Well, see, now you're suggesting they wouldn't be teaching the basics. That's just preposterous BS.
???????????????? Did we have a communication breakdown?
I was stating that education should be more comprehensive than what Chavez is proposing. The Bolivarian system has shown extremely poor results and yet since it fits their ideological agenda they want to make it mandadoty for all schools. That's my problem! I think public schooling should be significantly improved, otherwise how can one reduce inequalities?
I said I don't mind if they teach Marxism as long as they teach Capitalism. That's what I was trying to convey, you have to provide more, not fewer options.
???????????????? Did we have a communication breakdown?
I was stating that education should be more comprehensive than what Chavez is proposing. The Bolivarian system has shown extremely poor results and yet since it fits their ideological agenda they want to make it mandadoty for all schools. That's my problem! I think public schooling should be significantly improved, otherwise how can one reduce inequalities?
I said I don't mind if they teach Marxism as long as they teach Capitalism. That's what I was trying to convey, you have to provide more, not fewer options.
exactly what I'm trying to prove here. thank you Caterina
you think 10 year olds need to learn about the complexities of different forms of government? I cant help that the school you went to sucked.
I was taught to understand what communism and socialism are. not forced to follow it. like chavez is doing.
dont worry about it
that's the point... why should 10 year old venezuelan kids be taught very early about government complexities. sounds to me like it's just rah rah patriotism like what we have. we celebrate thanksgiving and columbus day and say the pledge and learn that anyone with a dream can pursue it, they celebrate revolutionaries and learn in their society that everyone is equal. doesn't seem outrageous to me.
sounds to me like it's just rah rah patriotism like what we have. we celebrate thanksgiving and columbus day and say the pledge and learn that anyone with a dream can pursue it, they celebrate revolutionaries and learn in their society that everyone is equal. doesn't seem outrageous to me.
we arent only taught way thing. one way of learning. they are.
I mght be going out on a limb here but I dont see chavez teaching about capitalism and free choices.
???????????????? Did we have a communication breakdown?
I was stating that education should be more comprehensive than what Chavez is proposing. The Bolivarian system has shown extremely poor results and yet since it fits their ideological agenda they want to make it mandadoty for all schools. That's my problem! I think public schooling should be significantly improved, otherwise how can one reduce inequalities?
I said I don't mind if they teach Marxism as long as they teach Capitalism. That's what I was trying to convey, you have to provide more, not fewer options.
How many years did it take for Venezuela to become one of the most disparate economic systems in the free world? That upper crust you hold in such high regard, and which you are from has no interest in raising the standard of living and education in that country. If you are so concerned about it, why aren't you there enjoined in the grassroots organizations that are taking place now like never before? Chavez is allowing this sort of organization among the poor that was never given a chance before, screw the Institutions of control you hold in such esteem. They failed Venezuela miserably, and there is no need to bring them back again now.
???????????????? Did we have a communication breakdown?
I was stating that education should be more comprehensive than what Chavez is proposing. The Bolivarian system has shown extremely poor results and yet since it fits their ideological agenda they want to make it mandadoty for all schools. That's my problem! I think public schooling should be significantly improved, otherwise how can one reduce inequalities?
I said I don't mind if they teach Marxism as long as they teach Capitalism. That's what I was trying to convey, you have to provide more, not fewer options.
...and it's very naive of you to think that this boils down to a socialist vs capitalist point of view.
How many years did it take for Venezuela to become one of the most disparate economic systems in the free world? That upper crust you hold in such high regard, and which you are from has no interest in raising the standard of living and education in that country. If you are so concerned about it, why aren't you there enjoined in the grassroots organizations that are taking place now like never before? Chavez is allowing this sort of orginization among the poor that was never given a chance before, screw the Institutions of control you hold in such esteem. They failed Venezuela miserably, and there is no need to bring them back again now.
¿What do you mean by disparate economy? What upper crost I hold in such high regard? I've always been very critical about many of the members of the opposition. I think you've got me totally wrong. I'm not rich and I've never been. I come from a very hard working familiy and I'd like to think I'm following my parent's example in my field (poverty reduction and democratic governance). Nevertheless, I'm fully aware that I was very lucky 'cause I was born in a middle class family, I don't take it for granted at all.
You are just reading what you want to in my posts. I'm all for an improvement of Venezuela's public education. That's where Chavez' energy, monetary resources and proposals should focus. I'm advocating for the same thing. That's why I find useless to impose a very flawed system to the private schools, that's will lower the standards intsead of raising them. I want public schools in Venezuela and everywhere, for that matter, to improve.
Why am I not currently living in Venezuela? Well, for plenty of reasons that are none of your business. About my work, I fully believe in the organization I work for: the UN.
