Joe Horn and Texas Law

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

maybe you're one of those people who don't have any feelings. you surely aren't an attorney because you'd know that his reaction was based on what he saw and what he believed. he didn't have to wait and see if she was being raped nor did he have to wait for clairification. our justice system is based on an imaginary reasonable person. that person is represented by 12 jurors. decisions are based on what that imaginary reasonable person whould do; or how they would have reacted.
the decision was that a reasonable person would have reacted just as he did.
the civil case against him was thrown out even though the guy was paralysed. he acted appropriately to the situation.

was she being raped?

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

To be honest OLS I've already got a plan for that should it happen and I probably won't need a gun.
We have plenty of illegal guns and plenty of organized crime. Specially here in Melbourne. Our Gangland murders are starting to rival Chicagee in the 20s!

most of america in the 1920's believed we were now a civilized society and didn't need guns. gun ownership after WWI dropped dramatically. it was then the criminals took over.

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

most of america in the 1920's believed we were now a civilized society and didn't need guns. gun ownership after WWI dropped dramatically. it was then the criminals took over.

Well the Gangland fellas here are more interested in taking each other out than the rest of the general population. Not to mention that most of them have been locked up now anyway.

Prohibition probably had a lot to do with the environment that developed in Chicago in the 20s too.

mookie9999

onelongsong wrote:

maybe you're one of those people who don't have any feelings. you surely aren't an attorney because you'd know that his reaction was based on what he saw and what he believed. he didn't have to wait and see if she was being raped nor did he have to wait for clairification. our justice system is based on an imaginary reasonable person. that person is represented by 12 jurors. decisions are based on what that imaginary reasonable person whould do; or how they would have reacted.
the decision was that a reasonable person would have reacted just as he did.
the civil case against him was thrown out even though the guy was paralysed. he acted appropriately to the situation.

One of my cousins hid in a closet when he thought his girlfriend of 11 years was cheating on him. He caught her in the act, busted through the closest, and beat the shit out of the guy (didn't paralyze him though). I guess he should have claimed that he thought she was being raped and he would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist. What was the first clue to your buddy that she wasn't in fact being raped? When she told him to stop beating on her "rapist" or prior to his discovery when she was calling out in ectasy?

fanch75

mookie9999 wrote:

One of my cousins hid in a closet when he thought his girlfriend of 11 years was cheating on him. He caught her in the act, busted through the closest, and beat the shit out of the guy (didn't paralyze him though). I guess he should have claimed that he thought she was being raped and he would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist. What was the first clue to your buddy that she wasn't in fact being raped? When she told him to stop beating on her "rapist" or prior to his discovery when she was calling out in ectasy?

Did the guy sue your cousin for beating the hell out of him? What happened?

mookie9999

fanch75 wrote:

Did the guy sue your cousin for beating the hell out of him? What happened?

I know he served some time. I'm not sure if he was sued or not. This cousin of mine and I aren't very close. He's quite the hothead. I remember another incident where he beat up a guy who was trying to pick him up in a bar. My cousin first explained to him that he wasn't gay. The guy persisted, and my cousin beat the shit out of him and was arrested again. My cousin is quite the idiot.

onelongsong

mookie9999 wrote:

One of my cousins hid in a closet when he thought his girlfriend of 11 years was cheating on him. He caught her in the act, busted through the closest, and beat the shit out of the guy (didn't paralyze him though). I guess he should have claimed that he thought she was being raped and he would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist. What was the first clue to your buddy that she wasn't in fact being raped? When she told him to stop beating on her "rapist" or prior to his discovery when she was calling out in ectasy?

that's clearly premeditated. my friend had no clue. 2 weeks prior i was their daughters Godfather (christening) and 2 days prior he showed me an expensive watch she bought him. our families were close enough that we'd stay at eachothers houses.
i'm not sure you've ever seen a fight. although she ran out of the room; greg said all he heard was bones and teeth breaking. he wasn't charged with injuring the police because they didn't identify themselves. she let them in and they ran into the bedroom. greg's rage was centered on killing the guy (bill) and thus wasn't mentally aware of what was going on around him. bill was badly deformed.

onelongsong

mookie9999 wrote:

I know he served some time. I'm not sure if he was sued or not. This cousin of mine and I aren't very close. He's quite the hothead. I remember another incident where he beat up a guy who was trying to pick him up in a bar. My cousin first explained to him that he wasn't gay. The guy persisted, and my cousin beat the shit out of him and was arrested again. My cousin is quite the idiot.

he should have used the "crime of passion" defence. unless he had a history of violence. greg didn't even have a parking ticket against him.

mookie9999

onelongsong wrote:

he should have used the "crime of passion" defence. unless he had a history of violence. greg didn't even have a parking ticket against him.

It should be added that my cousin is a veteran of the first Iraq war. Not that should excuse his behavior, but I know it messed up his head pretty bad.

