Is it correct that Obama stands for these things?

g under p

PEPPER wrote:

Well...maybe you should care and learn about this one....this is saying if you get an abortion and for some reason the child SURVIVES the abortion and is born alive......he approves for you are allowed to kill the child....no wait, I am sorry...you are allowed to abort it...fucking disgusting

This doesn't make any sense, If you have an abortion the child isn't going to survive unless you know of a case one did?

Peace

cincybearcat

gischick wrote:

Let's force the poorest women to raise kids they don't want. God forbid we give them welfare or health care either. So lame.

Yeah, cause that's what the argument is all about...please, so lame indeed.

catch22

i'm all for free speech, but i think abortion debates should be outlawed. they make normally sane people act like fucking morons.

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PEPPER wrote:

Don't worry I know this...I posted it yesterday before the fight...then the apology......a partial birth is done in the 3rd and final trimester...a time when the baby has a 98% survival rate...it has a functioning heart beat, responds to sounds and light....Obama and many other people believe it is ok to deliver this baby 80% out of the womb (deliver) jab a tube in the back of the heard and suck the brains out.....how can this be OK.....we treat criminals on death row better......the debate has always been inside the womb but this child is borm alive

Seriously, from where do you get this stuff???? Given that "partial birth abortion" is not a medical term, the language in the law is such that it applies to many abortions done in the 2nd trimester. Only 1% of abortions are done past 21 weeks anyway, so this procedure counts for less than 1% of abortions. When it is chosen, it's because the doctor feels this is the safest thing to do. This law hasn't banned 3rd trimester abortions - just this particular kind, so now they have to do less safe procedures.

PEPPER wrote:

if a baby can survive outside the mother's womb, how can Obama in his right mind call that a choice and not MURDER?

So I guess it's okay for those babies who couldn't survive outside the womb then?

yosi1

blackredyellow wrote:

A lot of those are totally out of context and worded with such bias, or just plain false.

And these ones below, I can't comprehend how they could be viewed as negatives....

This is exactly what I wanted to say.

"He voted for partial birth abortions"

No. He didn't vote for abortion. He voted for the right to have an abortion. That's a pretty significant difference.

And that's just one example.

decides2dream

NeilJam wrote:

It's amazing how many supposedly patriotic Americans forget why our forefathers came to this land in the first place, so they wouldn't be forced to follow one state approved religion. That's why we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, so this country wouldn't end up like the one they left. The more religious zealots try to shove their beliefs down my throat, the more I hate that religion.

EXACTLY.


and i keep hearing god brought up - again and again - by politicians. WTF?! why?! it pisses me off no end and has NO business being in a political discussion, or decision-making process. believe as you see fit, but in no way try and have your religious views impact my life or the lives of others.

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PEPPER wrote:

Where are you getting information for when a doctor says it an abortion is needed?

Huh? If a doctor says abortion is needed or that, if the woman chooses to have an abortion, this particular kind of abortion is the safest, that information comes from the doctor - not from politicians.

PEPPER wrote:

So how will this child not survive outside the womb.

This ban does not just cover fetuses that are viable outside the womb. It also covers fetuses that are not viable.

meistereder

decides2dream wrote:

EXACTLY.


and i keep hearing god brought up - again and again - by politicians. WTF?! why?! it pisses me off no end and has NO business being in a political discussion, or decision-making process. believe as you see fit, but in no way try and have your religious views impact my life or the lives of others.

It really changed when the Evangelicals took over the GOP.

Anyone catch the prayer before and after the GOP convention? It was Christ-specific. The whole time, I am thinking to myself "How is it even possible that there are Republican Jews?"

This is one of the reasons we have separation of church and state. By having government sanction one religion -- even in something like an official prayer -- you are alienating all other religions, not to mention atheists and agnostics, who have equal rights. It's a scary trend.

Solat13

meistereder wrote:

It really changed when the Evangelicals took over the GOP.

Anyone catch the prayer before and after the GOP convention? It was Christ-specific. The whole time, I am thinking to myself "How is it even possible that there are Republican Jews?"

This is one of the reasons we have separation of church and state. By having government sanction one religion -- even in something like an official prayer -- you are alienating all other religions, not to mention atheists and agnostics, who have equal rights. It's a scary trend.

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

The opening and closing of the inaugural address by that noted hero of the right JFK.

If a Republican ever said anything like that today they would be crucified by the media.

decides2dream

meistereder wrote:

It really changed when the Evangelicals took over the GOP.

Anyone catch the prayer before and after the GOP convention? It was Christ-specific. The whole time, I am thinking to myself "How is it even possible that there are Republican Jews?"