I'm gonna go out on a limp and state that prior to Chavez you knew nothing about Venezuela, yet you defend it so vehemently. Why don't you go and work at one of the Misiones? How dare you critize me for not working in a grassroot organization in Venezuela? I've always been respectful.
¿What do you mean by disparate economy? What upper crost I hold in such high regard? I've always been very critical about many of the members of the opposition. I think you've got me totally wrong. I'm not rich and I've never been. I come from a very hard working familiy and I'd like to think I'm following my parent's example in my field (poverty reduction and democratic governance). Nevertheless, I'm fully aware that I was very lucky 'cause I was born in a middle class family, I don't take it for granted at all.
You are just reading what you want to in my posts. I'm all for an improvement of Venezuela's public education. That's where Chavez' energy, monetary resources and proposals should focus. I'm advocating for the same thing. That's why I find useless to impose a very flawed system to the private schools, that's will lower the standards intsead of raising them. I want public schools in Venezuela and everywhere, for that matter, to improve.
Why am I not currently living in Venezuela? Well, for plenty of reasons that are none of your business. About my work, I fully believe in the organization I work for: the UN.
I'm gonna go out on a limp and state that prior to Chavez you knew nothing about Venezuela, yet you defend it so vehemently. Why don't you go and work at one of the Misiones? How dare you critize me for not working in a grassroot organization in Venezuela? I've always been respectful.
Maybe I've taken liberties in my view of how you were raised by, but this is how I get to know where you're coming from. And you're doing the same in return.
I am not defending Chavez. I am defending the right of Venezuelans to choose their own path, as Venezuelans. I'm thinking Chavez may have more of an understanding on how this works than he is given credit for.
You are thinking in the small, you are thinking in immediate results. I understand that the Bolivarian education system now is one strongly focused of Patriotism, unity and of grass roots organization. It is vital that Venezuela be united, is it not? The political divisions you speak of are not of Chavez's doing, but of the Old Money trying desperately to maintain control. They want to maintain that control so badly they will do and say anything they think will put a chink in the armor of a new Venezuela becoming.
Now I'll take another liberty in getting to understand you.
I'm sensing some monotheistic influence in your being.
Am I correct?
Maybe I've taken liberties in my view of how you were raised by, but this is how I get to know where you're coming from. And you're doing the same in return.
I am not defending Chavez. I am defending the right of Venezuelans to choose their own path, as Venezuelans. I'm thinking Chavez may have more of an understanding on how this works than he is given credit for.
You are thinking in the small, you are thinking in immediate results. I understand that the Bolivarian education system now is one strongly focused of Patriotism, unity and of grass roots organization. It is vital that Venezuela be united, is it not? The political divisions you speak of are not of Chavez's doing, but of the Old Money trying desperately to maintain control. They want to maintain that control so badly they will do and say anything they think will put a chink in the armor of a new Venezuela becoming.
Now I'll take another liberty in getting to understand you.
I'm sensing some monotheistic influence in your being.
Am I correct?
Just so you know.
I'm well aware there isn't enough oil to produce the revenue of what Chavez wants to accomplish in his vision for the next hundred years. I'm also aware that Chavez has been somewhat careless in his dealings with the banks.
Caterina, you are so transparently "anti-chavez." You take that attitude as though I am a die-hard chavez supporter, and that defeats you.
I'm not defeated, I only get defeated on tennis courts. I'm only slighlty bothered by you treating me as naive, spoiled-rich-brat, unrational-montheist, etc, etc. Have I ever tried to hide my dislike for Chavez? Didn't think so.
Actually I don't think it is your business, but these are some facts about me: I'm a secular, 34 yeard old economist with a Mg. in Economics and Public Policy. I'm a non practicing-Catholic married to a non-practicing Jew. I have no political affiliation whatsoever, although I consider myself a social-democrat. With strong emphasis in the democrat part.
I'm not defeated, I only get defeated on tennis courts. I'm only slighlty bothered by you treating me as naive, spoiled-rich-brat, unrational-montheist, etc, etc. Have I ever tried to hide my dislike for Chavez? Didn't think so.
Actually I don't think it is your business, but these are some facts about me: I'm a secular, 34 yeard old economist with a Mg. in Economics and Public Policy. I'm a non practicing-Catholic married to a non-practicing Jew. I have no political affiliation whatsoever, although I consider myself a social-democrat. With strong emphasis in the democrat part.
I wasn't aiming to dislike you. I appreciate your insights from that part of the world, I do.
Your politics leave something to be desired, to me. But, more the opportunity for good debate.
Now don't you go disappearing.