Sludge Factory

onelongsong wrote:

that's clearly premeditated. my friend had no clue. 2 weeks prior i was their daughters Godfather (christening) and 2 days prior he showed me an expensive watch she bought him. our families were close enough that we'd stay at eachothers houses.
i'm not sure you've ever seen a fight. although she ran out of the room; greg said all he heard was bones and teeth breaking. he wasn't charged with injuring the police because they didn't identify themselves. she let them in and they ran into the bedroom. greg's rage was centered on killing the guy (bill) and thus wasn't mentally aware of what was going on around him. bill was badly deformed.

I know that there is something in the law that allows for this to happen. I don't claim to be extremely educated in the ways of the law, but I did have to take a business law course in college and I know for a fact we covered a case where there were two roomates. One roomate had an old buddy surprise visit him (normally they would mock beat each other up whenever they got together). Well, it just so happens that old buddy and roomie were doing just that when the other roomate who didn't know old buddy heard the commotion, saw what was going on, and then proceeded to beat old buddy dead with a baseball bat. He wasn't convicted of anything as he was fearing for the safety of his roomate and sincerly thought it was a criminal who was really beating up his roomate.

I'm sure he felt like shit for a very long time, though.

Jeanie

mookie9999 wrote:

It should be added that my cousin is a veteran of the first Iraq war. Not that should excuse his behavior, but I know it messed up his head pretty bad.

That's a very valid reason. I'm not sure I believe in excuses. In that everyone has a reason for their motivation to do something it's just that other people may not understand the validity of the reasoning.

onelongsong

Sludge Factory wrote:

I know that there is something in the law that allows for this to happen. I don't claim to be extremely educated in the ways of the law, but I did have to take a business law course in college and I know for a fact we covered a case where there were two roomates. One roomate had an old buddy surprise visit him (normally they would mock beat each other up whenever they got together). Well, it just so happens that old buddy and roomie were doing just that when the other roomate who didn't know old buddy heard the commotion, saw what was going on, and then proceeded to beat old buddy dead with a baseball bat. He wasn't convicted of anything as he was fearing for the safety of his roomate and sincerly thought it was a criminal who was really beating up his roomate.

I'm sure he felt like shit for a very long time, though.

it does happen. and he couldn't be sued for wrongful death because it wasn't wrongful. it was an honest mistake and that "reasonable" person would have acted the same.
i'm sure it will haunt him the rest of his life. the reason police have you face away is in case they have to shoot you. for many; if you look someone in the eyes; and kill them; they see those eyes in their sleep. sounds crazy but it happens.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

that's clearly premeditated. my friend had no clue. 2 weeks prior i was their daughters Godfather (christening) and 2 days prior he showed me an expensive watch she bought him. our families were close enough that we'd stay at eachothers houses.
i'm not sure you've ever seen a fight. although she ran out of the room; greg said all he heard was bones and teeth breaking. he wasn't charged with injuring the police because they didn't identify themselves. she let them in and they ran into the bedroom. greg's rage was centered on killing the guy (bill) and thus wasn't mentally aware of what was going on around him. bill was badly deformed.

was she being raped?

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

was she being raped?

it wasn't relevent to the case. do you have a learning disorder?

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

it wasn't relevent to the case. do you have a learning disorder?

did i say it was relevant to the case? was she raped? or cheating?

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

did i say it was relevant to the case? was she raped? or cheating?

He's already said she was cheating. Did you miss it?

soulsinging

Jeanie wrote:

He's already said she was cheating. Did you miss it?

apparently. becos all he has offered is rationalizations for how he got off the hook and what his buddy supposedly believed. im curious what was actually happening.

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

He's already said she was cheating. Did you miss it?

i don't know for sure love. i assumed it because she didn't show up in court. after the incident; i never saw her again. when i'd see my God-daughter; she'd have someone else drop her off. greg never really knew either.
it's actually my fault. greg worked for me and i gave him the afternoon off to make his wife a special dinner for her birthday. she was suppose to be at work and he got home 3 or 4 hours early. i saw bill a few times after that but i never talked to him. someone told me he wished that greg had killed him. he really got messed up. i guess there are some things worse than death.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

i don't know for sure love. i assumed it because she didn't show up in court. after the incident; i never saw her again. when i'd see my God-daughter; she'd have someone else drop her off. greg never really knew either.
it's actually my fault. greg worked for me and i gave him the afternoon off to make his wife a special dinner for her birthday. she was suppose to be at work and he got home 3 or 4 hours early. i saw bill a few times after that but i never talked to him. someone told me he wished that greg had killed him. he really got messed up. i guess there are some things worse than death.

so let me get this straight. these burglars take a few things from someone's house and nobody gets hurt, and they deserve to die at joe horn's hands. your friend cripples an innocent man for life in an assault and battery, and he doesn't even deserve an hour in jail. do i have that correct?

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

apparently. becos all he has offered is rationalizations for how he got off the hook and what his buddy supposedly believed. im curious what was actually happening.

Well it seems to me that you have a reading comprehension problem when it comes to his posts in this thread because I'm not having any difficulty grasping what he's saying. Just an observation. You don't think you are viewing it with preconcieved notions in your head? I'm just finding it interesting that you don't seem to be understanding what he's said at all. And you're the lawyer to be.