This is one of the reasons we have separation of church and state. By having government sanction one religion -- even in something like an official prayer -- you are alienating all other religions, not to mention atheists and agnostics, who have equal rights. It's a scary trend.

absofuckinglutely!
and beyond wrong imho as well.


religion should have ZERO part of government. period.


i do not want to hear about your beliefs, or lack thereof...i do not want to hear mention of a god.....i certainly do NOT want to hear how our unjust war in iraq is a 'task of god' :rolleyes: as some sort of justification b/c wtf? are the iraqi's godless heathens? and even if they were, where is the right?! and what does it all say about US, as a nation....that we support and condone this seperatist agenda....? it seriously pisses me off!



so i say a big fat HELL YES to obama, or anyone being FOR the seperation of church and state! tis EXACTLY as it should be...and i would truly LOVE to see it fully enacted! keep your religion out of laws and decisions for all.


solat13 - JFK can leave his god to himself as well.
and doncha mean hero of the left?

meistereder

Solat13 wrote:

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

The opening and closing of the inaugural address by that noted hero of the right JFK.

If a Republican ever said anything like that today they would be crucified by the media.

Yeah, democrats have had to pander to religion too, sadly. But comparing them to republicans is apples and rosaries.

catch22

Solat13 wrote:

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

The opening and closing of the inaugural address by that noted hero of the right JFK.

If a Republican ever said anything like that today they would be crucified by the media.

rightly so. and you know why jfk said it? because people were crucifying him for being a catholic. it wasn't offered in support of christian government. hell, he was almost shut out of government because he wasn't the right kind of christian!

Jeremy1012

acoustic guy wrote:

Obama supporters, please let me know if these are true or false.
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:

· He voted for partial birth abortion.

· Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government (quotas)..
· Admitted his use of marijuana and cocaine in20high school and in college.
· His religious convictions are very murky.
· He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
· Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with Muslim nations. Why?
· Opposed the Patriot Act.
· Voted to allow law suits against gun manufacturers.
· Supports universal health-care.
· Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
· Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
· Voted yes on compre hensive immigration reform.
· Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'
· Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.

These are bad things?

Cuntified C

I'm not American, but if I was I would probably WANT to vote for someone who has some of those views! The rest, I kinda don't care about.
What about Sarah Palin, who is a mother to an under age, teenage mother to be?

LONGRD

acoustic guy wrote:

For the record, I did not make up the list. I could give two shits if Obama did drugs. I sure as hell used to and so did many many others who are in office.
(1)I do have a problem with giving Legal American privileges to Illegal Aliens. To hell with that shit.
(2)I don't think we should take out "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.
And I think we should be able to put up a fucking Christmas tree in the town hall if we fucking want to. and if their is a Santa and a manger.....So the fuck what?

So those two subjects are your biggest concerns?

Yikes!

LONGRD

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:

I agree with you on that one...very good point.

Accoustic.

I think that giving an immigrant a drivers license is a good thing as it will give them more options to get a job (they can apply at further away places) so they can BECOME LEGAL.
I don't like the idea of giving welfare to someone who just arrived here..well unless they are a refugee and it was leave or die. I will never say I'd rather someone die then give some of my money to lend a hand.
BUT those coming over here looking for a better life but not in danger in their homeland...thats totally different. I feel they should have a job lined up and a little bit of money in their pockets...don't come here expecting US to support YOU.

Sadly though I think they can get welfare in my country. Not 100% sure though.

As far as war refugee immigrants are concern, usually they are sponsored by a Christian family or a church group from the city they're migratng into. They provided with housing assistance and welfare support within a certain timeframe but they also must attend local community services such as a church or alternative/adult English classes.

From my family's experience, this procedure lasted about 2-3 years and then we were on our own.

I can't speak about illegal immigrants but as far as legal immigrants are concern, this article provide the real truth about our impact in the U.S. economy and to native-born Americans. Also has some bits and pieces on education and crime rates.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/cea_immigration_062007.html
It's from the official White House's Web site.

ForestBrain

Anybody who thinks partial birth abortion is okay and votes for it to be allowed needs to have the same thing happen to them. I'm not a violent person, but I think it's deserved.

cincybearcat

Jeremy1012 wrote:

These are bad things?

Yes....some of them are very bad indeed.

PJMEMama

you know, unless you or someone close to you has had to face the agonizing situation of dealing with severe birth defects, such as my friend whose baby was developing without a functioning brain or limbs, I think you need to back the hell off. You make it sound like people are enjoying it. It is a horrible situation, and the decisions that must be made decisions made are up to the family, not the government. Period. Not unlike Terri Shiavo. Have you heard the song Comatose? Yeah...

Number two: this country exists because we insisted on separation of church and state, which is the same thing as religious freedom (hello!), and core principles like habeas corpus. I cringe to think that people advocate abandonment of these fundamental principles that are at the very foundation of our country. I love our country. Religious freedom, personal freedom, and government accountability are big reasons why.

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PJMEMama wrote:

you know, unless you or someone close to you has had to face the agonizing situation of dealing with severe birth defects, such as my friend whose baby was developing without a functioning brain or limbs, I think you need to back the hell off. You make it sound like people are enjoying it. It is a horrible situation, and the decisions that must be made decisions made are up to the family, not the government. Period. Not unlike Terri Shiavo. Have you heard the song Comatose? Yeah...

Number two: this country exists because we insisted on separation of church and state, which is the same thing as religious freedom (hello!), and core principles like habeas corpus. I cringe to think that people advocate abandonment of these fundamental principles that are at the very foundation of our country. I love our country. Religious freedom, personal freedom, and government accountability are big reasons why.

EXACTLY!