I wasn't aiming to dislike you. I appreciate your insights from that part of the world, I do.
Your politics leave something to be desired, to me. But, more the opportunity for good debate.
Now don't you go disappearing.
If you're not aiming to me disliking you, perhaps you could try to be more respectul and stop making assumptions about me.
My politics leave something to be desired??? This is funny, I gotta admit.
I don't agree with you, yet I don't think there's nothing to be desired about your politics. You're fully entitled to believe whatever you want to. Anyway, it would be good for you to go to Venezuela and see for yourself. You'll find that plenty of what you read it's not that accurate, especially in the unifying deparment. The polarization of Venezuela's society has reached unparalleled levels. There's consesus about this among sociologist, political scientists, regardless of their ideology. Where did you get that he was trying to unite the country? He's doing quite the opposite and in a very succesful way, I might add. Go and visit Caracas and you'll see how an entire city is divided in "for/against". Neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, sports clubs, shopping malls, everything even taxis!!!!!
If you're not aiming to me disliking you, perhaps you could try to be more respectul and stop making assumptions about me.
My politics leave something to be desired??? This is funny, I gotta admit.
I don't agree with you, yet I don't think there's nothing to be desired about your politics. You're fully entitled to believe whatever you want to. Anyway, it would be good for you to go to Venezuela and see for yourself. You'll find that plenty of what you read it's not that accurate, especially in the unifying deparment. The polarization of Venezuela's society has reached unparalleled levels. There's consesus about this among sociologist, political scientists, regardless of their ideology. Where did you get that he was trying to unite the country? He's doing quite the opposite and in a very succesful way, I might add. Go and visit Caracas and you'll see how an entire city is divided in "for/against". Neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, sports clubs, shopping malls, everything even taxis!!!!!
My politics are pretty much humanist-based.
We probably disagree on what is polarizing Venezuela (you: Chavez; me: the School of Old Money), however, i prefer to look at what is unifying Venezuela as well. The Venezuelans themselves.
My politics are pretty much humanist-based.
We probably disagree on what is polarizing Venezuela (you: Chavez; me: the School of Old Money), however, i prefer to look at what is unifying Venezuela as well. The Venezuelans themselves.
If you stated that correctly it would say,
"Gue, no, your support of Chavez is conveyed in your posts."
And to that I would say, "well, jlew, you have an interesting perspective on this matter. What again is the subject of this topic? Is it the outing of Chavez supporters? or is it about the intent of Venezuela's education system?"
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no, i wasn't. not until high school at best. even then it was mentioned dismissively and in passing.
you seem to think it is a bad thing when venezuela does it.
i was taught that.
where did you go to school?
???????????????? Did we have a communication breakdown?
I was stating that education should be more comprehensive than what Chavez is proposing. The Bolivarian system has shown extremely poor results and yet since it fits their ideological agenda they want to make it mandadoty for all schools. That's my problem! I think public schooling should be significantly improved, otherwise how can one reduce inequalities?
I said I don't mind if they teach Marxism as long as they teach Capitalism. That's what I was trying to convey, you have to provide more, not fewer options.
whenever you'd like to debate something, let me know. otherwise, how about you stop with the personal attacks?
I was taught to understand what communism and socialism are. not forced to follow it. like chavez is doing.
dont worry about it
exactly what I'm trying to prove here. thank you Caterina
that's the point... why should 10 year old venezuelan kids be taught very early about government complexities. sounds to me like it's just rah rah patriotism like what we have. we celebrate thanksgiving and columbus day and say the pledge and learn that anyone with a dream can pursue it, they celebrate revolutionaries and learn in their society that everyone is equal. doesn't seem outrageous to me.
my grade school did kinda suck though
we arent only taught way thing. one way of learning. they are.
I mght be going out on a limb here but I dont see chavez teaching about capitalism and free choices.
How many years did it take for Venezuela to become one of the most disparate economic systems in the free world? That upper crust you hold in such high regard, and which you are from has no interest in raising the standard of living and education in that country. If you are so concerned about it, why aren't you there enjoined in the grassroots organizations that are taking place now like never before? Chavez is allowing this sort of organization among the poor that was never given a chance before, screw the Institutions of control you hold in such esteem. They failed Venezuela miserably, and there is no need to bring them back again now.
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...and it's very naive of you to think that this boils down to a socialist vs capitalist point of view.
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¿What do you mean by disparate economy? What upper crost I hold in such high regard? I've always been very critical about many of the members of the opposition. I think you've got me totally wrong. I'm not rich and I've never been. I come from a very hard working familiy and I'd like to think I'm following my parent's example in my field (poverty reduction and democratic governance). Nevertheless, I'm fully aware that I was very lucky 'cause I was born in a middle class family, I don't take it for granted at all.
