divisions you speak of are not of Chavez's doing, but of the Old Money trying desperately to maintain control. They want to maintain that control so badly they will do and say anything they think will put a chink in the armor of a new Venezuela becoming.

Now I'll take another liberty in getting to understand you.
I'm sensing some monotheistic influence in your being.
Am I correct?

Wrong again

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Wrong again

Cool.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

Caterina, you are so transparently "anti-chavez." You take that attitude as though I am a die-hard chavez supporter, and that defeats you.

but you are supporting what Chavez is doing regarding taking over the school system, correct?

gue_barium

Just so you know.
I'm well aware there isn't enough oil to produce the revenue of what Chavez wants to accomplish in his vision for the next hundred years. I'm also aware that Chavez has been somewhat careless in his dealings with the banks.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

but you are supporting what Chavez is doing regarding taking over the school system, correct?

I think Caterina is wrong that it will dilute the potential of the academia.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I think Caterina is wrong that it will dilute the potential of the academia.

why? seems you dont have a clear understanding as to what chavez is doing. caterina does.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

Caterina, you are so transparently "anti-chavez." You take that attitude as though I am a die-hard chavez supporter, and that defeats you.

I'm not defeated, I only get defeated on tennis courts. I'm only slighlty bothered by you treating me as naive, spoiled-rich-brat, unrational-montheist, etc, etc. Have I ever tried to hide my dislike for Chavez? Didn't think so.

Actually I don't think it is your business, but these are some facts about me: I'm a secular, 34 yeard old economist with a Mg. in Economics and Public Policy. I'm a non practicing-Catholic married to a non-practicing Jew. I have no political affiliation whatsoever, although I consider myself a social-democrat. With strong emphasis in the democrat part.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

why? seems you dont have a clear understanding as to what chavez is doing. caterina does.

I think he is trying to unify Venezuela. Maybe he's going about it in a belligerent way, but he's a politician. What do you expect?

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

I'm not defeated, I only get defeated on tennis courts. I'm only slighlty bothered by you treating me as naive, spoiled-rich-brat, unrational-montheist, etc, etc. Have I ever tried to hide my dislike for Chavez? Didn't think so.

Actually I don't think it is your business, but these are some facts about me: I'm a secular, 34 yeard old economist with a Mg. in Economics and Public Policy. I'm a non practicing-Catholic married to a non-practicing Jew. I have no political affiliation whatsoever, although I consider myself a social-democrat. With strong emphasis in the democrat part.

I wasn't aiming to dislike you. I appreciate your insights from that part of the world, I do.

Your politics leave something to be desired, to me. But, more the opportunity for good debate.
Now don't you go disappearing.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I think he is trying to unify Venezuela. Maybe he's going about it in a belligerent way, but he's a politician. What do you expect?

so why support a belligerent politician?

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

so why support a belligerent politician?

Hmmm. There ya go again. I don't vote in Venezuela, so any "support" you see is perceived only by you.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

Hmmm. There ya go again. I don't vote in Venezuela, so any "support" you see is perceived only by you.

no, its perceived in your posts.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

I wasn't aiming to dislike you. I appreciate your insights from that part of the world, I do.

Your politics leave something to be desired, to me. But, more the opportunity for good debate.
Now don't you go disappearing.

If you're not aiming to me disliking you, perhaps you could try to be more respectul and stop making assumptions about me.

My politics leave something to be desired??? This is funny, I gotta admit.

I don't agree with you, yet I don't think there's nothing to be desired about your politics. You're fully entitled to believe whatever you want to. Anyway, it would be good for you to go to Venezuela and see for yourself. You'll find that plenty of what you read it's not that accurate, especially in the unifying deparment. The polarization of Venezuela's society has reached unparalleled levels. There's consesus about this among sociologist, political scientists, regardless of their ideology. Where did you get that he was trying to unite the country? He's doing quite the opposite and in a very succesful way, I might add. Go and visit Caracas and you'll see how an entire city is divided in "for/against". Neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, sports clubs, shopping malls, everything even taxis!!!!!

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

If you're not aiming to me disliking you, perhaps you could try to be more respectul and stop making assumptions about me.

My politics leave something to be desired??? This is funny, I gotta admit.

I don't agree with you, yet I don't think there's nothing to be desired about your politics. You're fully entitled to believe whatever you want to. Anyway, it would be good for you to go to Venezuela and see for yourself. You'll find that plenty of what you read it's not that accurate, especially in the unifying deparment. The polarization of Venezuela's society has reached unparalleled levels. There's consesus about this among sociologist, political scientists, regardless of their ideology. Where did you get that he was trying to unite the country? He's doing quite the opposite and in a very succesful way, I might add. Go and visit Caracas and you'll see how an entire city is divided in "for/against". Neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, sports clubs, shopping malls, everything even taxis!!!!!

My politics are pretty much humanist-based.
We probably disagree on what is polarizing Venezuela (you: Chavez; me: the School of Old Money), however, i prefer to look at what is unifying Venezuela as well. The Venezuelans themselves.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

My politics are pretty much humanist-based.
We probably disagree on what is polarizing Venezuela (you: Chavez; me: the School of Old Money), however, i prefer to look at what is unifying Venezuela as well. The Venezuelans themselves.

amazing to me how you really dont get it.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

no, its perceived in your posts.

If you stated that correctly it would say,
"Gue, no, your support of Chavez is conveyed in your posts."

And to that I would say, "well, jlew, you have an interesting perspective on this matter. What again is the subject of this topic? Is it the outing of Chavez supporters? or is it about the intent of Venezuela's education system?"

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

amazing to me how you really dont get it.

Get what, Jlew?

My best guess would be that you're thinking in terms of Good vs. Evil.
Correct me if I'm wrong.