Joe Horn and Texas Law

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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    I hope that Horn guy said, "By God, I'll learn ye a damn good'un!!" before shooting the guy. That woulda ruled!
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    they've got a good program.

    http://www.azcorrections.gov/adc/prisons/kingman1.asp

    interesting. it's a substance abuse only prison? makes sense if you're going to have drug courts to have drug prisons. i still think it would be a good idea to try rehab BEFORE making your son a convicted felon for life though. isn't that what ruined your friend's life forever?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    interesting. it's a substance abuse only prison? makes sense if you're going to have drug courts to have drug prisons. i still think it would be a good idea to try rehab BEFORE making your son a convicted felon for life though. isn't that what ruined your friend's life forever?

    i sent him to a boot camp first. it was only 30 days and meth addicts need 45 days.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    interesting. it's a substance abuse only prison? makes sense if you're going to have drug courts to have drug prisons. i still think it would be a good idea to try rehab BEFORE making your son a convicted felon for life though. isn't that what ruined your friend's life forever?

    my friend was in a federal prison. if you want the whole story;
    a few months earlier he got off work early and found his wife in bed with some bloke. the guy was in ICU for weeks and will have to stay in a wheelchair the rest of his life. he also beat the hell out of 5 cops trying to subdue him (in 1989. no tazers etc) and put 2 of them in the hospital.
    he plead to a felony and got time served because it was a crime of passion.
    then he had to plea to burglery that he didn't do.
    under those circumstances then being put in a prison where you constantly had to fight to keep from being raped; it messed him up bad.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    i sent him to a boot camp first. it was only 30 days and meth addicts need 45 days.

    once again, what does a drill sergeant know about treating addiction?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    my friend was in a federal prison. if you want the whole story;
    a few months earlier he got off work early and found his wife in bed with some bloke. the guy was in ICU for weeks and will have to stay in a wheelchair the rest of his life. he also beat the hell out of 5 cops trying to subdue him (in 1989. no tazers etc) and put 2 of them in the hospital.
    he plead to a felony and got time served because it was a crime of passion.
    then he had to plea to burglery that he didn't do.
    under those circumstances then being put in a prison where you constantly had to fight to keep from being raped; it messed him up bad.

    ah, so it WASN'T just the conviction itself that ruined his life eh?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    ah, so it WASN'T just the conviction itself that ruined his life eh?

    it never is. it's the entire situation.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    it never is. it's the entire situation.

    how interesting.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4967587&postcount=44

    "you say stealing is not worth a human life yet we take that life when we put someone in prison. car theft gets you 5 to 10. after 10 years of isolation; how does one get out and resume life? especially with background checks being so common."

    and here i thought being an ex-con was the same as being dead. you could have done your nephew a favor and shot him like horn did the thieves. it's the same as making him a felon, right?
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    onelongsong wrote:
    i sent him to a boot camp first. it was only 30 days and meth addicts need 45 days.

    45 days? Yikes. Meth must be some nasty shit. 45 days makes alcoholics look like pussies for complaining about their 1 to 2 weeks of withdrawal.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    fanch75 wrote:
    45 days? Yikes. Meth must be some nasty shit. 45 days makes alcoholics look like pussies for complaining about their 1 to 2 weeks of withdrawal.

    Meth addiction really doesn't every go away for many. People will be craving it years after they have been clean. Sometimes someone could go 3 or 4 years clean only to fall off the wagon again.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    how interesting.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4967587&postcount=44

    "you say stealing is not worth a human life yet we take that life when we put someone in prison. car theft gets you 5 to 10. after 10 years of isolation; how does one get out and resume life? especially with background checks being so common."

    and here i thought a felony conviction inevitably ended someone's life and they were better off dead than an ex-con.

    so you misunderstood. that's ok. some people are slower. let me explain it a different way. 5 years after moving here; i went back to visit. i didn't recognise the place. it was like i've never been there before. thant's what it's like coming out of prison. you're dropped in a world you don't recognise; with technology you know nothing about. you try to get a job but even mcdonalds does background checks so you go back to a life of crime.

    does that explain it better?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Meth addiction really doesn't every go away for many. People will be craving it years after they have been clean. Sometimes someone could go 3 or 4 years clean only to fall off the wagon again.

    i have a friend that's a nurse in a dialisis center and she said it could stay in the fat for decades.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    so you misunderstood. that's ok. some people are slower. let me explain it a different way. 5 years after moving here; i went back to visit. i didn't recognise the place. it was like i've never been there before. thant's what it's like coming out of prison. you're dropped in a world you don't recognise; with technology you know nothing about. you try to get a job but even mcdonalds does background checks so you go back to a life of crime.

    does that explain it better?

    no. becos you still don't explain how the difficult transition to life outside prison is the same or even comparable to shooting them to death. which was the comparison you made.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    no. becos you still don't explain how the difficult transition to life outside prison is the same or even comparable to shooting them to death. which was the comparison you made.

    b/c i don't have any tollerance for criminals. i'd rather see them dead.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    So I'd like to know HOW people think we could change this or fix this?

    Seems to me that there's been an awful lot of emotive language and a whole bunch of understanding for dead burglars and not so much understanding for a guy that shot them seemingly within the law of his state.

    I'm just wondering how people here expect this to change given that seemingly the only thing they are prepared to do is condemn Horn, (even though they don't know him) and seemingly the whole state of Texas (and it's not possible to know ALL of them.) I just can't see that working somehow. So any body got any bright ideas?

    Just whinging and denouncing Horn that's easy to do. If everyone is as big a pacifist as they profess to be then seems odd to me the reaction of some people.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    b/c i don't have any tollerance for criminals. i'd rather see them dead.

    then why didn't you kill your ciminal drug addict son?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    then why didn't you kill your ciminal drug addict son?

    addictions are an illness. prior to my getting custody of my kids; their mother messed them up bad. in fact; CPS removed them from her home because of abuse. the oldest spent 2 months in cottonwood.

    however; living where i do; if my son had broken into somebody's house or tried to rob somebody; i would expect him to get shot and i wouldn't cry over it saying it wasn't justified.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    onelongsong wrote:
    addictions are an illness. prior to my getting custody of my kids; their mother messed them up bad. in fact; CPS removed them from her home because of abuse. the oldest spent 2 months in cottonwood.

    however; living where i do; if my son had broken into somebody's house or tried to rob somebody; i would expect him to get shot and i wouldn't cry over it saying it wasn't justified.

    ah, so you see a difference between the crime of drug possession and robbery? what if horn didn't? who gets to make those calls?
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    onelongsong wrote:
    i have a friend that's a nurse in a dialisis center and she said it could stay in the fat for decades.

    I wouldn't be surprised if that was true. Meth is some of the nastiest stuff around and I fail to understand why many people, who know how bad it is prior to using, try it anyway.

    I know if I had to do drugs Meth would be the one of last ones I picked.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    soulsinging wrote:
    ah, so you see a difference between the crime of drug possession and robbery? what if horn didn't? who gets to make those calls?

    texas says horn gets to.

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