You are just reading what you want to in my posts. I'm all for an improvement of Venezuela's public education. That's where Chavez' energy, monetary resources and proposals should focus. I'm advocating for the same thing. That's why I find useless to impose a very flawed system to the private schools, that's will lower the standards intsead of raising them. I want public schools in Venezuela and everywhere, for that matter, to improve.
Why am I not currently living in Venezuela? Well, for plenty of reasons that are none of your business. About my work, I fully believe in the organization I work for: the UN.
I'm gonna go out on a limp and state that prior to Chavez you knew nothing about Venezuela, yet you defend it so vehemently. Why don't you go and work at one of the Misiones? How dare you critize me for not working in a grassroot organization in Venezuela? I've always been respectful.
Yes I'm very naive, I have absolutely no idea. Thank you for enlightening me.
Whatever, I'm done, there no use...
Maybe I've taken liberties in my view of how you were raised by, but this is how I get to know where you're coming from. And you're doing the same in return.
I am not defending Chavez. I am defending the right of Venezuelans to choose their own path, as Venezuelans. I'm thinking Chavez may have more of an understanding on how this works than he is given credit for.
You are thinking in the small, you are thinking in immediate results. I understand that the Bolivarian education system now is one strongly focused of Patriotism, unity and of grass roots organization. It is vital that Venezuela be united, is it not? The political divisions you speak of are not of Chavez's doing, but of the Old Money trying desperately to maintain control. They want to maintain that control so badly they will do and say anything they think will put a chink in the armor of a new Venezuela becoming.
Now I'll take another liberty in getting to understand you.
I'm sensing some monotheistic influence in your being.
Am I correct?
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Caterina, you are so transparently "anti-chavez." You take that attitude as though I am a die-hard chavez supporter, and that defeats you.
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Wrong again
Cool.
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but you are supporting what Chavez is doing regarding taking over the school system, correct?
I'm well aware there isn't enough oil to produce the revenue of what Chavez wants to accomplish in his vision for the next hundred years. I'm also aware that Chavez has been somewhat careless in his dealings with the banks.
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why? seems you dont have a clear understanding as to what chavez is doing. caterina does.
I'm not defeated, I only get defeated on tennis courts. I'm only slighlty bothered by you treating me as naive, spoiled-rich-brat, unrational-montheist, etc, etc. Have I ever tried to hide my dislike for Chavez? Didn't think so.
Actually I don't think it is your business, but these are some facts about me: I'm a secular, 34 yeard old economist with a Mg. in Economics and Public Policy. I'm a non practicing-Catholic married to a non-practicing Jew. I have no political affiliation whatsoever, although I consider myself a social-democrat. With strong emphasis in the democrat part.
I think he is trying to unify Venezuela. Maybe he's going about it in a belligerent way, but he's a politician. What do you expect?
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I wasn't aiming to dislike you. I appreciate your insights from that part of the world, I do.
Your politics leave something to be desired, to me. But, more the opportunity for good debate.
Now don't you go disappearing.
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so why support a belligerent politician?
Hmmm. There ya go again. I don't vote in Venezuela, so any "support" you see is perceived only by you.
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no, its perceived in your posts.
If you're not aiming to me disliking you, perhaps you could try to be more respectul and stop making assumptions about me.
My politics leave something to be desired??? This is funny, I gotta admit.
I don't agree with you, yet I don't think there's nothing to be desired about your politics. You're fully entitled to believe whatever you want to. Anyway, it would be good for you to go to Venezuela and see for yourself. You'll find that plenty of what you read it's not that accurate, especially in the unifying deparment. The polarization of Venezuela's society has reached unparalleled levels. There's consesus about this among sociologist, political scientists, regardless of their ideology. Where did you get that he was trying to unite the country? He's doing quite the opposite and in a very succesful way, I might add. Go and visit Caracas and you'll see how an entire city is divided in "for/against". Neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, sports clubs, shopping malls, everything even taxis!!!!!
My politics are pretty much humanist-based.
We probably disagree on what is polarizing Venezuela (you: Chavez; me: the School of Old Money), however, i prefer to look at what is unifying Venezuela as well. The Venezuelans themselves.
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amazing to me how you really dont get it.
If you stated that correctly it would say,
"Gue, no, your support of Chavez is conveyed in your posts."
And to that I would say, "well, jlew, you have an interesting perspective on this matter. What again is the subject of this topic? Is it the outing of Chavez supporters? or is it about the intent of Venezuela's education system?"
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Get what, Jlew?
My best guess would be that you're thinking in terms of Good vs. Evil.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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