I 'm confused on what you all think?

Pegasus

nevermind..you probably know..

but imagine for a second:

you're, through no choice of yours, born in a country where it's overpopulated, there's sky high unemployment, your children have little chance of bettering themselves through education, you might even be starving.
then right next door (or even furtehr, at that point you don't care), there's this big country with lots of space that permanently advertise to the world that they're the best, the richest, the freer, etc..

what would YOU do?

you might consider you being American is just cheer dumb luck and your ancestors were all illegal immigrants anyway (most Native Americans didn't give them permission to come and still their lands)

Most people given the choice would rather stay in their country..they don't have a choice to speak of though..

dunkman

Saturnal wrote:

Ever hear of the war of 1812?

hear of it no.. read about it... mmm probably.

anything more recent? anything that would necessitate the worlds largest mobile military force? is it to stop chicken farmers from Cancun?

onelongsong

Pegasus wrote:

I just waited for that one!
SoonForgotten lives here but he's American

then he should know better.

onelongsong

TheVoiceInside wrote:

No man, why should I care im Puertorican. But here from a distance its pretty clear the attitude of some people. And I can also somewhat understand their point of view. I mean if suddenly my island was overwhelmed by chineese I would be worried and felt that if we dont do something we are going to loose our heritage, culture, and language. But what people fail to see is that all those immigrants who are going to america is becuase of the the economic policies created by the goverment. Believe me that if these people could stay i their countries they would. They are leaving for a reason. Jobs and $$$$$$$$. The question then should be why are ther no jobs or real wages in these countries. Start from there and see what policies can the goverment change or implement to help these countries build solid economies so that people wont leave.

that's a question for el presidente who pockets mexicos wealth and leaves his people to starve.

Thecure

onelongsong wrote:

if we're throwing out the laws; i can make about $6,000 a week selling pot. no need to report that income cuz we're throwing out the laws.

if we are throwing out the laws, i will shoot you for your $6,000 a week and shoot the other guy for the pot.

Pegasus

Saturnal wrote:

Ever hear of the war of 1812?

you mean the one that America DECLARED against the UK?
the one where they invaded Canada?

onelongsong

Pegasus wrote:

you mean the one that America DECLARED against the UK?

we declared war on the uk but they came here to fight???

callen

Thecure wrote:

but is he a legal immigrant?

ask an American Indian that question

Thecure

Pegasus wrote:

nevermind..you probably know..

but imagine for a second:

you're, through no choice of yours, born in a country where it's overpopulated, there's sky high unemployment, your children have little chance of bettering themselves through education, you might even be starving.
then right next door (or even furtehr, at that point you don't care), there's this big country with lots of space that permanently advertise to the world that they're the best, the richest, the freer, etc..

what would YOU do?

you might consider you being American is just cheer dumb luck and your ancestors were all illegal immigrants anyway (most Native Americans didn't give them permission to come and still their lands)

i do not blame the people for wanting to go to anorther country, but you can't also blame the counrty for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?

onelongsong

Thecure wrote:

if we are throwing out the laws, i will shoot you for your $6,000 a week and shoot the other guy for the pot.

and thus the violence illegal immigration causes.

callen

Thecure wrote:

i do not blame the people for wanting to go to anorther country, but you can't also blame the counrty for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?

Your family just a few generations ago did just that...are you more "special"? I think not.

Thecure

callen wrote:

ask an American Indian that question

i agree, but we can't go back to where we were then. we have seperated things into legal and illegal. my concern is that we seem to be picking and choosing what laws can and can't be broken. thats's a problem.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

dunkman wrote:

is it to stop chicken farmers from Cancun?

No, we use CIA proxy armies for that

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

i lock my door out of fear.. as do you... fear of my kids being abducted, fear of someone taking all my posessions, fear of onelongsong wheezing into my house and shooting my goldfish.

you wear a seatbelt because 1. its a law and 2. i have a fear of plummeting through a window..

i didnt say i have no fears... but america seems to have more GRANDER fears.. terrorists for instance... you had one lethal attack, granted it was a monumental one... the UK has had hundereds.. and yet i have no fear of terrorism..

i don't lock my doors; i leave the keys in my truck; and i don't live in fear of anyone or anything.

Pegasus

Thecure wrote:

i do not blame the people for wanting to go to another country, but you can't also blame the country for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?

thing is they're not taking from you.. they stay in the garden shed in exchange for doing all the dirty work around the house.

if you don't want them in the shed, a) stop shouting so loudly how rich you are b) pay them decently for the work they do for you in their own home c) pressure their landlord to charge them a fair rent

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

i don't lock my doors; i leave the keys in my truck; and i don't live in fear of anyone or anything.

then why do you have lots of guns?

onelongsong

Thecure wrote:

i agree, but we can't go back to where we were then. we have seperated things into legal and illegal. my concern is that we seem to be picking and choosing what laws can and can't be broken. thats's a problem.

and that's been my entire argument.

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

then why do you have lots of guns?

i was a gunsmith for 6 years. i like my collection. from old black powder guns to the guns i made myself.

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

i was a gunsmith for 6 years. i like my collection. from old black powder guns to the guns i made myself.

thats nice.. i collect music cd's, but why do you have guns?

mammasan

onelongsong wrote:

and thus the violence illegal immigration causes.

Well considering that only 6.4%, as of 2005, of the inmates in state and federal prison are illegal aliens I would think that we have more to fear from our own citizens then from illegal aliens.